Gods Intention.

I find the story Of Adam And Eve to be very fascinating, and one particular aspect of the story which I find to be very important in understanding the whole story of Adam And Eve is, was it Gods intention that Adam And Eve chose to eat from the tree of Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?

I believe yes God's intention was that Adam and Eve would choose to eat from the Tree and that it was not a sin or a falling away from God, but from the perspective of God a plan put into action, there was no betrayal, just innocents.

a reply to: Smigg

was it Gods intention that Adam And Eve chose to eat from the tree of Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?

I think the better question is, "was Adam and Eve meant to be sentient?"
There is a good argument sixth day man and Adam are two different beings. A sixth day man was awakened to the knowledge of God existing. This led to questions. By himself, Adam wouldn't have gotten far but then he gained a different perspective from Eve.
Moving beyond being fruitful and multiplying is a distraction. Once you do that you become concerned with the material and forget the immaterial.

Maybe God wanted to see if he could make an animal think without reasoning beyond an animal. The answer being you can't; thinking leads to reasoning leads to disregarding the animal acceptance of everything.

a reply to: Smigg

There were two trees in the center of the garden. The tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden to Adam by god but he ate of every other tree in the garden. This would include the tree of life.

God made his reasoning clear.

If Adam was allowed to eat of both trees he would be like a god. As God will have no others before him he would then be forced to cut Adam off from the tree of life thus Adam would eventually die.

To avoid enticing Adam with being like a god, God simply told Adam if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die.

Eventually god makes eve and Adam instructs her to not even touch that tree. This is even though Adam tends all the trees of the garden even the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Seeing that Adam had obviously been tending the tree and thus violating his own orders to eve, the devil may have used such doubts this created in eve's mind and use those to trick her into eating of its fruit and we all know the story from there.

Eden was huge like a nation and the garden was in the center so when Adam and eve were kicked out of the garden they still were able to visit god in Eden.

We even see that Cain and Abel visited, spoke with and even made personal sacrifices directly to God in Eden.

As for Gods plan it seems you are correct in that Adam and eve ate of the tree and all is according to Gods will, but had eve and Adam abstained from eating of that fruit they would have continued for eternity in the garden with God.

Everything after that sin has been about getting us back to that eternal dwelling place with God. To repent and return to eternal life in God's presence.

In fact one could say that without the sin we would be living in heaven on earth just as Jesus will finally accomplish for the faithful when he returns.

So in fact the sin was not God's will but he is full of love and grace and has made us a beautiful path back home to him as any loving father would do for his wayward child.

The expulsion from the Garden of Eden has always struck me as a very good metaphor for the transition from the hunter/gatherer parkland dweller model to the Agrarian/sedentary society, which took place circa 10000 b.c.

originally posted by: Stevenmonet
a reply to: Smigg

There were two trees in the center of the garden. The tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden to Adam by god but he ate of every other tree in the garden. This would include the tree of life.

God made his reasoning clear.

If Adam was allowed to eat of both trees he would be like a god. As God will have no others before him he would then be forced to cut Adam off from the tree of life thus Adam would eventually die.

To avoid enticing Adam with being like a god, God simply told Adam if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die.

Eventually god makes eve and Adam instructs her to not even touch that tree. This is even though Adam tends all the trees of the garden even the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Seeing that Adam had obviously been tending the tree and thus violating his own orders to eve, the devil may have used such doubts this created in eve's mind and use those to trick her into eating of its fruit and we all know the story from there.

Eden was huge like a nation and the garden was in the center so when Adam and eve were kicked out of the garden they still were able to visit god in Eden.

We even see that Cain and Abel visited, spoke with and even made personal sacrifices directly to God in Eden.

As for Gods plan it seems you are correct in that Adam and eve ate of the tree and all is according to Gods will, but had eve and Adam abstained from eating of that fruit they would have continued for eternity in the garden with God.

Everything after that sin has been about getting us back to that eternal dwelling place with God. To repent and return to eternal life in God's presence.

In fact one could say that without the sin we would be living in heaven on earth just as Jesus will finally accomplish for the faithful when he returns.

So in fact the sin was not God's will but he is full of love and grace and has made us a beautiful path back home to him as any loving father would do for his wayward child.

So what would be the purpose of Adam and Eve from Gods perspective, did He create them to live in the garden of Eden for eternity ignorant of all knowledge ?

Trying to analyze the intent of God is a difficult task.
"Why did God let x happen?"
Strange. You would think there would be a good reason.
How high does God really sit? Why exactly did God make sentience?
Was God looking for a friend, an accomplice, or was the reason behind the work of God yet to come?

a reply to: Granitebones

I would think Cain and Abel. Cain was agriculture and founder of cities. Abel was hunter/gather.

a reply to: Smigg

I believe yes God's intention was that Adam and Eve would choose to eat from the Tree

Too much coincidence is not coincidence.

a reply to: Smigg

The story of Adam and Eve is an historical event and fact. God saw Satan and fore knew he was going to lick the apples and put his venom and saliva, his rotten DNA 🧬, on the apples and he told his Children, don’t eat from that tree, for you will surely die, from the poison that altered their DNA 🧬 and put death into them, and knowledge of Good and evil, good being listening to God, and evil, Satans lies and tricks and listening to him.

All Adam and Eve had to do was go to their Father, and say, hey dad we didn’t listen and ate that apple, that was poisoned by Satan, and he would have cured them and they would have learned a valuable lesson, and we would be in a much better place now, instead, they lied, and blamed each other, so God got angry and threw them out of Eden, where their poisoned DNA, spread across the globe bringing death to humanity, and using freewill to listen to Satans lie , doing evil, which his poisoned DNA makes you more susceptible to his lies, which is why the world is at the point of Armegeddon.

a reply to: TzarChasm

If it was Gods intention he would have told them to eat from that rotten poisoned tree, Adam and Eve are his children, he didn’t trick them to kill them.

a reply to: Randomname2

It happened, therefore god wanted it to happen. Otherwise why call him god.

a reply to: Smigg

I don't think we are on the level of God to even try and understand what God thought.

His word says his thoughts are not our thoughts his ways are not our ways.

originally posted by: Smigg

originally posted by: Stevenmonet
a reply to: Smigg

There were two trees in the center of the garden. The tree of life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden to Adam by god but he ate of every other tree in the garden. This would include the tree of life.

God made his reasoning clear.

If Adam was allowed to eat of both trees he would be like a god. As God will have no others before him he would then be forced to cut Adam off from the tree of life thus Adam would eventually die.

To avoid enticing Adam with being like a god, God simply told Adam if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die.

Eventually god makes eve and Adam instructs her to not even touch that tree. This is even though Adam tends all the trees of the garden even the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Seeing that Adam had obviously been tending the tree and thus violating his own orders to eve, the devil may have used such doubts this created in eve's mind and use those to trick her into eating of its fruit and we all know the story from there.

Eden was huge like a nation and the garden was in the center so when Adam and eve were kicked out of the garden they still were able to visit god in Eden.

We even see that Cain and Abel visited, spoke with and even made personal sacrifices directly to God in Eden.

As for Gods plan it seems you are correct in that Adam and eve ate of the tree and all is according to Gods will, but had eve and Adam abstained from eating of that fruit they would have continued for eternity in the garden with God.

Everything after that sin has been about getting us back to that eternal dwelling place with God. To repent and return to eternal life in God's presence.

In fact one could say that without the sin we would be living in heaven on earth just as Jesus will finally accomplish for the faithful when he returns.

So in fact the sin was not God's will but he is full of love and grace and has made us a beautiful path back home to him as any loving father would do for his wayward child.

So what would be the purpose of Adam and Eve from Gods perspective, did He create them to live in the garden of Eden for eternity ignorant of all knowledge ?

God made Adam to be a caretaker for the garden of Eden. Adam walked with God and tended the trees. So we were made to be stewards of the garden and God's walking companions. Who could ask for anything more?

I find the story Of Adam And Eve to be very fascinating, and one particular aspect of the story which I find to be very important in understanding the whole story of Adam And Eve is, was it Gods intention that Adam And Eve chose to eat from the tree of Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?

100% Yes. If this realm of good and evil didn't have purpose it would not exist.

One is consumed by that which he consumes.

Much like the snake eating its own tail.

Man is consumed by the knowledge of good and evil.

Much the same, it is the foods that we eat that age us and lead us to sickness and death.

The only truly suitable and sustainable food source is Spirit.


We must forego foods of the flesh in favor of Spirit.

The child must be weaned off the milk of his mother at a certain age for further growth.

We will one day return to a state where life is as long as we please, as we live free of sickness and essentially stop aging effects on the body.

This is our return to the Kingdom.

a reply to: Smigg

I believe yes God's intention was that Adam and Eve would choose to eat from the Tree and that it was not a sin or a falling away from God, but from the perspective of God a plan put into action, there was no betrayal, just innocents.

So, what do you believe God's action plan was?

Personally, I do believe that Adam and Eve sinned against God by disobeying him, but that it was God's will that free will play out universally. God also gave free will to his angels. According to the Bible, a third of his angels will rebel against him. The difference is that God prepared a plan of redemption for humans, but not for the angels who rebelled and had a hand in leading humans astray.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Smigg

I believe yes God's intention was that Adam and Eve would choose to eat from the Tree and that it was not a sin or a falling away from God, but from the perspective of God a plan put into action, there was no betrayal, just innocents.

So, what do you believe God's action plan was?

Personally, I do believe that Adam and Eve sinned against God by disobeying him, but that it was God's will that free will play out universally. God also gave free will to his angels. According to the Bible, a third of his angels will rebel against him. The difference is that God prepared a plan of redemption for humans, but not for the angels who rebelled and had a hand in leading humans astray.

Angels were created higher than us and come into being fully created, we one day will be higher than Angels so we have to start at the bottom, by choice, when Angels sin it's just a sin, when man sins its growth.


Our purpose is to rule over the universe with God but to reach that state much pain has to be endured and overcome, God would never force that on us it has to be in our nature.

a reply to: Smigg

True. Unfortunately, there will still be some humans who won't learn or grow from their mistakes.

originally posted by: Smigg
I find the story Of Adam And Eve to be very fascinating, and one particular aspect of the story which I find to be very important in understanding the whole story of Adam And Eve is, was it Gods intention that Adam And Eve chose to eat from the tree of Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?

I believe yes God's intention was that Adam and Eve would choose to eat from the Tree and that it was not a sin or a falling away from God, but from the perspective of God a plan put into action, there was no betrayal, just innocents.

Maybe their story is quite different from the Bible allegorical distorted version of events, (how can one commit a sin by eating an apple?!!)? I understand this changes many things, but we need to strive for the truth wherever it leads.