Russian vs American Military Recruiting Ads

I'm so thoroughly disgusted after watching this. I'm sorry folks, but which military member in that ad do you fear more?
There is so much I could say, but in an effort to not devolve the thread into bigotry against groups I'll refrain, but you all are thinking the same...well, most of you.

So ATS...which fighting force do you want defending you? The force that trains in harsh conditions and promotes physical fitness or the one that cares more about gender politics, has obese out of shape men, women and trans wearing cloth Covid masks?

And for the record, I realize America has many many dangerous men. You just aren't going to get them to sign up to fight with stupid ads like this ffs.

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a reply to: MrBuddy

That Russian one looked like an ad for Spetznaz....Far as I am aware, we don't even advertise for spec ops in the UK and the US.

a reply to: MrBuddy

SMDH!

What else can be said?

a reply to: SprocketUK

.Far as I am aware, we don't even advertise for spec ops in the UK and the US.

The Royal Marine Commandos are just a step down from Special Op's.

a reply to: MrBuddy

I'm sorry folks, but which military member in that ad do you fear more?

Depends, we talking ground combat or computer assisted weapons…….

Or……………..

Release of biological weapons……

The misery we are headed towards will be epic.

a reply to: alldaylong

They are infantry, not spec ops though, which was my point.

They are good, yes, but you don't see ads for the SBS, SAS, Pathfinders etc do you?

It was kind of my point, the modern army needs a broad range of talents, even some people who will only ever serve in an office somewhere on a computer terminal.

a reply to: MrBuddy

The Uneutered States Army.



I jest. I have family members and friends in the service, some active some retired. I have worked with active duty and retired armed forces members at national guard bases in Vermont and I spent a great deal of time on Hunter Army Air Force Base when I lived in Savannah, GA. I feel for our armed forces. The armed forces of today are not the armed forces of yesteryear. After this absolute trainwreck of a full-blown retreat in Afghanistan I don't see how any young men or women would be compelled to enlist.

I remember the Marine recruiting commericals from my youth in the 80's and 90's. Those commercials were so epic. Sharp uniforms, fantasy battlefields, lightning shooting from the swords of the marines. In hindsight it was pretty messed up to target children during saturday morning cartoons, but Uncle Sam requires bodies for the war machine... those commercials were nothing worse than what goes on today with the Modern Warfare and Call of Duty games. The military is heavily involved with those titles as a means of recruitment.

These new "recruitment" commercials, though? All I can say is wtf. Just wtf. SMDH indeed.

a reply to: SprocketUK

They are good, yes, but you don't see ads for the SBS, SAS, Pathfinders etc do you

Very true. Another lot you don't see ad's for are The Gurkhas, for obvious reasons. They had their new intake only 2 days ago. Chaps not to be messed with.

Congratulations; you've fallen for Russian propaganda.

a reply to: MrBuddy

It's almost like one is looking for soldiers and the other is looking for diversity.

In this thread: people who love soldiers and those who serve in the military as long as they are buff white men with shaved heads; Diversity be damned. Diversity is such a bad thing to these people they would rather praise the military of a foreign adversary for their cute fictional commercial than thank the soldiers fighting for our freedoms who just happen to be women, black, gay, trans, or whatever non-cismale minority the puppet masters ask them to hate today. Please stop with this nonsense.

a reply to: bigsnowman
You're just at the other end of the spectrum from the "solider worshiper". You're a diversity worshiper.

Yes, diversity a good thing. Its shouldn't be forced though. In fact it can't be, forcing has the opposite effect. Secondly, diversity doesn't belong in a battlefield. There is a reason the military "strips your individuality" during basic training. At that point you're a cog in a war machine. Not a frilly star.
If you truly want diversity, and not virtue signal and feel I bit of power cuz you have that straight white man what for, just like every other "unique" individual, let it happen naturally and stop shoving it in people's face. Cuz at this point you sound like everyone else. And frankly it sounds a bit batty, from both sides.

Sincerely,
Someone on the outside looking in.

a reply to: bigsnowman

I'd expect that these ads are aimed at attempting to get guys to continue their military career after the mandatory year.

originally posted by: MrBuddy
I'm so thoroughly disgusted after watching this. I'm sorry folks, but which military member in that ad do you fear more?
There is so much I could say, but in an effort to not devolve the thread into bigotry against groups I'll refrain, but you all are thinking the same...well, most of you.

So ATS...which fighting force do you want defending you? The force that trains in harsh conditions and promotes physical fitness or the one that cares more about gender politics, has obese out of shape men, women and trans wearing cloth Covid masks?

And for the record, I realize America has many many dangerous men. You just aren't going to get them to sign up to fight with stupid ads like this ffs.

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This is probably going to sound dumb to people who honestly expected American military to continue measuring their phallic girth by competing with other nations in gun polishing Olympics for the next 200 years of social evolution, but have we considered that one day our global species will have to shake hands and be friends instead of building armies and weapons to murder each other with? We are at the stage of mutually assured destruction if anyone gets excitable and pushes the wrong button.

a reply to: loam

Haha! The USA is going to be defended by a bunch of #woke transexuals armed with entitlement and opinions.

I wonder how well such will work in an actual combat situation?

I suggest sending the woke PC brigade to Afghanistan on a test run, I'm sure such a force could solve such matters right.... Right?

a reply to: MrBuddy

which fighting force do you want defending you?

Obviously, those who win. Now wait... aren't those the taliban? Now what?

a reply to: alldaylong

Got a bunch near me, always bloody running

I also have kukri my gramps brought back from Burma, he really rated the Gurkhas he fought with.

Perhaps this is bit off topic and my apologies if so.

Diversity is good. Equality is good. I think anyone with a moral compass can agree on this.

What isn't good is when standards are lowered to provide the illusion of equality. I would posit that it is infact dangerous to reduce standards when it comes to something like military fitness requirements.

Army's first female infantry officer blasts lower standards for women

One of the US Army’s first female infantry officers is speaking out against the military’s combat fitness test revisions — warning the changes “undermine their credibility” and place missions and soldiers “at risk” — after changes were made to allow women to pass at a higher frequency.

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About 54 percent of women failed the APFT last year, while only 7 percent of men did.

In an effort to bridge that gender gap, the military introduced plans to score men and women separately as they compete for promotions.

Nearly half of females failed to graduate Army Infantry training, standards were also lowered

While the attrition rate doesn’t seem all that alarming, it strikes a more concerning tone when factoring in that the females needed only to meet the much-lower female standards for physical fitness that separate them from their previously all-male counterparts.
That said, there were some women who certainly gave their male colleagues a run for their money.

“There was even one female that did better than 90 percent of the males on the PT test,” said one 22-year-old male trainee, who reportedly had high PT scores. “Speaking as the person who had the second-highest PT score- she had me looking over my soldier the whole cycle. It was something that definitely made me better, and maybe kept me up nights a few times. But certainly by the end of the cycle, I was doing more push-ups, because I had her chasing me.”
However, some sources who graduated from within the unit -whom requested concealed identities to protect their new careers- claimed a clear double-standard between males and females in their training cycle, including lighter rucksacks and lower expectations.

How The Army Tried To Avoid Telling The Truth About Women In Ranger Training

Russell had spoken to several RIs who told him one story—that standards had been lowered and senior Ranger Training Brigade officials had unduly influenced the outcome of the course—while the Army was telling him another—that everything was the same as always. “The training of our combat warriors is paramount to our national defense,” Russell wrote to Secretary of the Army John McHugh. “In order to ensure that the Army retains its ability to defend the nation, we must ensure that our readiness is not sacrificed.” (It’s worth noting that Russell also went out of his way to emphasize in his public statements that he did not, and would not, question the abilities or records of any of the individual candidates themselves. His concern was solely about the possibility that officials with their own agendas had improperly influenced the course and about the effects their actions would have on the Army.)

McHugh’s office responded to Russell’s letter one day before the due date and asked for additional time to complete his request. Nine days after that, Army officials informed Russell that nearly all of the training records (including, presumably, the observation report reproduced above) had been destroyed. (RELATED: Army Wants To Hire Women As Advisers For Ranger School)

The only documents preserved were the candidates’ “green cards”—four-by-six-inch cards containing a thumbnail sketch of their time at the course and listing their graduation status. Although it is standard practice eventually to dispose of peer evaluations and patrol observation reports and to preserve only the green cards, it is unclear whether those documents had already been destroyed when Congressman Russell asked for them (only weeks after the course ended) or if they were shredded after his request. Rep. Russell sent a second letter to McHugh after the Army’s response, informing the secretary that he was “somewhat puzzled by the Army officials informing me that many of the documents I am requesting might not be delivered as they may have been shredded.”

Almost all media outlets have extreme bias these days, not that there was ever much neutrality in media. The bias has become much more apparent of late, so make what you will of these sources and take the info with a rockshaker of salt.

I remember my army buddies getting really bent out of shape over the distance which a grenade had to be thrown being significantly reduced. They felt that was a huge problem. I believe a big part of the reason standards have been cut is due to declining overall American health. Diet and exercise is often lacking. People don't seem to be very healthy in many instances. America is more overweight than it has ever been.

Perhaps it is a good thing that things are moving more towards automation. A man in an exosuit is equally as capable as a female in an exosuit. A drone requires a trained operator (at least until skynet and AI arise to dominance) and will operate as designed. Drone operators are susceptible to the same health issues as those who serve, which is already being cited as a reason to automate drone operations.

The Hidden Cost of Drone Combat: Soldiers’ Mental Health

If you envision a soldier on the front-lines of combat, you might picture an arid desert where the slightest lack of focus could mean the difference between life and death. You could picture someone exposed to the grotesque horrors of war, defending their fellow warfighters from ongoing threats. What if this same soldier commuted to the job while balancing shift-work and life at home?

Such is the reality for America’s drone operators in bases around the country. Operating crew often live two separate lives: living at home and driving to work flying planes halfway across the world for long periods of time.

Military decision-makers should take into account the psychological strain facing drone personnel when crafting policy. A Pentagon study found that these drone crewmembers suffered from depression and PTSD at similar rates as pilots of manned aircraft. This problem will only get worse as America’s use of military drones is set to increase.

Sexual assault and suicide run rampant in the armed forces. Soldiers are trained to kill and it can be difficult to reintegrate into society. They mental health support is not made available to these soldiers and they are expected to take a day job and live normal lives.

Anyway, I'm not knocking soldiers in any way, shape, or form. I am grateful to all who've served.

a reply to: MrBuddy

The Russian ad couldn't be more homoerotic if it tried.