Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: peaceinoutz

You aren't wrong ;-)

However....

i have nothing against 'god' existing. I have nothing against the notion that the
entire Universe is alive, or that we are in a simualtion.

However..

As I have studied the subject very carefully...

as Quantum computeing professors will tell you, the only way to simulate the Unvierse in a computer
is to have the same resources available as the Unvierse itself.

Thus..

Humasn minds are too little to KNOW whether a god or god's exist, or any other
such grandiose claims.

By science itslef, it's physically impossible to know this.

So we can't know things at that level.

What this leads to, is HUMANS creating 'God images', such as all the major
religions do.

These are human constructs, very flawed, and actually, quite often,
anti-life, anti-human and anti-sanity. They are all an overreach.

So...

Quite cool with any concept being possibly true.. but bring evidence.

And nobody can bring actual 'evidence' about 'god'.

I quite dislike toxic human creations spouting off about god.

But if 'god' is real?

No problem at all...

But even if 'god' came down and turned me into a newt, and then
I 'got bettah', that would mean nothing. Simply that I believed
that it happened, or if it 'actually' happened, it could have simply
been some powerful being (or technology).

Who am I to say, or anyone to say anything 'god'?

It can' be done with any veracity.

Hell, I spent almost 60 years studying 'consiousness', i'm the last person
anyone should claim doesn't have an open mind.

Kev

Keith B's Latest Blog summarizes a recent interview with Garry Nolan. It takes us back to the 'experiencer group' highlighted on page 1 of the first thread in this trilogy some four years ago now. A group of people who had supposedly encountered UAP and suffered various symptoms including "enigmatic injuries, burns, skin lesions, cancer and diseases."

However, reading this new blog it would appear that the story has changed somewhat and these 'experiences' aren't connected to UAP...

Q : Is Havana syndrome attributed to UAP?

Nolan : No. 80-100 patients. No explanation as to how they had come to be hurt. Range of symptoms. This was around 2012/2013. (2). handed it over to Kit Green. In 2018/2019 cases of Havana syndrome peaked. Kit realized that our patients had symptoms similar to Havana syndrome. Took them out of our cohort...

Q: Hitchhiker effect? (9). Is that a trackable thing?

Nolan: It's trackable. It's an inflammatory event. I need acute case - few days after the event. Take blood then...

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a reply to: mirageman

There's a slight confusion here. I did, a few years ago, talk to GN personally
about this research projects.

There certainly was a project that sought to analyze brain, neurological and
other damage from THEORIZED non-inonizing radiation. Heck, those pictures
of brain scans were posted right here on ATS.

Some people wanted to tie that into the 'hostile UAP BS', though personally
I (in my not-fully informed opnion) think it more likely that such damage
was due to prosaic radiation exposure from something in common use in
the military, or at best, something experimental.

There was another project, the 'so-called antenna project' of experiencers;
that too hasn't been a secret for while.. you can probbly still find remnants
of stuff on that on the web.

Finally, there was that 'hysteria' about a certain 'Britian's Roswell' witness
DNA.

The "hitchhiker effect' seems more a marketing thing, that term.. and while
it is related to biological interactions with some unknown 'field/thing',
it's hard to say which side of the house in terms of research projects
that old data from SWR fell into.

Anyway.. being nitpicky I suppose... I don't see anything purposefully
disingenuous here..

But i'm dubious about Havanah syndrom being thrown into the melting
pot here... a lot of reputable people think it's related to ultrasonics,
not anything ionizing or non-ionizing emf at all.

I don't know if this resposne was helpful or not.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't think we have enough information to say exactly what is going on and whether folk are being disingenuous. What we do have though is a change in emphasis. These 'experiencers' were being linked with UAP/UFO encounters a few years ago. Whereas now the slant is on 'Havana Syndrome'.

It could be two entirely different groups of people affected. Or maybe there is some other agenda going on here?

a reply to: mirageman

Fair enough!

Beats the hell out of me.

But hungry occult scientists and governmet spooks alike, and
really any person (it's human nature), tends to spitball, to get
their 5 minutes of fame or funding or whatever...

Whatever is ' trendy' is sometimes latched onto, for someone's
agenda.

No question that!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Finally, there was that 'hysteria' about a certain 'Britian's Roswell' witness
DNA.

You mean John Burroughs etc. Yes, they spun an interesting party line re all that considering both Burroughs and Penniston already suspected/ knew the DNA thing, before Green and Nolan appeared to confirm. A lot of hoopla surrounds that. I mean fun and games.

Onwards the show goes, where to nobody really knows ....

a reply to: mirageman

It could be two entirely different groups of people affected. Or maybe there is some other agenda going on here?

It's like playing the guessing game is reading this .

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But hungry occult scientists and governmet spooks alike, and really any person (it's human nature), tends to spitball, to get their 5 minutes of fame or funding or whatever...

Indeed. This could all be an attempt to swamp gaslight people to gain contracts and funding for their hobbies.

a reply to: mirageman

or maybe they are buying their tickets to get off earth with the SSP

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Humasn minds are too little to KNOW whether a god or god's exist, or any other
such grandiose claims.

Small right, that’s what I mean by impressions and prejudices, you’ve made my point.

But the theory of the best of metaphysics ( the root of religion) is man can understand certain ( higher) things through cultivation, a hard path though.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

You might be interested hearing this...

Some people get treated like 'holy people' / 'self-actualized' / 'sages' etc,
because they were aware in the womb and precocius as children.

Well, i was aware in the womb, precocius, and in fact had two different cults
want to promote me as some local/international holy man based on things like
that.

And you know what?

I have high functioning autism. I had savant syndrome even, that faded away
over time.

And studies have been done, showing that autistic folks such as myself, can
undergo rapid/premature brain development starting in the second trimester
(according to the national institute of health).

So.. I'd just recommend you be careful with assumptions about 'cultivation'.
I could talk to you about that for a month straight, as I was on that path
for a really long time.

But in the end... autistic.. was the better answer, than a lot of incorrect
answers.

This is the same sort of bad assumptin, that has caused UFOlogy to bloat
up into this silly toxic mess, just like other religions.


Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's just another theory, as far as I'm concerned. And that theory works somewhat. I've seen killers and dopers reform become better people, not enlightened saints at all but better humans. And sometimes it backfires and because the moral or virtues are ignored becomes worse. All our sciences the subtle and gross seem to be tough...

anyway back to TTSA underneath, an example of when it becomes worse.

Oh, and one more thing. You'll like this. As for God
Many say God is an absentee landlord. I don't think so

I say God is a slimlord!

I just had a thought. Is it a coincidence TTSA ran out of gas at the same time we have basically the revival of the cold war with Russia?
Coincidence? We know they had the threat meme and went all political which equals continued defense expenditures, now that the cold war is heating up who needs aliens?

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Yup.

There are still 'occult things' in my life; there may always be.

I simply seek the best theory for the known data, and yes,
for me at least, science does a great job about 99% of the time.

At one time, 'science' was the occult thing, during the dark ages
when the evil remnant of the Roman empire ruled much of the
world, indirectly at least.

I guess I do want to make one fine dinsacrenment here however;
that is that I DON'T CARE if there are only prosaic answsers or
a mix of answer types, or if in fact, we live on the back of giant
turtles all the way down. I don't CARE about gods and souls and
UFOs. If they are there ... great... I guess... if none of them are
there... great... I guess.. they are all just cognitive frameworks
to help us make sense of theories, which will never actually
be proven, ever, ever ever. That is the core nature of Epistemology
and Ontology).

All we can truly do, is attempt to enjoy the journey..

Kev

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Well, as

ILLUMINATIONS: The UFO Experience as a Parapsychological Event Paperback – August 17, 2015
by Eric Ouellet

would say, perhaps UFO waves, or even as might be said in 'The Trickster and the
Paranormal", waves of deconstructive/liminal outbreakss might happenen during periods of societal
unrest, and yes, that often precedes a war.

I talked a fair bit wtih Eric; he has a very interesting, but non-conclusive book there.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

there is a lot of strife in the world right now and all that 'energy' has to go somewhere.

maybe things like foo fighters and other phenomena are seen during wars is 2 fold 1. maybe a secret weapon 2. just the for lack of a better word physic energy concentrated in small areas like the bombing raids in WWll plus the mass death like in Dresden would draw observers and maybe the collective unconscious manifesting objects we people fear like craft in the air that might be on the way to bomb your town or a special forces team attacking a village.

as bad as the nazi's were i think they were onto something with their studies in black magic and old religions to summon these constructs and control them. Or maybe even contacting the 'others' for ideas for crazy Wunderwaffes or to project themself into the enemies mind for any host of reasons.

Excuse me...Slumlord. My typing is terrible.

a reply to: noscopebacon

There is a mystery here; it's hard to say what would be
scarier; for science to figure it out first, or some crazed
occultist to do better than ever has been done before.

Fortunatley there's several inherent safety-mechanisms
in place.

This is quite an interesting video. Dr Nolan is busy.


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I just watched Ancient Aliens and this Israeli big shot claimed some kind of certainty there’s a galactic federation going around the governments know about. Then there’s the Canadian Hilliard who has for years made this claim. I’m listening to these ancient alien clowns spout all this galactic federation stuff while thinking about Russia getting ready to invade little Ukraine, and all the wars, and starvation and now disease and there talking about some galactic BS federation. What the hell are they doing IF such a theory is at all true.

If it is maybe the point is what are humans doing to help themselves while relying on these aliens.

Why doesn’t the Israeli guy make peace with the Palestinians instead of worrying about some galactic federation?


It's the same thing with Zondo. Get a job man and stop worrying about alien threats. The threat is from humans with nukes