Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: McGinty
Oh and let's add the fact that UK Government has now ordered research into Ivermectin as a treatment for low viral cases.
If that comes back in a positive light, that will cancel the Emergency Use 'licence', sorry unlicensed medicine.
Why are they looking to this now? You know my suspicions.

Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
a reply to: angelchemuel

Yeah, read that this morning too.
Confidence in the Johnsson & Johnsson vaccine is going to drop like a stone.
It wasn't very high to begin with...

Edit : This just in from the Guardian live Feed at 8.03am :

"A very quick Reuters snap here that this morning on BFM TV, France’s health minister Olivier Veran said “The Virus is doubling every five days.”
The statement comes a day after president Emmanuel Macron announced a mandatory vaccination order for health workers."

Yay, doubling every 5 days in France, this is going to be fun.

You think that's "fun"? That's nice. Not.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Don’t want to speak for MB, but I read that as irony, as in not fun at.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Don’t want to speak for MB, but I read that as irony, as in not fun at.

Maybe. But irony is on short supply on here
...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I'm an ardent pessimist
I was posting in irony, or sarcasm.
Poo is/may hit the fan over here, but at least I have a front seat.


A major Train line is closing for a month as of the 15th July.
People will have to crowd together on other lines to get around this.
Due to vaccinations, most people will be going away in August, late August now for some.

We had 6950 new cases today.
Thankfully the death numbers are low, but we'll see where we are in a week or two.
From an epidemiological point of view, this is indeed going to be fun

(I have yet again taken my 2 weeks hols at a perfect time, i'll be back at work on the 26th. Observer from here to there.)

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I'm an ardent pessimist

I was posting in irony, or sarcasm.
Poo is/may hit the fan over here, but at least I have a front seat.

A major Train line is closing for a month as of the 15th July.
People will have to crowd together on other lines to get around this.
Due to vaccinations, most people will be going away in August, late August now for some.

We had 6950 new cases today.
Thankfully the death numbers are low, but we'll see where we are in a week or two.
From an epidemiological point of view, this is indeed going to be fun

(I have yet again taken my 2 weeks hols at a perfect time, i'll be back at work on the 26th. Observer from here to there.)

Boris is a Twat. Prepare for disaster.

a reply to: angelchemuel

I hope the UK government is not just offering lip service. If it does such a test, it will discover what all the others have discovered--Ivermectin is an excellent treatment.

If the UK government is anything like the US government, and it often appears to be, it may very will suppress the truth so that the Covid Narrative can be sustained.

a reply to: Salander
Probably not.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Don’t want to speak for MB, but I read that as irony, as in not fun at.

Maybe. But irony is on short supply on here
...

And sometimes irony is not a laughing matter

Rainbows
Jane

We haven't heard from that sensei of scientific expertise TheAMEDDDoc in a while.

If you're out there lurking, i'm sure i speak for all of us in wishing you and the family well.

a reply to: McGinty



This is interesting the Vaccinated people are testing positive for more than the unvaccinated. But the symptoms are not as severe. It looks very much like the way Spanish flue played out, it petered out into common cold fingers crossed.

a reply to: anonentity

Fingers crossed indeed!

A few threads are saying that this proves the vaccine causes Covid. However, there’s major variables at play; sheer numbers infected are rising incredibly quickly (in the U.K.) and if the public at large can be reflected in ATS opinions, then many of those vaccinated wrongly assume they’re now immune, so they’re bound to get infected far more easily that the unvaccinated.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: McGinty



This is interesting the Vaccinated people are testing positive for more than the unvaccinated. But the symptoms are not as severe. It looks very much like the way Spanish flue played out, it petered out into common cold fingers

crossed.

Ah, but are they infectious to others? That seems like a story that will show up in the MSM, well, NEVER.

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: McGinty



This is interesting the Vaccinated people are testing positive for more than the unvaccinated. But the symptoms are not as severe. It looks very much like the way Spanish flue played out, it petered out into common cold fingers

crossed.

Ah, but are they infectious to others? That seems like a story that will show up in the MSM, well, NEVER.

I recall ‘science’ saying a while back that vaccinated people that contract covid can still infect others, but to a lessor degree. So, in short the answer’s yes, but since we’ve heard so little about it that probably means they’ve not a clue past that binary nugget of semi-knowledge. They need anecdotal evidence and Boris Johnson has ever so kindly volunteered the English public as the guinea pigs.

…Which seems to be going well, as I already know of one fully vaccinated person who just tested positive after attending the Euro’s final at Wembley. Honestly, how could anyone go to that aerosol-mixing party and not expect to go home with a new addition to their cellular cargo? Imagine the carnage starting next week when the rest of the nation hits the streets, shops, bars, clubs and football games greedily gobbling up and adding to the thick cloud of Covid aerosols that’ll invisibly fog up all of these locations.

And in the midst of this mayhem of droplets will be the vaccinated who are not only at greater risk of contracting Covid because they now think they’re immune, so they don’t distance, don’t wear a mask, but for these same reasons will pose a greater threat of infecting others.

This conveniently ignored threat posed by the vaccinated spreaders may well be the most vital piece of knowledge in the whole ball game, because infected vaccinated people passing on their virus will be a major highway for potentially vaccine resistant variants…. I’m guessing (I stress to add). To my meagre knowledge a vaccine resistant variant could arise randomly from anyone... But surely those hosting the virus with that vaccine already in their system are more likely to create a mutation in some way related to how that vaccine works; it would’ve had to overcome it, so aren’t those individuals then passing on a version of Covid that is retooled to overcome that vaccine?

Like I said, it’s a hypothesis based on meagre knowledge, so perhaps the better informed here can confirm, or correct me. My reasoning is in no way based on science, but rather occum’s razor and may be naively misguided, but nevertheless seems entirely logical from my sofa!

We need to weigh the R number decrease from vaccination against the R number increase from vaccinated individuals dispensing with containment measures. The latter isn’t being considered in the narrative being spun by the gov and their MSM. But I think it will be a hugely influential factor and will lead to a far bigger wave than we’ve so far experienced.

Vaccines may mitigate the deadliness of that wave to some extent, but the sheer numbers of new infections created by ‘freedom day’ in combination with the mass wilful ignorance and denial of the fact that the vaccine does not confer full immunity will ultimately result in a full on run on the NHS, more deaths than before and Long-Covid sufferers from across all demographics of epic proportions.

It sounds like doomporn, of which I’m no fan, but it’s the course the U.K. seems now to be set on. Unless by some miracle there’s a mutiny, finally wrestling the wheel from this captain Bligh of a government to turn this ship about, then what lies ahead is only salt water and madness.

a reply to: McGinty

There is also the scenario that of the given amount of people living cheek by jowl in the UK most of the population have already had a dose of Covid. Now they are picking up a variant that they already have antibodies for., and are suffering cold-like symptoms. People testing positive with regards to the numbers is totally dependent on the numbers of tests being done. Just like the common cold, you can have one a few times in the season simply because it's a different strain each time. A big percentage of the population won't even know they have had a dose of Covid, but on the other hand, it will hammer an already compromised immune system. Has the yearly flu just suddenly disappeared? a good dose of flu is a lot worse than the common cold.
This has got too political to follow with regards to the propaganda. Common sense certainly would be to ere on the side of caution, with regards to vaccines, which is what a good percentage of the population is doing and are asserting their personal freedom with regards to their bodies. To say there is no corruption and payoffs in this vaccine debacle would be a perfect statement, and since there is no such thing as perfection. It just means that we will never see the recipients to whom payoffs and types of payoffs are paid. As there is no independent press, along with one single entity owning most of the msm , and since a Democracy has to be essentially Socialistic. where even idiots have their say as a given right . We can only hope that we get a break.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Hopefully he watches this, a most interesting video from a patent specialist of over 20 years.

He shows that Moderna had the patent for CovID and the cure, prior to the “scamdemic”.

It’s seemingly all about money.

Compelling Video

a reply to: McGinty

Which highlights my worry. The unvaccinated have a WHOLE lot more to worry about concerning close contact with the vaccinated than the vaccinated have to worry about coming in close contact with the unvaccinated. Which seems to be an ugly fact being studiously ignored and whitewashed over by the MSM. Now why is that? Because it gives people just one more reason why they shouldn't take the vaccine? Surely litigation stemming from culpability of the vaccine makers making a dangerous situation much more dangerous by releasing an army of asymptomatic, or nearly so, spreaders doesn't worry them because of the blanket immunity they have been granted by apparently all the governments of the world. And you do have to wonder how that happened that ALL governments toed the line to grant this immunity to liability, don't you? The ENTIRE WORLD agreed to this?

But suppose governments shift gears to forcibly vaccinate all that they can catch, by hook or by crook, regardless of those peoples' desires to NOT take the vaccines. By taking such a non-negotiable step, haven't those persons in charge shifted the neutered legal culpability from the providers of the vaccines onto their own shoulders as an active legal culpability by not giving their citizens their own responsibility for their own decisions concerning safety? Or have those governments contemplating such a drastic step also exempted themselves from legal liability if that comes to pass? But even so, if this becomes a screw-up of monumental proportions, they cannot exempt themselves from liability at the ballot box. Well, perhaps here in the USA they have already displayed a pretty blatant immunity to the voting public's wishes, so no worries on their part now for ANY decisions they force upon us now.

BTW, the thought has crossed my mind concerning all of the severe problems noted early on in this COVID thing about the incidence of a "cytokine storm" in some COVID victims. What happened to that in current times? Seems to me the vaccine would more likely make this a more severe problem than a lesser one when a vaccinated person does meet up with the real deal virus in the wild. The immune system is primed and ready to do battle, so what stops the overdrive condition going to category 5 storm conditions in the body? Isn't this what happened in animal trials looking for a vaccine for the original SARS virus? Yet it seems like this has become just a non issue. Or is it still a problem but has been renamed to something like "allergic reaction" to make it sound much more benign in the medical records?

Why the hard push for vaccine compliance? Do the governments of the world REALLY care for our welfare so much that they are willing to force us (at gunpoint?) to take the vaccine "for our own good", no matter what we would voluntarily choose for our own bodies? What would happen to the virus at 100% vaccine compliance across the world?

I guess I just smell a rat somewhere.