Chronicles of Ukrainian Nazism

a reply to: Grenade

If those ethnic Russians are being oppressed and targeted in those regions as some reporting suggests would you then consider the invasion as merited?

Categorically No.

If they were then Putin should have used other diplomatic and economic means to put a stop to the 'oppression'.
Evidence should have been presented to the international community and he should have worked alongside organisations like the UN/EU/G8-G7 etc to redress the situation.
Economic sanctions would have been a good starting point.

Obviously there were failings by other governments who should not have isolated Russia so easily.

I have no problems with Putin outing the hypocrisy and double standards of NATO and its aligned nations and if a referendum was warranted in the disputed Donbas region it should have been independently monitored noting any intimidation and irregularities.
That would have at least given the result some validity and credibility.

In my mind there was no excuse for the invasion and the subsequent bombing and killing.
And Putin's varied attempts at justifying it has been at least the equal of anything offered up by 'The West' in the past....and equally hypocritical.

I know I'm being guilty of repeating myself over and over again here but Putin is the person who ordered this invasion and he is the one man who could put an immediate stop to the killing - but he chooses not to.
That is down to Putin and no-one else.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
But to be honest, our government in it's present state, is no better than that of the USSR. And Russia knows the truth of this condition better than we do, generally.

Did you ever go to Russia when it was the USSR, if you did you wouldn't be making this statement.

originally posted by: Freeborn

I know I'm being guilty of repeating myself over and over again here but Putin is the person who ordered this invasion and he is the one man who could put an immediate stop to the killing - but he chooses not to.
That is down to Putin and no-one else.

He has also threaten other nations and threaten nuclear war if he doesn't get his way. As you said, instead of bank rolling a proxy war for 8 years, maybe put it to the world community instead. People are talking about Russians dying in the east and once again it is Putin driving that bus, the fighting would stop if he stops. How can anyone sit here and see Putin bank roll mercs to fight in the east for 8 years and just say oh those damn Nazis in Ukraine.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Freeborn

I know I'm being guilty of repeating myself over and over again here but Putin is the person who ordered this invasion and he is the one man who could put an immediate stop to the killing - but he chooses not to.
That is down to Putin and no-one else.

He has also threaten other nations and threaten nuclear war if he doesn't get his way. As you said, instead of bank rolling a proxy war for 8 years, maybe put it to the world community instead. People are talking about Russians dying in the east and once again it is Putin driving that bus, the fighting would stop if he stops. How can anyone sit here and see Putin bank roll mercs to fight in the east for 8 years and just say oh those damn Nazis in Ukraine.

Goddamm, it's amazing isn't it.

I don't even know what else to say or add..pretty disappointing.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Even during WWII the Russians were allies,....

Allies by convenience....

A government that no longer exists.

A government Putin and many of his cronies played an active and knowing part in maintaining and one that Putin yearns for.

But to be honest, our government in it's present state, is no better than that of the USSR.

I understand that there are many problems in the USA at present - as there are here in the UK and most other countries - but are you seriously comparing life in the US today with that of Soviet Russia?

If Russia invaded the USA, there would be some in the USA that would be happy about this

I could never, ever support a foreign nation invading my country.
Its shocking and alarming that so many so called defenders of freedom and liberty are so ready to make excuses for a de facto dictator and would support a foreign nation invading their own country.

However, I know enough Americans to believe that those traitors would be massively in the minority.

If people were allowed to know the truth, maybe so, maybe so....

Ok, now's your opportunity.
Please share that truth with us so we too can be so enlightened.
Nothing stopping you from telling us.

a reply to: Freeborn
If it was happening to them, they would start caring..deeply.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I didn't want to make my post overly-long...I have a tendency to waffle on and bore the tits off people.

Putin is the only major leader ever to threaten first strike nuclear weapons....and only because he can't get his own way.
He has tried to hold the world to ransom with the repeated threats and bully his way to his objective.

And as you say, he's bankrolled mercenaries and militia's - most of whom are themselves Neo-Nazi's - into carrying out a campaign of terror, provocation and intimidation throughout the Donbas region.

He has borrowed so much from the Nazi's playbook.

Stephen Fry sums up the conflict rather well.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
The same reason that the USA has spent billions more than Russia funding far left parties in Europe and all over the world.

originally posted by: Freeborn

He has borrowed so much from the Nazi's playbook.

Remember the Jews in Germany, so I need to add...

With the dehumanizing of 40 million by calling everyone not on his side a Nazi there. No one is suggesting Ukraine doesn't have Nazis and that they are not an issue like any Nazi organization anywhere, but Russia caused the Nazi movement there to happen. The Russians were so bad to the people there they looked to the Nazis as their savior. Think about how much of pretty bad sh!t the Russians did to them for them to look to Nazis. The key is that the Russians take a pinch of truth and warp it to something outlandish then run with it. The militarizing of the Ukraine nationalist/Nazis in the east started around 2014 when Putin bank rolled his Nazi mercs who have fought for him all over the world, so Putin is directly to blame for all that just as he is for everything happening today.

Case in point: "We found 30 US bio-weapons labs. We were able to destroy all the lethal samples"

Yes there are bio labs in Ukraine as all other countries have, yes the US has helped them to decommission, retool etc older USSR labs. But they take that and say something crazy that people actually believe. Where are those labs now...lol

We will see it with the whole Nazi thing too that will all kind of just disappear if they take the country.

a reply to: Freeborn

Fair enough, just asking if you think that's justification, not my personal opinion either.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: RussianTroll

There is too much disinformation and suppressed information for me to take a side either way.

That being said, there is a simple way to end this war, Russia withdraws.

I noticed that I'm the one post on the first page you didn't respond to.

Am I wrong?

If Russia withdraws, the conflict would be over, right?

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: RussianTroll

There is too much disinformation and suppressed information for me to take a side either way.

That being said, there is a simple way to end this war, Russia withdraws.

I noticed that I'm the one post on the first page you didn't respond to.

Am I wrong?

If Russia withdraws, the conflict would be over, right?

And what do they have to loose? More nations joining NATO? A few generals? Troops? Naval vessels in a ground war? Might save a few cities and civilians.

But Putin’s doing it for the common good of the Russian citizens? And Ukrainian citizens that lay in streets and mass graves dead?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

LOL, it appears a gaggle of NATO types are holed up in the steel factory in Mariupol. Likely as US 3 star.

Macron has been calling Putin almost daily begging for exit corridors for his Foreign Legion types. Ooops!

a reply to: andy06shake

lets face it if either of our grandfathers were still alive , they'd be raging at the state of the UK not about Russia and Ukraine



this picture of my mother side of the family ,two of my great uncles, my grandfather and my great grandfather
my grand father is 2nd from left William Buckie , he was serving on HMS eagle and was onboard when it was sank by a Uboat he luckily made it back to Scotland otherwise I wouldnt be writing this now

a reply to: sapien82

Considering the implications where a spread of conflict to other nations is concerned sapien82 aka a possible third world war.

I'm apt to believe my grandfather would have been just as concerned regarding Putin's antics and actions in Ukraine in a similar manner as he would be disgusted with the state of affairs in our own nation in this day of age, more so if i had to guesstimate.

Just because they get old don't make them daft buddy.

After all they had a front row seats the regarding the last world war seen it all fall apart first hand.

Props to your grandfather all the same.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Vector99

No, the simple solution is NATO withdrawal. Russia is within its rights to defend itself from its sworn enemy NATO.

This invasion could have been prevented by honest and respectful diplomacy on the part of the NATO group, but they were not interested in honest and respectful diplomacy. They are unable to conduct such negotiations.

What are you talking about? NATO never invaded Russia. So NO NATO does not have to withdraw. The Cold War was over in the 1990s and NATO was no longer "Russia's sworn enemy" as you claim. NATO has not been an enemy for over 30 years. In fact, Russia was free to join NATO if they wanted to after the Cold War ended.

Russia is not protecting its borders from NATO. NATO NEVER set foot in Russia. So NATO has nothing to do with it.

It's a FREE world. And if the Ukraine or Finland or Sweden wants to join NATO then that is up to them. Russia has no right to intervene with the sovereignty of the Ukraine and its decisions. Russia has no right to intervene with the sovereignty of Finland and its decisions. Russia has no right to intervene with Sweden and its sovereignty and decisions.

These are their own countries. They don't belong to Russia. Russia has no say in any other country but itself.

And the Ukraine was never really Russian. Russia just used the Ukraine to steal food from the Ukraine breadbasket and to deport Jews to the Ukraine in the Pale of Settlement for 300 years. Russia never protected Jews from racism for the last 300 years so its ridiculous that they pretend to now.

a reply to: RussianTroll

You know, Russia has not provided any evidence of Nazi control nor Nazi invasion in the Ukraine.

All Russia has done is basically show some pics of militant Nazi skinheads, some which apparently follow orders from Jewish leaders. Last time I checked, if there's a skinhead militant (AZOV) and their commanding officers who they take orders from are Jewish, then its impossible for them to be "Nazis".

There are militant Nazi skinheads in every country around the world. There's militant Nazi skinheads in California, does that give Russia the right to invade? There's militant Nazi skinheads in London, does that give Russia the right to invade? There's even some militant Nazi skinheads in Japan, does that give Russia the right to invade?

No. No. And No. The majority of skinheads are age 14-30 and they outgrow their racist stage. When they do, they spend the rest of their lives mending the wrongs they did in their youth.

Militant Nazi Skinheads age 14-30 aren't considered a big threat to any country and don't really represent true Nazism.

TRUE NAZISM is extermination of races. True Nazism is the use of chemical warfare. True Nazism is the use of biological weapons. Real Nazis kill races off by millions.

Has Putin provided any evidence of Nazis exterminating Jews or other races in the Ukraine in 2022? No. The only Jews to disappear have vanished once the Russians take over a village or city.

Has Putin provided any evidence of Nazi use of chemical weapons on specific races in the Ukraine? No. But Putin keeps making threats of chemical weapon use and may have already used it on Mariupol.

Has Putin provided any evidence of Nazi use of biological weapons on specific races in the Ukraine? No. Putin hasn't even figured out what bioweapons Real Nazis have released on Russia from 1945-present. So if Putin has no evidence of Nazi bioweapon release on the Ukraine and Putin has not been able to prove Nazi bioweapon releases on Russia for the last 77 years after WWIi, then Putin would not know what a real Nazi was if they smacked him in the face.

Instead, Putin has been buying cropseed from Nazis. Putin has been buying medicine from Nazis. And Putin is unable to distinguish farmers from Nazis and Putin is unable to distinguish doctors from Nazis. Sounds like a real identity problem to me. So if Putin cannot distinguish real Nazis from farmers or doctors, then why should anyone believe him when he points the Nazi finger?

Oh wait. I remember now. The Ukraine is being ruled by an elected Jewish President and an elected Jewish Prime Minister and Putin is pointing the finger at Jews elected in the Ukraine and claiming the Ukraine is under "Nazi" control.

Thus, Putin is unable to distinguish the difference between Jews and Nazis??? Or can he? He's probably just using the Nazi excuse to insult all elected Jewish figures around the world.

I guess one of the Nazis in another region of the world (allegedly neutral country) claims that Putin sees his country leader as a "useful idiot." Which means that real Nazis are angry that Putin is using them as a ploy to invade countries with elected Jewish leaders.

Perhaps Real Nazis will find "useful idiots" to release bioweapons in Putin's regime. Afterall, since Putin has not been able to prove any other Nazi bioweapon released in Russia 1945-present there would be no reason to think he could prove it now.

a reply to: MapMistress

Yes, it's a free world, my position for many years.

And Russia is free to destroy threatening enemies on its border. Indeed, for the people of Donbass, Russia is obliged to destroy threatening enemies on its borders.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MapMistress
And Russia is free to destroy threatening enemies on its border. Indeed, for the people of Donbass, Russia is obliged to destroy threatening enemies on its borders.

The region is an important center of coal mining and heavy industries. It looks to me currently rather as if Putin is not really helping, but contributing to destroy the region. At one point, he might deem them not to be useful anymore due to the destruction and simply abandon the region, no matter if there were Nazis, Zombies or none of those...