UK to send armored vehicles to Ukraine

a reply to: gortex

Ok, storage facilities tend to get destroyed during wars.. but why is it the U.S. and UK's etc responsibility to replace their stuff? Ukraine isn't a NATO country. The whole thing sucks, but I just don't think dabbling into a potential WW3 scenario is a good idea. I think we're inching waaay too close.

a reply to: vNex92

Do not play as a victim. Ukraine did not invade to Russia instead Russia invaded to Ukraine. Russia is not listening and has pretty much number zero to all attemps to bring peace to the area.

77 years later and the UK is supporting nazis. Standard for this mad world.

Several reports coming in that UK energy bills are now decreasing as we can use Churchill spinning in his grave as a makeshift dynamo.

originally posted by: baggy7981
77 years later and the UK is supporting nazis. Standard for this mad world.

Several reports coming in that UK energy bills are now decreasing as we can use Churchill spinning in his grave as a makeshift dynamo.

You seen to have misread the news. We are supporting Ukraine not Russia.

a reply to: Wookiep

Ok, storage facilities tend to get destroyed during wars.. but why is it the U.S. and UK's etc responsibility to replace their stuff? Ukraine isn't a NATO country.

Because this isn't just about Ukraine , if we didn't stand by the victims of this aggression we give Putin a green light to do as he pleases and retake any former Soviet country who don't bow to his will , this aggression has to be nipped in the bud and our support is helping to do that.

The whole thing sucks, but I just don't think dabbling into a potential WW3 scenario is a good idea. I think we're inching waaay too close.

I agree but cowering against an aggressor is not an option , I too fear the consequences but sometimes we have to do what is right not what is safest.

The longer this war goes badly for Russia the weaker Putin becomes , the cracks are beginning to show.

While most of Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov's comments were in keeping with the standard Kremlin narrative around Russia's invasion of Ukraine, one remark he made has prompted a degree of shock among many.

"We have suffered significant losses of troops, this is a huge tragedy for us," he told Sky News.

His admission stood in stark contrast to repeated statements from Moscow that have sought to minimise estimations around the number of casualties its forces have suffered.
news.sky.com...

a reply to: gortex

On one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I see it in a perspective from the view of Russia as well. If there were a coalition of countries that surrounded the United States, with military bases, which solely existed to prevent the United States from expanding due to some horrible ideologies that the United States had some 80 years ago...and then that coalition virtually collapsed that form of government in the United States 30 years ago...

Then that same coalition surrounding the United States kept expanding further and further... And our sister state (let's say Alaska) now wanted to join that coalition as well, and was supported by said coalition.. I dunno man. I don't think I'd feel too good about that situation.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: gortex

On one had, I agree with you. On the other hand, I see it in a perspective from the view of Russia as well. If there were a coalition of countries that surrounded the United States, with military bases, which solely existed to prevent the United States from expanding due to some horrible ideologies that the United States had 80 years ago...and then that coalition virtually collapsed that form of government in the United States 30 years ago...

Then that same coalition surrounding the United States kept expanding further and further... And our sister state (let's say Alaska) now wanted to join that coalition as well, and was supported by said coalition.. I dunno man. I don't think I'd feel to good about that situation.

I think there is little doubt that NATO countries could have handled the 90s a lot better and built far better relations with Russia.

However the reason most East European countries want to join NATO was they saw Russia as an aggressive undemocratic military power that threatened their independence.

Putin had just shown them to be correct.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I get that, but Ukraine isn't NATO. They are more like a sister state to Russia. Like half the people there speak Russian but Ukrainian authorities won't allow it.

From what I understand, Ukraine has been rejected as a NATO member supposedly due to their corruption and unstable economy. In the end, the west never has, and still doesn't care about Ukraine. The whole thing stinks.

a reply to: Wookiep

"The whole thing stinks."

Putin and Russia's thermobaric rocket barrages, use of cluster munitions, and cruise missile strikes on civilian targets and info structure certainly reeks of something one would find stuck to the bottom of a shoe on a hot sunny day.

Put it this way there will never be peace whilst Putin and his ilk perpetrate those sorts of atrocity and war crimes.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: ScepticScot

I get that, but Ukraine isn't NATO. They are more like a sister state to Russia. Like half the people there speak Russian but Ukrainian authorities won't allow it.

From what I understand, Ukraine has been rejected as a NATO member supposedly due to their corruption and unstable economy. In the end, the west never has, and still doesn't care about Ukraine. The whole thing stinks.

Russian isn't banned in Ukraine.

Ukraine does have laws designed to promote use of Ukranian and make it official language. Many countries do similar including Russia.

a reply to: andy06shake

I think most of what you have to say there is propaganda. Maybe there is a hint of truth somewhere in there but the media has been full of #e for many years.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Maybe. I dunno, but I've read elsewhere that Ukraine authorities have cracked down on the Russian language. I don't have a source ATM so it's worthless anyway. But the point is, many Ukrainians speak Russian and the country as a whole has historic ties to Russia. It's why I used Alaska as an example.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: ScepticScot

Maybe. I dunno, but I've read elsewhere that Ukraine authorities have cracked down on the Russian language. I don't have a source ATM so it's worthless anyway. But the point is, many Ukrainians speak Russian and the country as a whole has historic ties to Russia. It's why I used Alaska as an example.

Alaska is part of the US, Ukraine isn't part of Russia.

I totally agree that neither side are angels (it's never that simple) and that Russia does have some legitimate grievances

However that was totally thrown out the window when Russia invaded and Ukraine deserves all the support it gets.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: ScepticScot

Maybe. I dunno, but I've read elsewhere that Ukraine authorities have cracked down on the Russian language. I don't have a source ATM so it's worthless anyway. But the point is, many Ukrainians speak Russian and the country as a whole has historic ties to Russia. It's why I used Alaska as an example.

I read something similar on twitter. It was a week or so ago though and it was in response to the invasion.

It wasn’t an authority crackdown from what I seen though. It was Ukrainian store owners hanging signs saying they wouldn’t serve Russian speaking customers.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: ScepticScot

Like half the people there speak Russian but Ukrainian authorities won't allow it.

This is a lie. Even the president of Ukraine is a native Russian speaker.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Ukraine WAS indeed once part of Russia. Aside from that, we don't entirely disagree, but we also don't agree entirely either. So I'm good with that.

a reply to: Cutepants

It's not a lie. I never intentionally posted something I knew was false, which would be defined as a lie. So stop lying asshole.

a reply to: Wookiep

Aye tell that to the poor Ukrainians who's cities are in ruins with half their family members blown to pieces or shot dead attempting to flee in the streets.

Somehow i image "Its just all propaganda" will go down like a lead balloon.

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ukraine WAS indeed once part of Russia. Aside from that, we don't entirely disagree, but we also don't agree entirely either. So I'm good with that.

Was - past tense.

Doesn't give Russia any special rights.

a reply to: Wookiep

Well fact of the matter is that the Ukrainian city of Kyiv predates Russia's Moscow by 665 years.

Ukraine is now a sovereign nation no matter what Putin claims.

Only people that are not good with that seem to be the Russian invaders.