Why I don't believe "escaped from the lab" theory about Corona Virus

I'm not saying it wasn't created in a lab. But I don't think it escaped by accident.

Looking at a map of wet markets in China :

www.google.com...@33.1815713,98.875708,5z

Note the Baishazhou market is actually Wuhan. If you zoom in really close you'll see that Wuhan is on screen, and if you google map Wuhan it sends you to the exact same place on the map.

Here is a tool that maps all the L4 biolabs in the world

www.globalbiolabs.org...


There is exactly one other place you'll find a wet market that near to a L4 biolab. There is a biolab near Beijing itself, and a Wet market. However the Biolab is a little bit North of Beijing, and the Wet market is a little bit South .

On the other hand, the Wuhan wet market, and Wuhan Laboratory are only a few miles away from each other. In this map shot, the little gray icon toward the bottom on the road that says "G107" is the location of the Laboratory, and the red shopping cart is the (closed) wet market. They look to be about 20 miles apart, on the same North/South highway/road.




A mistake that military strategists often make when planning an attack is to over optimize it. In war, that makes you predictable. In subterfuge, it makes it obvious something that is meant to be "coincidence" is not coincidence.

If you wanted to use a weapon of mass destruction, but with plausible deniability, then the weapon needs to go off in a way so that it looks like someone else, or something else, did it.

Why not pick a location that has two plausible culprits, instead of one? Anyone who doesn't think it was the wet market, will think it was the Wuhan lab. Anyone who doesn't think it was the Wuhan lab, will think it was the wet market. Divide and conquer.

The two factions become mutually opposed to each other, and neither one will consider the possibility it was a third option: A disease purposely made in a lab you'll never hear about, and then transported to Wuhan to be released there.

The people who made the disease are obviously not going to intentionally release it in their own backyard. In a deliberate attack, there is never going to be any correlation at all between where it was made and where it gets released.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I think it was accidental.

If intentional, they would have ensured it was released away from the lab of origin.

Say maybe Laos or Thailand.

But wasn't samples of Covid 19 found in the sewage in Spain in September of 2019 ?

originally posted by: musicismagic
But wasn't samples of Covid 19 found in the sewage in Spain in September of 2019 ?

Ummmm... sure. As far as I know, it was a "claim" by a shady source.

www.usatoday.com...

"This week, researchers at the University of Barcelona have published new findings that suggest the virus that causes COVID-19 has been found in sewage samples from March of 2019," a June 28 Facebook post states.

The original article published by Truth Theory, a UK-based website, emphasized the likelihood of this finding by suggesting "people who caught the illness could have been misdiagnosed with the flu" as a bad flu season was a legitimate health concern prior to the pandemic.

USA TODAY is awaiting comment from the author of the original article.

Probably escaped from the sketchy a@@ brain swabs that dissolve into meat.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous
Covid 19 found in Italy in blood samples dating back to September 2019

www.reuters.com... J2

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

I'm not saying it wasn't created in a lab. But I don't think it escaped by accident.
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A mistake that military strategists often make when planning an attack is to over optimize it. In war, that makes you predictable. In subterfuge, it makes it obvious something that is meant to be "coincidence" is not coincidence.
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If you wanted to use a weapon of mass destruction, but with plausible deniability, then the weapon needs to go off in a way so that it looks like someone else, or something else, did it.

There's different strains of Covid which have different players.

The original strain looks more like something got out of a lab and into a fur trade market. It mutated from the original lab version.
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Alpha Mutations from Cog.UK


The 2nd strain is Alpha discovered in the UK. And that strain had a segment of DNA from HIV, which makes it plausable that there was some sort of human interference since the original Wuhan strain did not have that HIV DNA segment.
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Omicron Mutations from Cog.UK


Omicron is just entirely man-made. It's like someone took all the mutations from different variants around the world, specifically mutations that were known to evade the vaccines, and put all those mutations into 4 versions of Covid. (BA.1, BA.2, BA.3, IHU). Added to these new Covid strains were segments of DNA from a cold virus.

Based on the regions of the origins of these strains which are Botswana, South Africa and Cameroon, those regions are areas which escaped SS Nazi doctors continued their experiments from Auschwitz and Sachsenhausen POST-WWII, after the war was over.

So most likely some Nazi doctors were experimenting with new strains and they probably picked some remote villages to test it on people (as always without those people's consent), but what happened??? Elections. Voting season. And not only did what they were testing get out, but spread like wildfire for the elections, from voter to voter, voting booth to voting booth.

I don't think what they were testing was finished and I doubt that it was their desired effect. Nazi's never try to cure the world of their diseases. So what was their real intent of putting all those mutations that evade vaccines into 4 strains of Covid?

originally posted by: HorsePaster
a reply to: bloodymarvelous
Covid 19 found in Italy in blood samples dating back to September 2019

www.reuters.com... J2

fixed link

There is a very high likelihood that COVID was misdiagnosed as the flu/pneumonia for a significant length of time before it was identified. I doubt China's disease surveillance is as good as ours and we would likely take a while to catch a novel flu-like illness. This would be especially true if it's one with a pretty low mortality in healthy people under 70. It's not unusual for those over 70 or having multiple significant comorbidities to die from respiratory illness.

I'm not sure why I haven't heard much about that in all the conjecture and speculation from the various talking heads. We know that it seemed to explode overnight, but that's not really how diseases typically work when spreading from a single point. With a disease like COVID, that mimics a severe flu pretty well but isn't a flu itself, it's a near certainty that it was spreading long before the "genesis" of discovery.

Naturally, after it's identified, the numbers surge. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was already "in the wild" in early 2019 or late 2018.

Hmmm.... seeing as there are links back to Fauci and others outside China, has anyone ever considered that some 'nefarious' external source let it loose by WuHan so as to blame them?
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originally posted by: angelchemuel
Hmmm.... seeing as there are links back to Fauci and others outside China, has anyone ever considered that some 'nefarious' external source let it loose by WuHan so as to blame them?
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Jane

I was actually just thinking that it would be a great way to frame China as I was editing my post. Then, if you're really nefarious and are looking to get your pet MRNA approved with emergency authorization, you release the same strain in multiple countries shortly after China announces it to the world. It starts showing up on the radar everywhere shortly after China and you have an instant global pandemic overwhelming hospitals. Making it seem like it was spreading much faster inflates the panic and you get your -never before approved- MRNA jammed down the world's throat under emergency use, which you just happened to have been working toward.

Scary thought, but we have emails showing those clowns wanted a big virus to get the world on board with a coronavirus or panvirus MRNA vaccine.

ETA: timelines would be tough on this, especially given how long I think it was probably circulating before. That would take some pretty slick disease modeling. Just spitballing

a reply to: Ksihkehe
Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking the same way!
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: HorsePaster
a reply to: bloodymarvelous
Covid 19 found in Italy in blood samples dating back to September 2019

www.reuters.com... J2

fixed link

There is a very high likelihood that COVID was misdiagnosed as the flu/pneumonia for a significant length of time before it was identified. I doubt China's disease surveillance is as good as ours and we would likely take a while to catch a novel flu-like illness. This would be especially true if it's one with a pretty low mortality in healthy people under 70. It's not unusual for those over 70 or having multiple significant comorbidities to die from respiratory illness.

I'm not sure why I haven't heard much about that in all the conjecture and speculation from the various talking heads. We know that it seemed to explode overnight, but that's not really how diseases typically work when spreading from a single point. With a disease like COVID, that mimics a severe flu pretty well but isn't a flu itself, it's a near certainty that it was spreading long before the "genesis" of discovery.

Naturally, after it's identified, the numbers surge. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was already "in the wild" in early 2019 or late 2018.

Thanks for fixing it. It worked for me.

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I’ve that it was misdiagnosed as EVALI. People were dying in the same way as as Covid with the same symptoms. “white, opaque, glasslike lung images”. The CDC never stopped people from vaping, yet the deaths continued and there is no more EVALI.

Well, I dunno, but if this was supposed to be a weaponized pathogen, it seems pretty much weak sauce to me. Was what we are seeing now the design target? Well, why bother? Seems to me that either this weapon has been a failure, or there is a long term design goal that we just have not seen yet.

Does humanity actually have the technical expertise now to develop a pathogen that is self modifying yet programmable to reach a hidden design goal MANY generations in the future via controlled mutations?

Or are we only seeing part one of some sort of binary weapon that the other half has not expressed itself yet?

When nothing makes sense, then some of the pieces of the puzzle are just missing from the board. IMHO.

I'm still going with lab animals sold at the market look at the food industry in China thats not even that bad compared to other things they sell as food ... except the potental to kill all humans on earth

Tho really any theory is possible the one I will never buy is someone cought a bat and drove 800 miles to sell it for food that was the first theory and it sounded like the most made up bs then and it still dose now ... and there still trying to push that #

originally posted by: Rich Z
Well, I dunno, but if this was supposed to be a weaponized pathogen, it seems pretty much weak sauce to me. Was what we are seeing now the design target? Well, why bother? Seems to me that either this weapon has been a failure, or there is a long term design goal that we just have not seen yet.

No. Just a mild virus that you make, through panic, a world ending pandemic. It has to be novel to be scary, so you do gain of function. Then the fun starts.

Why bother to do it? Unprecedented violations of basic human rights on a global scale via emergency powers are making many people completely numb to the boot on their throat. What do all politicians want and once gained almost never relinquished? Power. Then there's the literal trillions this is going to be worth to pharma. Now they have a massive mRNA study done proving it's safe and effective the conveyor belt of new mRNA vaccines starts. Literally trillions.

a reply to: markovian
Just adding my two cents to this. If you do some research (I'm too lazy to find links), It's very common that lower level staff at these research facilities would remove test animals before they're supposed to be destroyed & sell them at the markets. Multiple facilities in China had been cited for this over a few years before the breakout. It was one of the reasons they were never considered "on par" with facilities in other countries. To me, the simplest reason for something happening is usually the correct one. Could there be this diabolical plot to create a way to kill millions of people & then use that to try & suppress the rights of those that live...sure. Or...maybe someone making a barely livable wage saw an opportunity to make a little extra cash...just like they & others before them have done & unknowingly took the batch of intentionally infected with the man-made mutating killer virus animals to market. No different than any apprentice of every labor trade taking the scrap at the end of a job in for recycling/extra cash.

Side Note: Also a consequence of this...The powers that be have to do everything they can to cover up the fact that they've been doing borderline ethical stuff in the name of science, but won't let that major screw up go to waste & are going to take as much lasting control/advantage as they can during the process

Three weeks before covid started Canada kicked out two researchers from their biological research facility. I will try to find a link (was covered on ats when it occurred but has since faded into the background.

Despite the amount of information I have seen, I do not consider myself in a position to determine whether the release was intentional or accidental. I have suspicions, like everyone else, but I cant be certain.

However, I do find several elements from China on the very early timeline of the covid outbreak highly suspicious. I don't think anyone believes we were getting accurate numbers from China in regards to people infected, rate of transmission, fatality, etc. What struck we as particularly suspicious is that after just a few weeks, when China was saying they only had around 1500 cases, they were planning on building two 10,000 bed hospitals in two weeks - in addition to the many large hospitals already in the area. That is a lot of beds for 1500 patients.

Based on that knowledge, I think China knew right from the start what they were looking at in terms of severity and potential. I still cant say that means the release was intentional though. But China was less than forthcoming with information at a time when transparent disclosure could have saved countless lives.

i think it was released during

The 2019 military games

Which just so happened to be in Wuhan China...

Stay safe

Rious

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I too have always thought the release was "accidental", the virus planned to target the elderly and infirm however and would have been released eventually. Look at all the power brokers of the world warning of this long before it broke out.

I remember reading that it was fairly common for lab workers to sneak out dead lab animals and sell them to the wet market. I believe an animal with COVID 19 died and was smuggled out by an underpaid lab worker who sold it in the wet market, it was skinned and bleeding as the wet market animals are and that began it all.
I also believe Fauci knew it was developed there and knew all about the gain of function research that caused a cold virus (coronaviruses were in the past cold viruses) to become lethal. I also believe WHO also knew as well as the Chinese government and the Chinese government, Fauci and WHO collaborated to keep it a secret that this was an escaped bioweapon developed by WHO, China, and other agencies around the world who paid for gain of function research.

That said I do believe China deliberately spread it to the world to cover their tracks. Remember the largest banquet in the world was held in Wuhan www.breitbart.com... AFTER the virus was active in Wuhan. They locked down Wuhan but allowed people to fly all over the world after the banquet.

I actually believe the virus was designed specifically to kill the elderly and people with chronic illnesses, with the younger people who died being acceptable collateral damage. The communist/socialist and even democratic countries now have huge elderly populations relying on government pensions and support.

With the declining birth rate, forced in China, and natural in all other developed countries, there aren't enough young to support the elderly without financial collapse. So the solution, kill the elderly and infirm, but in a way that doesn't look like you did it on purpose. (i.e. force nursing homes to take infectious COVID patients, etc.)

What better way than to engineer a virus that kills mostly the elderly and infirm, and be "compassionate, caring and concerned" while they are dying. China has the worst problem with this of any nation in the world due to their one child policy and the lack of citizens now interested in having more than one child because their propaganda about one child being the perfect number, worked so well - and their gender imbalance being severe due to free and easy to obtain abortion of 99% female babies, means there are too few women having too few children to support the growing elderly population. COVID 19 was a perfect solution for a nation that has no trouble with genocide to develop with no qualms about the morality and actually seeing it as a moral solution.