Science indicates evolution of species.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
How does down syndrome fit in the theory of evolution?

Not something I have researched, but it does show that chromosomes can change with drastic effects. In this case the IQ is typically below 80 and prominent physical features are shared with others with the same condition. It also demonstrates how these drastic changes can lead to why humans are so different than chimps as in we have one chromosome fused to make 23 pairs and great apes have that one chromosome not fused to make 24 pairs. The fusing of the one chromosome turned out to be a very good evolutionary trait that was passed on. Down syndrome is not an evolutionary trait that can survive to be passed on until very recent times. If it was a good trait much of the world would have it today. Lets say down syndrome gave a person 200 IQ and super strength and speed, but they looked once again more chimp like. Today we would see them as the alpha race and us little humans might have gone the way of the other 6+ human types did in the past.

The very bases of evolution comes down to what traits good or bad are past on from generations to generations. Good ones typical live on and bad one typically do not make it, but changes are always happening...

a reply to: Phantom423

I have never understood why they cannot accept evolution as God's work. I have said a million of times..all evolution is trying to do is explain how life may have progressed while it doesn't answer or even try answer the question of "why is life here".

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

Are you sure you weren't pulling abstract thoughts out of thin air and making them real like magic?

Not sure of your question...What around you wasn't an abstract thought first? Your computer is made up of millions of abstract thoughts...I say that is magic, don't you? Did we not have 1000 Gods in the past...

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

Its not glowing...

So are you saying babies do not imitate behavior they see their parents do?

originally posted by: cooperton

If the adaptation was dormant in the organism to begin with, then obviously it is part of its pre-set arsenal to handle various stressors. Take for example bacteria turning up production of detoxification genes to handle antibiotics... it's not evolution, they are simply using something they already had to handle an environmental stress

This is a correct statement... It is not evolution... Evolution is only what is transferred from mother to child. If the bacteria changed in anyway and from that point forward future bacteria carried that change then that is evolution.

The reason why humans have so many issues after the age of 40 is because evolution stops about at that age, so things like diseases/cancer, big drops in body chemicals, joints, teeth etc wearing out...All start to have exponentially drastic effects on humans.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance


People who believe in God are said to be delusional and they try and prove this with science.

Belief is simply a part of the spirit of someone, a part of the heart (non-physical)

But evolution is not a discussion for intelligent design, or not....It is simply a discussion in how life evolves over time vs spontaneous life creation from nothing into a complex unique organism with no history or timeline.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Phantom423

I have never understood why they cannot accept evolution as God's work. I have said a million of times..all evolution is trying to do is explain how life may have progressed while it doesn't answer or even try answer the question of "why is life here".

That's easy. Money. Ken Ham has been bilking the taxpayers in Kentucky for over 20 years. The bottom line is no religious scam, no dollars coming in. It's always been about the money. The Bible is just the master prop they use for the scam.

“”Our Board believes Ken's comments to be unnecessary, ungodly, and mean-spirited statements that are divisive at best and defamatory at worst.
—Brennan Dean, Great Homeschool Conventions[1]
Ken Ham, also known as Ken Sham, is the problematic president and CEO of Answers in Genesis, a Christian apologetics ministry, and a Bible-ical literalist.

Although he hails from Australia, where beer does flow and men chunder all the kangaroos floated during the Flood, he now lives permanently in Kentucky, in his office in the Creation "Museum". Ham wants children to be Indoctrinated taught "to think biblically"[2] (which is for certain values of think, of course). On a mission from God, he is a frequent speaker at homeschooling conferences and creationist events, where one of his favorite "arguments" is "Were you there?"[3]

Ham is also the originator of the eponymous debating technique known as the "Ham Hightail". He is known for ruthlessly blocking people on twitter who disagree with him.

rationalwiki.org...

Cooperton, Hovind and a few others we are familiar with are right in there with Ham promoting the scam.

Character description
According to esteemed biologist and blogger PZ Myers, writing "to" Ham:

Millions of people, including some of the most knowledgeable biologists in the world, think just about every day that you are an airhead, an ass, a birdbrain, a blockhead, a bonehead, a boob, a bozo, a charlatan, a cheat, a chowderhead, a chump, a clod, a con artist, a crackpot, a crank, a crazy, a cretin, a dimwit, a dingbat, a dingleberry, a dipstick, a ditz, a dolt, a doofus, a dork, a dum-dum, a dumb-ass, a dumbo, a dummy, a dunce, a dunderhead, a fake, a fathead, a fraud, a fruitcake, a gonif, a halfwit, an idiot, an ignoramus, an imbecile, a jackass, a jerk, a jughead, a knucklehead, a kook, a lamebrain, a loon, a loony, a lummox, a meatball, a meathead, a moron, a mountebank, a nincompoop, a ninny, a nitwit, a numbnuts, a numbskull, a nut, a nutcase, a peabrain, a pinhead, a racketeer, a sap, a scam artist, a screwball, a sham, a simpleton, a snake oil salesman, a thickhead, a turkey, a twerp, a twit, a wacko, a close-minded douche, a woodenhead, and much, much worse.[13]

Ham can't consistently maintain peaceful relations with fellow Christians:

The Brisbane-based Creation Ministries International has filed a lawsuit in Queensland's Supreme Court against Mr Ham and his Kentucky-based Answers in Genesis ministry seeking damages and accusing him of deceptive conduct in his dealings with the Australian organisation. (...) A 40-page report, (...) reveals a bitter power struggle across the Pacific that began with a challenge to the power Mr Ham allegedly wielded over the ministries. (...) The joint Australian-US push for reforms came amid concerns over Mr Ham's domination of the ministries, the amount of money being spent on his fellow executives and a shift away from delivering the creationist message to raising donations. In his report, Mr Briese said Mr Ham and the US organisation responded with sackings, bullying and, in some instances, "unbiblical/unethical/unlawful behaviour" towards the Australian ministry that he suspected was intended to send it into bankruptcy. (...) CMI has no option left except to bring AiG-USA before the secular courts, the 'powers that be ordained by God' under Romans 13.[14]

He has been called "willfully ignorant" by Old Earth Creationist Greg Neyman.[15] Journalist Daniel Radosh is even more scathing in his description:

I realized with some surprise that Ken Ham scared me. I wasn't physically afraid. I didn't think he'd haul off and punch me if I told him that I was a humanist. But his grim affect and coldly irrational imitation of rationality struck me as borderline sociopathic… Later I read an essay Ham wrote for Creation magazine on the second anniversary of September 11: "After the 9/11 attack, I had someone say to me: 'I'm glad I wasn't in the World Trade Center — I would have died.' I replied, 'Well, don't worry, your turn is coming.'" Who thinks that way? Who thinks Jesus wants them to think that way?[16][note 1]

Even those who agree with him criticize him for ad hominem attacks which might be defamatory.[1]

www.au.org...

All this should sound very familiar - all you need do is read Cooperton's posts and you will see a Ham clone in action. Practically verbatim sometimes.

Creationism is a religious scam perpetrated by immoral scammers. Everyone is free to believe in their own god(s). But they are NOT free to scam the public with obvious fraud.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't think anyone claims life from nothing except the non-believers.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't think anyone claims life from nothing except the non-believers.

I took out the word "nothing"

Spontaneous life creations into complex unique organisms with no history or timeline.

Better?

a reply to: Xtrozero

How did they come to the conclusion it's a merged chromosome? Does it look any different that the rest?

a reply to: Xtrozero

eh?

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Yea, wikipedia says it looks different.

Why do chromosomes merge? They say they merged but can they tell what merged it? And what was the cause of that? And the cause of that that?

I figure it begins with natural forces. But where did the natural forces appear from again? Not created by a sky daddy with a magic wand, isn't it?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

Why do chromosomes merge? They say they merged but can they tell what merged it? And what was the cause of that? And the cause of that that?

With the latest gene sequencing it shows that there is remnant of the centromere of one of the two chimp chromosomes that merged to form human chromosome 2... I think chromosome 2 is out biggest and a change like that is huge...was huge...

In other words go study up on it...lol

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

Why do chromosomes merge? They say they merged but can they tell what merged it? And what was the cause of that? And the cause of that that?

Why does dome syndrome gain an extra one? With a million things affecting evolution pick your flavor as to why. Radiation most likely played a big part, maybe even diseases...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Monkey see Monkey do.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Monkey see Monkey do.

So funny, and so true....

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Xtrozero

Monkey see Monkey do.

Two words ... toilet paper

a reply to: TzarChasm

You will be lucky in the current climate.

But aye everybody's after that stuff.

Humans do not need to wipe their bottom, we just choose to as it feels more comfortable, nevermind a hell of a lot more hygienic or to remove poo between our bum cheeks.

And if you wear clothes, poo can get on them if it's left around unremoved.

So it's a choice really, and a prudent one at that.

a reply to: Xtrozero

But what is it worth studying science fiction?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

But what is it worth studying science fiction?

In your case I think you would be wasting your time...