Comparing CORONAVIRUS to other infectious disease's from the past

I watched a programme yesterday where the presenter gave a 'visual' presentation

on the previous eight pandemics in history, and comparing it to the current

coronavirus infection.


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Do you think in that context we are over panicing?

As someone who is in the higher risk factor..... I think I am able to say...... maybe

its nature acting out in its own interest OR is it a world wide economical

conspiracy ?

Nice comparison


I personnally think that they are exploiting this WuFlu situation for their own agenda...to get further in the road for Orwellian society.

Do you think in that context we are over panicing?

When in doubt , use logic and history.

originally posted by: Kenzo
Nice comparison


I personnally think that they are exploiting this WuFlu situation for their own agenda...to get further in the road for Orwellian society.

Yep, the virus doesn't have to kill everyone it simply needs to spark enough fear to collapse the system. Never let a crisis go to waste eh...

What's next a vaccine/chip to make sure you're a citizen...

a reply to: eletheia

i am deeply predudiced against mr vine - he is a cretin

but - to attack his methodology

comparing an on going desiese that thas been wild for > 40 years - to an emergant pandemic that is < 4 months old

is so utterly assanine - it hurts

whoo hoo - mr vine has once again demonstrated why i think he is a cretin

a reply to: ignorant_ape

There's 5 stages to greif we all get to acceptance in our own time.

No, I don't think they are panicking.

The epidemiological models of the spread of Covid-19 are evolving. For a start, no one really knows what goes on in China so the impact of Covid-19 is unknown. Does anyone believe a word the Chinese authorities say? Regardless, how the desease spreads through a developed nation is going to de different from how it spreads through a repressive dictatorship (like China) or a developong nation like Nigeria.

At a predicted 2% mortality in the developed world the impact would be very grave, not including the many people left with life-changing lung damage. For example, in the UK if (say) 500,000 people contracting the desease, then that's a 10,000 toll in life. If the desease swept through Nigeria, where healthcare is rudimentary at best, the toll would be very high indeed.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

comparing an on going desiese that thas been wild for > 40 years - to an emergant pandemic that is < 4 months old

That's 100% right. I don't understand why is so hard to see that.

Yes, absolutely! I am also in the higher risk category, I am 64 and I have asthma but this closing down of everything makes me furious.

Why can't us old folks decide for ourselves whether we should stay home or not? And now I can't even go to church.

Right now it feels to me like we are living in a Communist country.

a reply to: eletheia

The moves that the usa government are making right now makes me feel like this virus doesn't even matter anymore.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

exactly , if system/economy start dive ....not good.

That is a good video. Like he said though, this virus is not over. This virus does kill a lot more older people though, but older people do die a lot from infections of various kinds all the time, their immune systems are weakened because of their age and slowed metabolism.

For all the hustle bustle going on, and the damage to our economy, I feel that this is an over reaction. Some of the people in Italy may have died from the flu or just got some other bug too, yes this coronavirus is not good, but it is being blown out of proportion a little too much. Yes, I see high risk people always having a time when they go shopping that is lower risk, but often the high risk people also harbor diseases because their immune system does not help to protect them from getting the disease. Now the time to avoid going to the store is when a high risk group is not there I think. It will work if there is a real good social isolation policy going on, but not just pile all old people in the store at one time. Lots of old people are sick, they get sick easily.

I legit have to wonder what is in the briefings that is making heads of government take such massive responses. Like, way above and beyond what the purported stats are showing.

originally posted by: rickymouse
That is a good video. Like he said though, this virus is not over. This virus does kill a lot more older people though, but older people do die a lot from infections of various kinds all the time, their immune systems are weakened because of their age and slowed metabolism.

Lol!!! Even without a virus the older one gets ...... the nearer to death?

You could say "age is a death sentence"

For all the hustle bustle going on, and the damage to our economy, I feel that this is an over reaction. Some of the people in Italy may have died from the flu or just got some other bug too, yes this coronavirus is not good, but it is being blown out of proportion a little too much.

I think the world economy is being damaged, at the time of Brexit both

Italy and Spain's economy were on the verge of collapse, makes me think

that this has been maneuvered for some reason to perhaps restart the

world economy.

Yes, I see high risk people always having a time when they go shopping that is lower risk, but often the high risk people also harbor diseases because their immune system does not help to protect them from getting the disease. Now the time to avoid going to the store is when a high risk group is not there I think. It will work if there is a real good social isolation policy going on, but not just pile all old people in the store at one time. Lots of old people are sick, they get sick easily.

If people weren't hoarding (and why are they?) the elderly would be able to

get their shopping as per as they always did.

The old have always self quarantied, due to natural circumstances of reaching

an age where most of their peers are deceased. Loneliness is another disease

of the aged.

originally posted by: Marid Audran
I legit have to wonder what is in the briefings that is making heads of government take such massive responses. Like, way above and beyond what the purported stats are showing.

As many people are wondering the very same, would you hazard a guess as

to why?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: rickymouse
That is a good video. Like he said though, this virus is not over. This virus does kill a lot more older people though, but older people do die a lot from infections of various kinds all the time, their immune systems are weakened because of their age and slowed metabolism.

Lol!!! Even without a virus the older one gets ...... the nearer to death?

You could say "age is a death sentence"

For all the hustle bustle going on, and the damage to our economy, I feel that this is an over reaction. Some of the people in Italy may have died from the flu or just got some other bug too, yes this coronavirus is not good, but it is being blown out of proportion a little too much.

I think the world economy is being damaged, at the time of Brexit both

Italy and Spain's economy were on the verge of collapse, makes me think

that this has been maneuvered for some reason to perhaps restart the

world economy.

Yes, I see high risk people always having a time when they go shopping that is lower risk, but often the high risk people also harbor diseases because their immune system does not help to protect them from getting the disease. Now the time to avoid going to the store is when a high risk group is not there I think. It will work if there is a real good social isolation policy going on, but not just pile all old people in the store at one time. Lots of old people are sick, they get sick easily.

If people weren't hoarding (and why are they?) the elderly would be able to

get their shopping as per as they always did.

The old have always self quarantied, due to natural circumstances of reaching

an age where most of their peers are deceased. Loneliness is another disease

of the aged.

I know half a dozen older people who fell down the steps and died, unsteady from new medications the doctors added which they were not used to yet. A lot more old people in this country died of pneumonia from the flu in the last month than died from this virus in America. We get old, and we die. One way or another the grim reaper gets us, how much quality of life I get is more important than worrying about dying.

But the doctors do not inform patients about how the meds will effect quality of life when they prescribe them. I must know ten people personally that went to a special doctor to evaluate cross reactivity in the meds. They did some bloodwork, then took them off three quarters of their pills that were prescribed by multiple doctors. That is the problem, doctors do not want to question a specialists prescriptions and the specialist does not want to take away the regular doctors prescriptions, some sort of professional courtesy or something.

A friend of mine's wife was on twenty six pills a day and she was at the emergency room and in the hospital at least three times last year, finally her doctor called in one of these doctors and he switched one of her original meds she was intolerant to and dropped half of her other meds and now she is feeling pretty good, but is still taking three meds twice a day and an inhaler when needed. This was done about three months ago, she feels good enough now that she thinks she may be able to actually work a little in the garden again. She had prescriptions from four doctors running at the same time.

She did not die because her primary doctor finally called in someone to straighten out her meds.

originally posted by: eletheia
I watched a programme yesterday where the presenter gave a 'visual' presentation

on the previous eight pandemics in history, and comparing it to the current

coronavirus infection.


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Do you think in that context we are over panicing?

As someone who is in the higher risk factor..... I think I am able to say...... maybe

its nature acting out in its own interest OR is it a world wide economical

conspiracy ?

To some degree I think we are over doing it - However for people comparing Corona to the flu - let me ask you when was the last time the flu ravaged Italy's healthcare system?

The answer is never. Stop saying Corona is not as bad as the flu - that is total BS.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
whoo hoo - mr vine has once again demonstrated why i think he is a cretin

I would blame the producer first.
Then the props department.
Then the audience.

Of course without a thorough scientific study I shouldn't make fun.

Now... Where are my beach balls?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Marid Audran
I legit have to wonder what is in the briefings that is making heads of government take such massive responses. Like, way above and beyond what the purported stats are showing.

As many people are wondering the very same, would you hazard a guess as

to why?

Think they doing everything to try keep the healthcare system in operation. If the virus spread unchecked the healthcare system would be swamped within weeks (like italy). Resulting in much higher death rate and perhaps even widespread panic.

South Korea has done far more testing and isolated far more spreaders (their mortality rate is perhaps more accurate at .6% ) which has started to reduce their countries total infections down 10% in last 7 days.

So when production of test kits can be ramped up we won't need isolate so many people.

originally posted by: tattooedlunchlady
Yes, absolutely! I am also in the higher risk category, I am 64 and I have asthma but this closing down of everything makes me furious.

Why can't us old folks decide for ourselves whether we should stay home or not? And now I can't even go to church.

Right now it feels to me like we are living in a Communist country.

Almost all countries are the same, the only difference is how the money flows after the upper classes use it.