Corona Virus Updates Part 5

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: redpassion
Unfortunately Americans are going to be reluctant to quarantine.

The question is - who do we quarantine? Everyone? Or just those at most risk?

Please explain to me how it makes sense to quarantine everyone - which has massively bad economic repercussions - vs only those who are at most risk - which would have a much much smaller economic impact.

Human life > economy

You’re silly.

My son went in to get his last check from Walmart yesterday. They gave him a $35 gift card, I guess as severance pay..lol...One of the managers told him under their breath that he needs to use it because there is Walmart chatter from higher up that they might put a hold on gift card transactions.

Appearantly the system is being overloaded and cant keep up. They are having computer crashes and all sorts of problems.

I tried to pay my credit card multiple times yesterday. The credit card company was having a severe computer and customer service overload.

I am thinking that the computerized system can't handle all of the traffic and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't something done soon or a complete crash could occur.

Also to add to this, I think that they preemptive put out a "cash is a carrier" public outcry in the beginning to get people afraid of cash. Everyone here at work is talking about it.

I think they were anticipating a run on the banks from the beginning. They made cash the bad guy and now the computer systems cant handle the traffic. Bad things are looming.

How is that for doom porn?

Reporting from New Orleans.

Biblical times, the bars have closed in New Orleans and mostly everything else. The restaurants are allowed to do delivery still but that is it. Schools closed till April 13th across the state.

Yesterday, very nice day here in New Orleans. Family and I waked along the lake and there were people out but no one got near each other.

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: redpassion
Unfortunately Americans are going to be reluctant to quarantine.

The question is - who do we quarantine? Everyone? Or just those at most risk?

Please explain to me how it makes sense to quarantine everyone - which has massively bad economic repercussions - vs only those who are at most risk - which would have a much much smaller economic impact.

Human life > economy

You’re silly.

People lose jobs/lose income = less ability to buy food = negative impacts on human life

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
I go back to the table in my opening post.. every day we allow packed trains, bars, cafe's to operate is another day of exponential growth at the other end. Shut it all down NOW Scomo!

I'll ask again...

So, you shut everything down. Destroy the worlds economy.

Let's even say you are successful, you stop the virus spreadin in its tracks, new cases go to almost zero for 4 weeks straight.

Now what?

Now what???

You lift the bans/curfews/closings, open everything up again...

And cases start spreading again...

Now what???

Sorry, that is just pure insanity.

The only way to handle this, that makes any kind of sense, is close things down everywhere for a short period of time - maybe 1 or 2 weeks - to provide time to prep - where prep means, doing anything and everything that is reasonably possible to protect the most at risk - absolute isolation quarantine on all group homes where the at risk are concentrated, require care-givers to live-in during this time, nothing but supplies in or out, and then provide guidelines for private citizens who are at risk but not in these group home settings to protect themselves, hopefully with the help of their loved ones, but if needed, with the help of locals willing to assist.

Then, just open things up, and let this thing run its course through the rest of the population that is at very low risk.

After that period - to be determined, but hopefully not more than a couple of months - States can start removing the quarantines in a staggered and controlled fashion, to prevent ICUs from being over-run.

This will allow for protecting those at most risk, but more importantly, allow this thing to run its course naturally, without destroying the worlds economy.

What absolute garbage elitegamer23 ..
If human life was more valuable than economy then why don't we shut down the economy and save the 25000 people who die of starvation daily world wide. Clearly, you are silly.You think this is more important because it affects the rich as well? how do you value human life?

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: redpassion
Unfortunately Americans are going to be reluctant to quarantine.

The question is - who do we quarantine? Everyone? Or just those at most risk?

Please explain to me how it makes sense to quarantine everyone - which has massively bad economic repercussions - vs only those who are at most risk - which would have a much much smaller economic impact.

Human life > economy

You’re silly.

People lose jobs/lose income = less ability to buy food = negative impacts on human life

More people die daily worldwide from malaria, TB, HIV, hunger etc than this virus but this poster ain't said fokol about that has he/she...

US Pre-markets rally after the 13% drop has fallen to +200pts
Europe's down 1-4%

the markets should have rebounded significantly today after a historic loss in yesterdays session

looking at last nights chart, the DOW suffered a big drop in the final moments of trade. I have absolute minimal knowledge on stock markets but im told that sharp losses at the end of a session mean the selling hasn't ended and it will continue next session. We could have a 2 day drop equalling 20% if the markets keep freaking today

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: redpassion
Unfortunately Americans are going to be reluctant to quarantine.

The question is - who do we quarantine? Everyone? Or just those at most risk?

Please explain to me how it makes sense to quarantine everyone - which has massively bad economic repercussions - vs only those who are at most risk - which would have a much much smaller economic impact.

Human life > economy

You’re silly.

People lose jobs/lose income = less ability to buy food = negative impacts on human life

People will lose jobs and it’s already happening. That’s inevitable. Dead people can’t work or buy food.

The economy as we “knew “ it is gone . There will be a new world economy after this coronastorm.

It’s crazy how we don’t even make the necessary medicines for humans in our capitalist economy , and will desperately depend on The communist capitalist economy of China to provide them .

People held on to the belief that this wasn’t a big deal, that it was “ just the flu”.

Now people need to realize and accept the fact that the world economy will forever be changed after .

a reply to: Agit8dChop

On the plus side its a long over due correction, the markets were so overinflated after years of "quantitative easing" It was going to happen just a matter of when, unfortunately the virus and the panicky headline from the MSM kicked it into gear.

I was just about to pull the trigger on moving my 401k into higher risk higher rewards when the news started trickling out of china and I held off.

What sucks is with the press being the way they are this might land us a Joe Biden presidency...

originally posted by: marikievansclkers
What absolute garbage elitegamer23 ..
If human life was more valuable than economy then why don't we shut down the economy and save the 25000 people who die of starvation daily world wide. Clearly, you are silly.You think this is more important because it affects the rich as well? how do you value human life?

Hey welcome to ATS. Have a seat and make yourself at home .

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Thanks

originally posted by: Irishhaf

What sucks is with the press being the way they are this might land us a Joe Biden presidency...

thats a big worry.

Trump has not impressed me so far... he took too long to focus on the seriousness..

if he can control it and make good decisions some come election time things are looking much better, he'll win.

but if america gets really sick and potentially the election is in jeopardy.. he'll probably lose.

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: redpassion
Unfortunately Americans are going to be reluctant to quarantine.

The question is - who do we quarantine? Everyone? Or just those at most risk?

Please explain to me how it makes sense to quarantine everyone - which has massively bad economic repercussions - vs only those who are at most risk - which would have a much much smaller economic impact.

Human life > economy

You’re silly.

People lose jobs/lose income = less ability to buy food = negative impacts on human life

People will lose jobs and it’s already happening. That’s inevitable. Dead people can’t work or buy food.

The economy as we “knew “ it is gone . There will be a new world economy after this coronastorm.

It’s crazy how we don’t even make the necessary medicines for humans in our capitalist economy , and will desperately depend on The communist capitalist economy of China to provide them .

People held on to the belief that this wasn’t a big deal, that it was “ just the flu”.

Now people need to realize and accept the fact that the world economy will forever be changed after .

thank you
it is true here in hokkaido
the economy is dead
no one is really working
the streets are empty;

Ontario declares state of emergency

Effective immediately, the province has ordered the closure of all facilities providing indoor recreation programs, all public libraries, all private schools, all licensed childcare centres, all theatres, cinemas and concert venues, and all bars and restaurants except to provide takeout food and delivery.

nationalpost.com...

a reply to: liejunkie01

The small company my wife and I run has all remote employees and her and I are the only one in the corporate office. We use Office 365 for our primary means of communications and haven't had any connectivity issues yet (Comcast is our business ISP). We also process credit card transactions regularly throughout the day and haven't had any issues either. There's rarely issues during peak periods like Black Friday or Christmas, etc. when millions are using them almost simultaneously so hopefully it's just isolated issues.

Of course it's always prudent to have some amount of cash on hand at all times for emergencies...even if it's only $50 or $100. That can fill your tank with gas and get your family food to get through an emergency.

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: redpassion
Unfortunately Americans are going to be reluctant to quarantine.

The question is - who do we quarantine? Everyone? Or just those at most risk?

Please explain to me how it makes sense to quarantine everyone - which has massively bad economic repercussions - vs only those who are at most risk - which would have a much much smaller economic impact.

Human life > economy

You’re silly.

People lose jobs/lose income = less ability to buy food = negative impacts on human life

People will lose jobs and it’s already happening. That’s inevitable. Dead people can’t work or buy food.

The economy as we “knew “ it is gone . There will be a new world economy after this coronastorm.

It’s crazy how we don’t even make the necessary medicines for humans in our capitalist economy , and will desperately depend on The communist capitalist economy of China to provide them .

People held on to the belief that this wasn’t a big deal, that it was “ just the flu”.

Now people need to realize and accept the fact that the world economy will forever be changed after .

thank you
it is true here in hokkaido
the economy is dead
no one is really working
the streets are empty;

After this world changing event humans will have two choices. Create a better society , economy , and way of life or continue down a world or the few over the many.

Things will never be like 2019 again. We record time with BC and AD. We will need to add a third point in time . AC, after Coronavirus .

www.gov.uk...

LONDON (Reuters) - British foreign minister Dominic Raab advised British nationals on Tuesday to stop all non-essential travel globally for the next 30 days, the latest stringent measure taken by the government to try to stem a growing coronavirus outbreak.
“With immediate effect, I have taken the decision to advise British nationals against non-essential travel globally, for an initial period of 30 days and of course subject to ongoing review,” Raab told parliament.

Todays report from West Yorkshire, England, UK:

Was going to go to Aldi and do some shopping.

I don't know if you can all do this, but if you search in Google for "Aldi (or name of supermarket) Keighley (or other place name)" and scroll down Google's results you can see a chart.

The chart shows typical busy-ness and what it is right now (I guess they ping your phone).

From when I looked last night from 7pm to 10pm (closing time), and 8am to 10 am (this morning opening time +2 hours), the red "right now" bar showed they were up to 4 or 5 times as busy as normal.

I was going to go, but spoke to someone who had just been and it was so busy that you couldn't even get into the car park, never mind the store.

Instead I went to a smaller Co-oP - not as busy, but what I did notice is that the normal sized trolleys are all gone, and the only trolley you can get is basically a handheld basket size on wheels - obviously to limit what you can buy, which was confirmed when the guy in front of me at the checkout was repremanded by one of the staff and had half the flour he was trying to buy taken away from him.

I had a quick chat with the girl on the checkout (she has 2 young kids) and she was nearly in tears, she is abolutely terrified from what she's seeing.

The Human behaviour and fear is going to cause more problems than the virus itself.

originally posted by: JamieJJones
Todays report from West Yorkshire, England, UK:

Was going to go to Aldi and do some shopping.

I don't know if you can all do this, but if you search in Google for "Aldi (or name of supermarket) Keighley (or other place name)" and scroll down Google's results you can see a chart.

The chart shows typical busy-ness and what it is right now (I guess they ping your phone).

From when I looked last night from 7pm to 10pm (closing time), and 8am to 10 am (this morning opening time +2 hours), the red "right now" bar showed they were up to 4 or 5 times as busy as normal.

I was going to go, but spoke to someone who had just been and it was so busy that you couldn't even get into the car park, never mind the store.

Instead I went to a smaller Co-oP - not as busy, but what I did notice is that the normal sized trolleys are all gone, and the only trolley you can get is basically a handheld basket size on wheels - obviously to limit what you can buy, which was confirmed when the guy in front of me at the checkout was repremanded by one of the staff and had half the flour he was trying to buy taken away from him.

I had a quick chat with the girl on the checkout (she has 2 young kids) and she was nearly in tears, she is abolutely terrified from what she's seeing.

The Human behaviour and fear is going to cause more problems than the virus itself.