The Mainstream Media is lying to you, Ivermectin was approved for Human use decades ago

Some parasites get into the lungs.

I'd imagine if you've got lungworm and covid 19 a good dose of ivermectin would be very helpful.



a reply to: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: nonspecific
So you don't think that a nation with a huge issue with parasitic worms would benefit from ivamectin when it's really really good at dealing with parasitic worms?



a reply to: ketsuko

No. You sounded to me like you were saying that perhaps they weren't as touched by COVID because they had higher rates of antiparasitic use leading to better general health which seemed like a really odd thing to say.

Of course, you all ought to understand that in poor countries with government run health care, it's nothing for those governments to buy animal pharmaceuticals and use them in humans. So it's highly possible that even though ivermectin has been approved for human use, the ivermection they are getting is the same that your horse is taking and purchased from the very same manufacturer.

What I was actually suggesting was that the better results with ivamectin in India was partially because many of those with covid could have had parasitic comorbidities.

It's only a thought but when you consider some parasites can get into the lungs then in a country with poor healthcare you could get a higher rate of success with ivamectin as some patients with covid would also have the parasites.

Could it explain why trials in Western nations with little to no parasitic issues did not fare as well as they could have done compared to India?


a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: nonspecific

It is also worth noting that this whole ivermection OD thing was started by a fake story run by Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone is the same magazine that ran with a University of Virginia gang rape story that turned out to have been made up out of whole cloth.

In this case, the entire thing rests on a single quote by one doctor.

It's about "huge numbers of ivermectin ODs in Oklahoma" so many that hospitals are turning them away ... but there is no evidence at all that this is the case. And yet, Rolling Stone ran with it, and all the other outlets ran with it, including Maddow on MSNBC. No one followed up on it to see if that was actually true, much like with the Virginia story and several other major stories lately.

It serves the preferred narrative so they run with it.

That's not what we were talking about though is it?

People overdosing or not or where they got it from has no influence of the point I raised in that maybe the results in India would not be as good in countries with far less parasitic comorbidities.



a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

ok let us search the WHO database -- No results for ivermectin side effects

a reply to: nonspecific

Perhaps the trials were bias and designed to fail to save their funding for other research.
Perhaps there haven't been any well conduct trials due to the loss of revenue to the for-profit medicine practiced in the USA.

Perhaps you are only been told of those with the inclusive result.

Where are the studies proving it does harm? Remdesivir had those and was still approved until it wasn't

So even though my idea does make sense you don't even recognize that and use the same old worn out conspiracy
Clichés?

I'd have thought you would at least entertain a possibility that's not the mainstream narrative?

a reply to: puzzled2

originally posted by: nonspecific

Both of those studies are based in India though so that doesn't really answer the question.

If I told you that India has a very high rate of parasitic worm infestation with 27 percent of the global total being from India then could that not explain why India had a far better response to ivamectin than studies done in other nations?

Could it be that the ivamectin was also dealing with the worms meaning the general health was improved by more than just the effect it had on covid 19?

ciff.org...


a reply to: lordcomac

Okay, if you won't read the article, let me read part of it to you

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 1,997

COVID Daily Deaths: 33

So, three different places in India- a place you say has a huge percentage of people with worms...
One of them used this stuff, had 2 daily deaths out of 31 million people.
Another used this stuff, had 0 daily deaths out of 11.4 million people.
A third chose not to use it, and averaged 33 daily deaths out of 78.8 million people.

Now, these numbers are hard to scale to keep the city sizes the same since 2 and 0 are small numbers...
However, if you're claiming that the Ivermectin is only helping by killing the worms these people have, and not by helping with the actual COVID infection, then you're also stating that most of these people are just naturally immune to COVID, and wouldn't be dying if they just didn't have worms. I'd say that's a pretty bold statement.

I guess you could also make that same claim for Peru, Bolivia, Guatemala, and others that are also using Ivermectin with great success- do they all have a worm problem?
How about Mexico, and Argentina?

Mexico City – The IMSSS Health Agency compared over 50,000 patients treated early with ivermectin to over 70,000 not treated and found up to a 75% reduction in need for hospitalization.

• La Pampas, Argentina – Health Ministry compared over 2,000 patients treated early with ivermectin to over 12,000 without treatment and found 40% reduction in hospitalization and 35% less ICU or death in older patients.

• La Misiones, Argentina – Health Ministry just analyzed the first 800 of 4,000 ivermectin treated patients and compared to the rest of the population over the same time period, they found a 75% reduction in need for hospital and an 88% reduction in death.

There's a LOT of information out there about this working, being intentionally hidden by the US propaganda machine, and a lot of people are just lapping it up and parroting it back... instead of wanting to see the actual data, or some actual studies.

a reply to: nonspecific

Gosh, and maybe we'd have less deaths in the US if our health care were worse and we had less elderly people living to the point of severe frailty, or if our health care were less good so we had less people who weighed way too much with multiple comorbidities associated with that ...

And maybe what you've uncovered is that it's hard to compare different countries with vastly different demographies for various reasons directly unrelated to the one you're actually talking about.

a reply to: nonspecific

Well a quick look and 30 + million people are expected to have parasites in the usa so you would expect a high level of people benefiting from ivermectin Parasites - Parasitic Infections in the United States

Which might, as you said point to why people are having a bad time with a viral infection is based on untreated Parasites already weakening the immune system.

The UK Medicine Regulator has responded to a Freedom of Information request demanding to know how many deaths have occurred in the past 20 years due to all vaccines, and their response has revealed that there have been four times as many deaths in just eight months due to the Covid-19 injections.

Freedom of Information act

That would be just under one in ten people then?

So if my wildly speculative idea was correct then about 9 percent of people taking ivermectin for covid 19 would see good results and the other 91 percent not so good?

Seems plausible I guess


a reply to: puzzled2

originally posted by: PillarOfFire

The UK Medicine Regulator has responded to a Freedom of Information request demanding to know how many deaths have occurred in the past 20 years due to all vaccines, and their response has revealed that there have been four times as many deaths in just eight months due to the Covid-19 injections.

Freedom of Information act

I have to donate to read that?

Just simple math for you.

How many millions of Covid vaccines have been given compared to other vaccines over that comparator period?

Deny ignorance. Don't OD on it.

This information is only for those who care, not for the dull of mind.

How to Get Ivermectin
Pharmacies:
To assist all who are having difficulty finding pharmacists to fill prescriptions for ivermectin for preventing or treating COVID-19, we offer the following list of pharmacies that have assured us that they will fill these off-label prescriptions.

Understand, however, that we have no way of comparing prices, service, or shipping times from any of these businesses, so please be wise consumers and discuss these things with each one that you call.


Know Your Rights!

We have also developed an overview document, “Overcoming the Pharmacy Blockade.” tp help guide you in how to effectively push back with any pharmacists that deny filling your prescription. You can read and download that guide here.

FLCCC

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SEVEN CELLS

originally posted by: PillarOfFire
This information is only for those who care, not for the dull of mind.

How to Get Ivermectin
Pharmacies:
To assist all who are having difficulty finding pharmacists to fill prescriptions for ivermectin for preventing or treating COVID-19, we offer the following list of pharmacies that have assured us that they will fill these off-label prescriptions.

Understand, however, that we have no way of comparing prices, service, or shipping times from any of these businesses, so please be wise consumers and discuss these things with each one that you call.


Know Your Rights!

We have also developed an overview document, “Overcoming the Pharmacy Blockade.” tp help guide you in how to effectively push back with any pharmacists that deny filling your prescription. You can read and download that guide here.

FLCCC

FLCCC

SEVEN CELLS

165 Dollars for 20 capsules?

And more info here for Canadians.


Canada

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

If Doctors stood up to Gov. It wouldn't cost an arm, a leg or a lung just to buy the damn stuff.

How much is your health worth to you?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

165 Dollars for 20 capsules?

So now this is your latest argument?

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

165 Dollars for 20 capsules?

So now this is your latest argument?

No. It's not an argument. It's an observation.