Ukraine against its own citizens

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

Google translate/search might be able to help where the audio is concerned.

What do you make of the vid i posted of what appears to be Russian troops robbing bank safes/ATM and grocery stores?

And by the way all this mad # aside, i like the majority of our interactions and the threads you post.

So no hard feeling just because we seem to disagree on Putin.

Google translate is available for both me and you.
I'm wondering why Putin's passport was not found in your video? Two days ago, a plane carrying American video bloggers landed in Warsaw. And immediately the flow of video fakes increased. Your video is clearly staged.

a reply to: andy06shake

And none of that has anything to do with whether the elections were in fact and in deed free, fair and honest.

Democracies and Republics are based on elections... but there is no guarantee of corruption-proof elections here or in Ukraine or anywhere.

a reply to: RussianTroll

True but you did post the video.

And planes land in Warsaw all the time. LoL

Im sure you understand the onus of responsibility where what you post is concerned.

Plus context and all that jazz.

Whats this about "Putin's passport" now?

And its not my video per-say, but other peoples.

Said video comprises multiple different instances RussianTroll, that's a lot of ""fakes"".

Seem to be a lot of ""staged"" videos regarding Russia's illegal invasion of another nation.

Can only imagine why that is. LoL

Tell you what's not staged very well, that would be Russia's war against her neighbour.

a reply to: Boadicea

There is no guarantee of corruption-proof anything in this day of age.

What you are after through is proof of election fraud, and just like in your own nation.

Your apt to come up short where presenting credible evidence to support your claims of election fraud is concerned.

Seems to be a pattern with some Americans in this day of age, ""alternative facts"" being their bread and butter as opposed to democracy in action.

a reply to: andy06shake

Do you know what I learned on our forum?
Whoever says "LOL" first wins.

a reply to: RussianTroll

FFS don't tell Putin that.

I like the paint on my house not to be sucked off after all.

Still it might be nice to hear what these alleged Chechens had to say, again because of context.

I mean for all we know they are discussing next weeks lotto numbers, thats if there is a next week.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

FFS don't tell Putin that.

I like the paint on my house not to be sucked off after all.

Still it might be nice to hear what these alleged Chechens had to say, again because of context.

I mean for all we know they are discussing next weeks lotto numbers, thats if there is a next week.

My Yandex browser always offers me to translate the video if it is not in Russian. I tried to translate, but the browser artificial intelligence cannot translate from Chechen to Russian. Maybe you will translate through Google's artificial intelligence?
The only thing I can say is that a certain Rosguard from among the 10,000 Chechen policemen who went to Ukraine, most likely the commander, since the phones are taken away from ordinary guardsmen, calls Kadyrov and asks what he should do with such wealth)))

a reply to: RussianTroll

And you imagine sending 10,000 Chechens into the Ukraine to be a good idea.

Im going out with the dog right now.

Ile give it a go where translation is concerned when i return if you like.

As to what he should do with it, well not convert it to Russian Rubbles, that's for sure given what going on in that dept.

a reply to: RussianTroll

A lot of these people on here are just so blindly controlled by the Western media ( they will deny it and say "never me" though), everything that comes out of the media is just so anti Russian its disgusting and it's ALWAYS been like this, not just now.

These people think that Russia and I keep hearing this over and over, attacked Ukraine & started an "unprovoked war" and they don't have a clue about the thousands and thousands of innocent Russian Civilians in Donbass that Ukraine army has been killing for years. The Western media won't even acknowledge it, so in the eyes of these people this war just started and It started because Putin wants to "bring back the USSR". The longer this war goes on though, more and more Americans are finding out the truth and realizing the invasion wasnt as cut and dry as they thought.

I know when I talk to friends and co-workers and I talk to a ton of people, I have yet to run into one single person who knows about how Ukraine has massacred children, elderly and woman in Donbass or that Ukrainian airforce has dropped bombs on ethnic Russian neighborhoods in Donbass particularly Donetsk has been bombed many times. The people I tell everyone is absolutely shocked and I always get the "why hasn't this ever been on the news" question. I also sometimes get people that call me an out right liar and they say stuff like "if the Ukrainian airforce ever bombed Russian neighborhoods in this Donbass place it would have been all over the news and everyone would have known." There have been a few times when I see these people at work the next day they will apologize and say "you were telling the truth".

I know the American media is making it look like all of America hates and is against Russia but its not the absolute truth, there are people over here that are behind Russia and everyday more people are learning the facts and the truth, not just about the war but about Zelenskyys tyranny as well.

a reply to: RussianTroll

You're a clever man.

Maybe there are valid concerns about Russian speaking people in eastern Ukraine.
Ok, the Ukrainian government may have been somewhat 'corrupt' - show me a government that isn't, all that tends to differ is their transparency.
Many of us agree that NATO/EU etc may have disregarded Russian concerns about their encroachment into former USSR regions.

None of that excuses the full scale invasion of a neighbour - a neighbour who's people considered Russian's to be almost family.
It doesn't justify the bombing of nuclear power plants.
Nor does it warrant the continued bombing of Ukrainian cities in contravention of agreed ceasefires.

Horrific deeds go hand in hand with all wars, this conflict is no different....and innocent people are suffering.

And nothing is worse than threatening nuclear war on the whole world in order to further this invasion of an independent country.

Only one man can put an immediate stop to this.
Its the person who must accept responsibility for ordering the death and destruction and destabilising the whole world in the first place; Putin.

We all know we've had some appalling leaders here in 'The West' - we still do! - but none of the magnitude of Putin.

He is allowing his dreams of personal glory and deification to lead his country headlong into a crisis of epic proportions.

The best outcome for Russia is they gain control of Ukraine - against the wishes of the majority of Ukrainians - and some sort of impasse is reached with NATO. But Russia enters yet another period of autocratic rule and almost complete isolation.

Or we have another continental wide conventional war with millions of deaths.
Or....

All just to feed Putin's ego and dreams of 'Greatness'.

Like I said, you're a clever man....you work it out.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

You're a clever man.

Maybe there are valid concerns about Russian speaking people in eastern Ukraine.
Ok, the Ukrainian government may have been somewhat 'corrupt' - show me a government that isn't, all that tends to differ is their transparency.
Many of us agree that NATO/EU etc may have disregarded Russian concerns about their encroachment into former USSR regions.

None of that excuses the full scale invasion of a neighbour - a neighbour who's people considered Russian's to be almost family.
It doesn't justify the bombing of nuclear power plants.
Nor does it warrant the continued bombing of Ukrainian cities in contravention of agreed ceasefires.

Horrific deeds go hand in hand with all wars, this conflict is no different....and innocent people are suffering.

And nothing is worse than threatening nuclear war on the whole world in order to further this invasion of an independent country.

Only one man can put an immediate stop to this.
Its the person who must accept responsibility for ordering the death and destruction and destabilising the whole world in the first place; Putin.

We all know we've had some appalling leaders here in 'The West' - we still do! - but none of the magnitude of Putin.

He is allowing his dreams of personal glory and deification to lead his country headlong into a crisis of epic proportions.

The best outcome for Russia is they gain control of Ukraine - against the wishes of the majority of Ukrainians - and some sort of impasse is reached with NATO. But Russia enters yet another period of autocratic rule and almost complete isolation.

Or we have another continental wide conventional war with millions of deaths.
Or....

All just to feed Putin's ego and dreams of 'Greatness'.

Like I said, you're a clever man....you work it out.

Hello my friend. I will tell you very briefly why Putin made this decision. Putin was one day ahead of NATO before attacking Russia. Literally now, captured maps and plans are published in Russia, laptops with identified NATO tags, in which there are complete plans, orders and maps of the invasion of Donbass and Russian Crimea. That is, Putin knew about these plans and was ahead of NATO by a day.
In addition, documents are now being published, which clearly show that Ukraine, with the help of NATO technologies, almost created a "dirty" nuclear bomb at the Yuzhmash plant for use against Russia.
Well, the icing on the cake. Plans to place NATO missiles with nuclear warheads in the Kharkiv region. Flying time to Moscow - 4 minutes. Putin got ahead of NATO and prevented nuclear strikes on Russia. Today published the data of polls of Russians. 82% support the Russian army.

a reply to: RussianTroll

"Literally now, captured maps and plans are published in Russia, laptops with identified NATO tags, in which there are complete plans, orders and maps of the invasion of Donbass and Russian Crimea."

Care to post these alleged captured maps and plans?

Again it may support your argument.



As to that translation, i tried the above but did not have much luck. LoL

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Thank you my friend. I know this and really appreciate the opinion of my friends on the forum, regardless of whether they condemn Putin or support him. I think that a calm exchange of views always brings results. They want to make us enemies, but we, ordinary people, will figure it out among ourselves. Politicians are dirty people

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

And you imagine sending 10,000 Chechens into the Ukraine to be a good idea.

Im going out with the dog right now.

Ile give it a go where translation is concerned when i return if you like.

As to what he should do with it, well not convert it to Russian Rubbles, that's for sure given what going on in that dept.

Chechens are the same citizens and patriots of Russia as Russians. There are also policemen in Chechnya, just like in all of Russia. They are no different from Russian policemen, only in national traditions.
Kadyrov has repeatedly declared that Putin is his father, he is Putin's soldier. And 25 years ago he fought against the Russians. Which of the Western politicians can boast that he has made people out of his enemies who are ready to give their lives for him? This is Russia my friend

a reply to: glen200376


I am cheering for Ukraine. I must be a mindless idiot. Russia invaded Georgia because Georgia wanted to become more formally involved with Western Europe. Russia invaded Ukraine because they wanted to be more formally involved with Europe. Russia tried to start a Civil War in Ukraine, and Russia cries fowl because Ukraine fights back? Now I am a mindless idiot for supporting the Ukranian people as they attempt to preserve their sovereignty from invading Russians.
I like the Russian people, they have the same moxie as traditional Americans... so do the Ukranian people. I hope the invader is repelled and I hope the people that pedal the Russian narrative that is so full of mind numbing propaganda take a moment and question their own government. Xxxx Putin

a reply to: RussianTroll

Putin.
Kadyrov.

Two murdering psychopaths.

This is Russia my friend.

a reply to: RussianTroll

NATO wasn't going to invade anywhere mate.

There would have been uproar and unrest across the every single member nation.
We have no desire to invade Luhansk or Donbass are any of those areas....and certainly not Russia.....and NEVER nuclear weapons.
Putin is the one who threatened to use nuclear weapons.

"Without Russia there is no world".

Come on man, use that intellect of yours.

a reply to: RussianTroll

And hows that working out thus far RussianTroll?

To plan?

Because if that's the case i have to wonder wtf???!!!

What about the Ukrainian patriots fighting for there very life's and existence?

To be honest i canny imagine England ever skelping Georges Square with a few cruise missile and calling it a military target, well not in this day of age.

You must see how this is all just wrong on so many different levels?

And like i have already asked how do you see the situation being resolved or going forward given the Ukraine willingness to fight and not capitulate to the illegal invasion of there nation?

I can't believe the people on ATS still believing, listening to and echoing the BS of the MSM! I could scream until I'm hoarse but they still won't listen...

So here's a little ditty sung to "The Bear Went Over The Mountain" I put together so maybe, just maybe it will stick in your brain until it sinks in... Sing US as us...

Let Putin get rid of the Nazis
Let Putin kill all of the Nazis
Let Putin get rid of the Naziiiiiiiis,
So US won't go to war.

So US won't go to war,
So US won't go to war,
Let Putin kill all of the Naziiiiis,
So US won't go to war!

I've got pictures in my history books of what the Nazis' did to Jews, Gypsies, Russians, Polish, homosexuals and lots of other peoples that wouldn't bend to the Nazis; but, I don't believe I can post them here due to T&C's, darn it...

But Duck Duck Go is your friend...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

"Literally now, captured maps and plans are published in Russia, laptops with identified NATO tags, in which there are complete plans, orders and maps of the invasion of Donbass and Russian Crimea."

Care to post these alleged captured maps and plans?

Again it may support your argument.

As to that translation, i tried the above but did not have much luck. LoL

This is a very big topic, for several threads on the forum. Maybe I will publish, today there is a lot of material on this topic.
And now I want to show how residents of the liberated regions of Ukraine meet Russian soldiers.



Sorry friend, I'm going online.