Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: mirageman

Those are called 'expertise statements' (also deflection of course), and
I can think of a journalist and a 'film maker' who do the same thing
when pressured. (just say 'award winning' as a club, etc.).

I also know a certain bear, that has been known to say, "nuclear engineer
with a security clearance" in a similar manner.

a reply to: peaceinoutz and mirageman
I agree with your analysis of Linda
Maybe there are truths in her stories but we will never know. I think she was skillfully manipulated.
I am convinced that Zondo will have the same fate too, too much time has passed ... time is on the side of the Pentagon.
I think this disclosure attempt will fail like the others

a reply to: gippo888

Zondo is slick but the cracks do show. I suspect he may require a break sometime soon ,if only to rest from the never ending podcasts.

a reply to: gippo888

The thing about Zondo is he keeps to his scientific ufo script, despite folks like Linda going into Kuku land and looking for confirmation of her ideas.

What I would ask Zondo is, where’s your proof ufos are a threat? And point out to him, in the past, the government never claimed ufos were any threat.

I think this disclosure attempt will fail like the other

There is or was no disclosure, only the government somewhat admitting they don't know what it is and that's NOT a new position... It's like an alcoholic admitting he has a problem that everybody already knew. That's not disclosure.
The ufo cultists' disclosure is some exotic bizarre government admission they have alien bodies in refrigerators, alien space ships hid, and others stuff.

That did NOT happen and likely WILL NOT happen.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
The thing about Zondo is he keeps to his scientific ufo script, despite folks like Linda going into Kuku land and looking for confirmation of her ideas.
What I would ask Zondo is, where’s your proof ufos are a threat? And point out to him, in the past, the government never claimed ufos were any threat.

I think Zondo bluffed to involve politics, it worked !!
Zondo doesn't know the situation, he has only clues ...
These projects (such as AATIP) have always been separated to prevent staff from having the full picture.

There is or was no disclosure, only the government somewhat admitting they don't know what it is and that's NOT a new position... It's like an alcoholic admitting he has a problem that everybody already knew. That's not disclosure.
The ufo cultists' disclosure is some exotic bizarre government admission they have alien bodies in refrigerators, alien space ships hid, and others stuff.
That did NOT happen and likely WILL NOT happen.

Disclosure is not a revelation but an official confirmation, distinguish the true from the false.

a reply to: mirageman

Linda is into nostalgia, a human thing but of little value to ufo knowledge. And she gobbles up all the original 80s Doty and the IC-inspired disinformation and still disseminates it indicating she is either a willing Bennewitz type dupe or just deluded.

What ufologists don’t want to accept is failure. Ufos are just too elusive a phenomenon to pin down, at this point. I think that’s closer to the truth than much of anything else. That the small percentage of real ufos are...unknown or unknowable.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
What ufologists don’t want to accept is failure. Ufos are just too elusive a phenomenon to pin down, at this point. I think that’s closer to the truth than much of anything else. That the small percentage of real ufos are...unknown or unknowable.

Yes, we cannot understand the reality behind UFOs, perhaps it is linked to consciousness but I think someone has understood their action on people

a reply to: gippo888

Yes, we cannot understand the reality behind UFOs, perhaps it is linked to consciousness but I think someone has understood their action on people

We can understand some reality behind UFOs.

Most sightings are just misperceptions due to various factors. Others are confabulated or exaggerated stories, some are outright hoaxes. UFO stories have been used to cover secret military tests [something the CIA has admitted] and probably to recover crashed space hardware too. I'd also say a large percentage of unsolved cases, where there is not enough information, fall under those categories.

I don't think there is a single answer to what UFOs are. It is like trying to find a single explanation to what makes people ill. If we fully understand 'consciousness' then it 'might' provide us with one answer. But not 'the' answer.

We mentioned the Amazing Kreskin a few pages back. The Derren Brown of the early 70s!!! He made a show with J.Allen Hynek as guest about 50 years ago. At the end he hypnotized volunteers from his audience into seeing UFOs.



If you want to see the specific part only then skip to this point : Timed Link

First they see the UFOs and even back off as they think one is about to ladn. Then they don't even remember.

But maybe what we are seeing is all an illusion too?

a reply to: mirageman

But maybe what we are seeing is all an illusion too?

As has been increasingly written about of late, is that human cognitive
processing is based upon survival value only... our senses cannot truly
sense whether something is true or false.. just a few vague outlines,
enough to keep us alive in a hostile world.

It is wrong to worship materialism as a god... but it's also a mistake to worship
'consciousenss' as a god. (consciousness is the trickster).

There's another 'step forward coming' at some point perhaps, but we aren't there
yet.. some 'fift force', some reformulatio nof quantum theory, some new line of
research.. but we aren't there yet.

originally posted by: mirageman
I don't think there is a single answer to what UFOs are. It is like trying to find a single explanation to what makes people ill. If we fully understand 'consciousness' then it 'might' provide us with one answer. But not 'the' answer.

I agree, I think consciousness is involved in UFO experiences but I don't know how or why
We don't know what consciousness is, we don't know many things about ourselves ... we don't know the most important things. We're just monkeys on plants ... bald monkeys with nuclear missiles, stupid and ridiculous beasts.
I hope a meteorite brings silence to this area of the galaxy !!!

I don't think they are military secret tests, I think the military tried to understand the phenomenon using the same means as "UFOs": consciousness

I agree we don’t know anything conclusively about the ufo phenomenon. And it does have something to do with consciousness, but I mean who knows much about consciousness? Not many, maybe a few mystics who couldn’t even communicate what they know anyway---or even science.

In all my readings John Keel is the most instructive analyst, though I think he doesn’t have by no means the whole picture. His book Mothman Prophesies is not at all about that ugly monster in West Virginia but mostly revolves around his theories and research.

Vallee is also smart but IMO nowhere near Keel in ufo knowledge or experience. Both BTW are and were government IC connected. There we go again, ufos and the government.

Of course, Keel was more an experiencer himself than just a ufologist and may therefore be subject to a lot of issues that detract from his findings.

And TTSA is at the bottom of the barrel of who knows anything.

a reply to: peaceinoutz
I agree, I think the researchers who have come close to the truth are John Keel, Jacques Vallée and Jean Sider
But I think the work of some researchers in the abductions was important, John Mach, Eve Lorgen, Malanga ... the researches are interesting but not the conclusions
Reading their books, I have found that some researchers have a clear feeling that they are being deceived by the phenomenon, eg Keel says it in the book Mothman Prophecies, Colin Andrews in crop circle research and i also believe John Mack.
Personally I am convinced, something is deceiving us !!!
Perhaps something prevents us from understanding what consciousness is ...

a reply to: gippo888

And then again, maybe it’s no great secret to consciousness. I mean, on one level it speaks for itself: its life, feeling, and being.

I think our mystery on this earth, aliens aside or included, is the suffering in our world. Where is the paradise gene, and how to avoid the hell gene, religion aside, as well. In other words, consciousness needs some kind of adjustment.

Aliens and ufos? Deep down or not too deep down, many believe the ufo/alien phenomenon has solutions to the above issues I raise.

a reply to: peaceinoutz
Perhaps the answer is simple ...
Consciousness may need resources, such as the body
The resources of consciousness could be emotions and feelings.
Material reality based on survival produces a great many emotions and feelings

Salvador Freixedo - Defendámonos de los dioses
Eve Lorgen - The love byte

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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Just a hypothesis or a story for a sci-fi movie, perfect for gnostic brothers (sisters) Wachowski

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originally posted by: gippo888
I hope a meteorite brings silence to this area of the galaxy !!!

if you wanna die, that's your choice, but leave several billion humans living on this planet out of your mental illness, you retarded monkey.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: gippo888
a reply to: peaceinoutz
Perhaps the answer is simple ...
Consciousness may need resources, such as the body
The resources of consciousness could be emotions and feelings.
Material reality based on survival produces a great many emotions and feelings

Salvador Freixedo - Defendámonos de los dioses
Eve Lorgen - The love byte

[hypothesis/theory]Awareness, which acts like a field, does indeed need resources,
for consciousenss to be possible. Very astute.

consciousness isn't a product of the material world. it's the other way around.

mind over matter.

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