Ukraine invasion: Russian conscripts reportedly forced to sign military contracts, losing contact wi

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Lets just hope he stops making errors and begins to see sense.

Because the majority of the world is most decidedly against his mad act of depraved invasion.

Im thinking he's apt to kick it up a notch and try to save face all the same.

It would make sense. I have seen multiple videos on Reddit of captured Russian soldiers who had no idea what their objective was. Some thought it was training and immediately surrendered once the fighting started. I've also seen a lot of outdated Soviet eratanks and APC just decimated by Ukraine military. It makes sense. Use up the Cannon fodder and once Ukraine is lulled into a false sense of victory hit them hard. I also saw that Putin is sending something like 10,000 Chechens to Ukraine. I thought they were opposed to Putin. These must be soulless mercs who are loyal to Kadyrov. I pray for the civilians that encounter these Muslim invaders.

a reply to: PorteurDeMort

I can’t imagine Chechen soldiers being that loyal to Russia, there must be an angle on that or there’s been a serious carrot dangled for them.

They did after all spend their time beheading Russian POWs they’d caught when fighting against Russia.

MR

a reply to: Marlborough Red

Loyalty to money perhaps.

What is surprising to me is the willingness for most here to just swallow what the MSM is reporting about the Russia-Ukranie thing hook line and sinker.

Sorry, whatever is going on there, the one thing I'm sure of is, we're not being told the full story.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

So basically Russia has a military draft...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

09.03.2022 (17:00)

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Unfortunately, several facts of the presence of conscripts in the units of the Russian Armed Forces participating in a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine have been revealed.

Almost all such servicemen have already been withdrawn to the Russian territory.

At the same time, one of the units performing combat service support tasks was attacked by a sabotage group of the nationalist battalion.

A number of servicemen, including conscripts, were captured.

Comprehensive measures are currently being taken to prevent conscripts from being sent to combat areas and to release captured soldiers.

eng.mil.ru...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yes.

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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
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So Putin doesn't want to lose actual soldiers in his invasion, so he basically illegally forced conscripts into becoming soldiers against their will and sent them off to die in the invasion. This is why the invasion is not going as planned and taking forever.

The longer it takes, the more money everyone can make, both in the West as in Russia. So perhaps it's intentional?

Massive amounts of money are pumped into Western militaries (especially the members of NATO) and the Ukranian war effort. Looks like things are going according to plan, and Russia is playing its part (of the boogeyman). Just like it was in Syria, where Assad was the main boogeyman (but Russia also playing their part).

War—Why? (Awake!—1986)

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The Role of Propaganda

Sometimes neighbors quarrel. But seldom does it lead to bloodshed. In the first place, the law of the land prohibits assault and murder against fellow citizens. But in time of war, that prohibition does not apply to citizens of an opposing country, even though people in general really do not know their “enemies.” All that they know about the enemy is what they have been led to believe by the spoon-feeding of their politically controlled media.

This is a fact of life in every nation. As Irenäus Eibl-Eibesfeldt wrote: “Public opinion is formed by interest groups (politicians, arms manufacturers, the military) that deceive the electorate by giving them false or one-sided information.” In a similar vein, historian H. E. Barnes wrote: “Since the wars of the French Revolution . . . copious and compelling propaganda [has] been continued and greatly increased to protect warfare against popular dissent, opposition, and factual analysis of issues.”

As a consequence, “practically anybody can be persuaded and manipulated in such a way that he will more or less voluntarily enter a situation wherein he must kill and perhaps die.” (War, by Gwynne Dyer) Thus, by reason of their political and economic power, the “elite” can control the media in order to prepare the masses for the bloodbath.

Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels, leaders of the ruling Nazi elite, were well aware of the importance of mind control and deception of the masses. On August 24, 1939, Hitler explained to a group of high officers his plans for the invasion of Poland: “I shall give a propagandist cause for starting the war. Never mind whether it is plausible or not. . . . In starting and waging a war, it is not Right that matters but Victory.”

Thus it is clear that a motivation has to be generated to make a nation rise up against another. But what are the key elements in generating war fever?

Who Make the Decisions?

Austrian economist Schumpeter wrote: “The orientation toward war is mainly fostered by the domestic interests of ruling classes but also by the influence of all those who stand to gain individually from a war policy, whether economically or socially.” These ruling classes have been defined as “elites [that] are at all times involved in trying to manipulate other elements of the population, or the public mood itself, so as to perpetuate themselves in power.”​—Why War? by Professors Nelson and Olin.

Every nation has its ruling class, even though that group may be divided into different political factions. However, many observe that the power of the military elite in every nation should not be underestimated. Former U.S. Ambassador John K. Galbraith describes the military establishment as “by far the most powerful of the autonomous processes of government.” He continues: “The power of the military embraces not only the significant sources of power but . . . all the instruments of its enforcement. . . . More than any other exercise of power in our time it is the subject of grave public unease.”

Galbraith illustrates his point by reference to the United States military institution, which has property resources that “far exceed any similar source of power; they embrace not only what is available to the armed services and the civilian military establishment but what flows out to the weapons industries.” A like situation no doubt exists in the Soviet Union and many other countries. And therein lies a danger that could lead to a war of mutual annihilation​—that the power of the military establishment comes to exceed that of the political.

How Does Religion Influence War?

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Nationalism​—The “Sacred Egoism” That Divides

Sometimes the people are not in favor of a war. On what basis, then, can the rulers most easily persuade the population to support their aims? This was the problem that faced the United States in Vietnam. So, what did the ruling elite do? Galbraith answers: “The Vietnam War produced in the United States one of the most comprehensive efforts in social conditioning [adjusting of public opinion] in modern times. Nothing was spared in the attempt to make the war seem necessary and acceptable to the American public.” And that points to the handiest tool for softening up a nation for war. What is it?

Professor Galbraith again supplies the answer: “Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.” This systematic conditioning prevails in communist countries as it does in Western nations.

Charles Yost, a veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service and State Department, expressed it thus: “The primary cause of the insecurity of nations persists, the very attribute on which nations pride themselves most​—their sovereign independence, their ‘sacred egoism,’ their insubordination to any interest broader or higher than their own.” This “sacred egoism” is summed up in divisive nationalism, in the pernicious teaching that any one nation is superior to all others.

Historian Arnold Toynbee wrote: “The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism.” In Power and Immortality, Dr. Lopez-Reyes wrote: “Sovereignty is a major cause of contemporary war; . . . unless altered, the system of sovereign nation-states will trigger World War III.” The emphasis on nationalism and sovereignty denies the basic concept that we all belong to the same human family, regardless of linguistic or cultural differences. And that denial leads to wars.

Yes, the experts can come up with all kinds of explanations of why man systematically sets out to destroy those of his own kind. Yet there is one primary factor that most commentators ignore.

The Hidden Cause of War

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originally posted by: Marlborough Red
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

I can’t imagine Chechen soldiers being that loyal to Russia, there must be an angle on that or there’s been a serious carrot dangled for them.

They did after all spend their time beheading Russian POWs they’d caught when fighting against Russia.

MR

On reddit you see a lot of posts of videos of Kadyrovs dogs. They are almost always making fun of them, claiming that their uniforms are always clean and there never appear to actually be enemies where they are firing. The "tiktok brigade" they call them.

My wishful thinking conspiracy theory is that they are all secretly on the side of Ukraine, and waste all their time pretending to fight using up Russian resources and ammo with no intention of actually helping them.