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I watched it.
originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
Have nt watched it but if its about new mexico, pheonix lights or Rendelsham Forest, I'm not going to bother... bored of those same stories in everything UFO related
"They really don't want to know," Linda Stanley says. "Here was a person who had seen it and [Barwood] never bothered to contact us at all."
Mitch Stanley's sighting jibes well with witness reports that the configuration of the lights changed over time. In Prescott, for example, witnesses claim that one of the lights trailed the rest. Such evidence supports the claim that the lights were separate objects rather than one large craft.
Actually Symington was convicted of lying before he was pardoned by the president, you can't dispute that can you?
originally posted by: niladmirari13
so, yet again, your calling former Guvnor Fyfe Symington, what?
Yet another, what?
Delusional, and or, blatant lier?
James Fox told how he interviewed former Arizona governor Fife Symington, who belatedly "confessed" to having seen the lights ten years earlier, a dramatic reversal of his previous disparagement of the "lights". When Fox was a speaker at the 2013 UFO Congress, I spoke with him and explained why it is obvious that Symington is lying, and simply made up his sighting:
I reminded Fox that Symington claimed to have seen news coverage of the lights on TV, then went outside to look. He says he walked down to where the news crews had been filming the lights (the flare drop), and then saw the V-shape fly over, big and mysterious. However, there was no news coverage of the sightings before the planes landed about 8:45, and there could have been nobody filming the "lights" prior to 10:00, because the flares had not yet been dropped. Therefore Symington's claimed sighting occurred after 10:00, probably well after, and hence is an obvious fabrication. "No, he saw it at 8:20. It was 8:20," Fox insisted. "How could he have seen news coverage of this by 8:20?", I asked. "Maybe he heard chatter on the radio or something," Fox said. "How could there have been news crews filming this by 8:20?", I asked? Fox was having no more of this conversation.
In 2017, Symington's story has changed again (or more likely, Fox changed it for him). As Fox explained in his own talk later, Symington was listening in on the scanner and heard about the lights. (We don't know that there was any discussion of the first incident on some unspecificed scanner channels, although we can't say that there wasn't. This removes the obvious timeline discrepancy in Symington's first "I saw it" statement, which was that he saw the news reports, and went out to where the news crews had been filming the lights. This would be much too late to see the "triangle.") Symington supposedly drove out to Camelback Mountain, where he saw them.
In response to a question, Fox marvelled at Symington's abrupt change of heart on the subject:
I can't get it out of my mind. Earlier in the day he seemed so adamant, let's get to the bottom of it...it didn't seem like he was joking...let's find out what it was these people have seen, of course at that time not admitting the fact that he too had seen it.
But then that whole shift between that morning and that afternoon... I can't help but wonder, if he must have received a phone call. Something was going on that we're not privy to. So I asked him, did you receive a phone call from somebody? He said no. I don't know man, it's really kind of strange that he would do a 180 from the morning to the afternoon...
What "went on" was simply that Symington had decided to jump on the Phoenix Lights bandwagon, and invent a story about seeing them. Symington is an experienced liar (his conviction was later overturned on a technicality, but before he could be re-tried he was the lucky recipient of one of many undeserved pardons issued by the outgoing President Clinton).
If it's not in the public domain, it's not doing anything to prove your claims. The fact you seem to believe Symington doesn't do anything at all for your credibility, considering he was not only convicted for lying, but his story about the Phoenix UFO doesn't stack up also.
Further, clear footage, does actually exist, again, doubt you have ever seen it, as its not in the public domain, but, here's the scent, for you to chase, two separate pieces of footage, actually, both filmed by pilots, one a 30 year veteren,both pieces of footage, time stamped well before the flares 'set up'
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
I wondered about the Apollo moon footage...was it Apollo 17?
It was real dialog from Apollo 17 but taken so far out of context as to be extremely misleading, which is typical of these UFO documentaries, you can't really trust any of them, as I said in my earlier post:
originally posted by: kanamit
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
You said you were turned off by the recreations from the start. I take it the following quotes were made up?
- What are those things goin' over?
- What is that Jack?
- Hey something just.. GET HERE!
Was that real audio, or a recreation? Please clarify for this newbie. It really is a turn off if that is indeed fake. Lets say it was re-created. Was the original dialogue, if there was any, remotely as exciting as that? Thank you.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
It seems like none of these UFO documentaries ever want the truth to be known. They are merely about entertainment and perpetuating mystery.
See if they can take the front fender off and put it on the back there. They need to know where it broke off.... (overlap) see if it's a feasible procedure.
Okay...(unintelligible). What are those things goin' over?! What is that, Jack?! Hey, something just - GET HERE! What blew? Hey, what is that? Just came flyin' over the top of our heads.
123:28:18 Cernan: Okay. (Reading CDR-35) "Verify (good seal)...SRC (in) plus-Z pad..." What are those things going over? What is that, Jack? Hey, something just hit here!
[Beyond Jack's head, a piece of debris is visible moving north and away from the LM.]
123:28:30 Cernan: What blew? Hey, what is that?
123:28:33 Schmitt: Oh, your antenna...It's that Styrofoam off the high-gain antenna package.
123:28:41 Cernan: On the LM?
123:28:42 Schmitt: No, the one you deployed. The Rover high-gain antenna.
[Another piece of foam packing has exploded because of sunlight heating of trapped gas bubbles.]
123:28:47 Cernan: My God, it blew up!
123:28:49 Schmitt: Yeah.
[Fendell pans to Gene at Jack's seat; he is holding the dustbrush.]
123:28:51 Cernan: I thought we'd been hit by a...Look at that stuff just keeps flying over the top of our heads! I thought we were the closest witnesses to a lunar meteor impact. (Pause) I wonder if that's the same glass I picked up?
[Gene is beginning to realize that the piece of "brown glass" he picked up at the SEP site at 123:03:25 was actually a piece of foam.]