NASA images show Chinese pollution clear after Corona lockdown

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It's worth a look at NASA's new images in this article.

Even if it's hurting the economy , the presence of Corona is doing the air good . Since china produces 60 percent of global co2 emissions , that really does make a difference .

Were hearing very little from China in msm recently but here's a global updates article
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The Chinese are reporting upto 500 cases each day .
They've also tested a dog in Hong Kong belongs to a Corona patient as 'weak positive' and quarantined it. Apparently there's no proof of them being spreaders yet , but that may be a further development. Cats are also susceptible to coronaviruses according to ncbi . And quite a lot of other furry animals like rabbits might contract and spread , if not suffer themselves especially if immunocompromised in the first place .

The British health secretary Hancock has announced today that nothing is off the table for government response including lockdowns which he insists would b temporary .

Economic issues are probably more the problem than the virus long term , and although the markets depression is presenting clear opportunities to buy up and win when this dies down , as confidence decreases further the bite of something quite nasty may worsen the downward spiral effect. With supply disrupted indefinitely , shortages in materials quickly become real unalterable liabilities to invested businesses which may expect not only profit loss but potential futher capital forfeiture longer term.

It's worth a reminder of what we always knew about the dangers associated with pandemics , and that really is that the effects of them are not only globally realised , but globally realised at the same time all at once , and suddenly . And considering a lot if the foods we eat the materials we need and the resources we refine rely on a working global economy , it all taken together is a recipie for severity , for compounded severe conditions .

No one's who's really seen what a pandemic can present us , can easily be talked out of their informed understanding . It's only those who convince themselves it can't be that bad who LL still argue about it.
People who don't or won't change their minds by adopting a fluid approach to information gathering about affair s external to their insulated mental environments will possibly entrench themselves further into denial , making it prudent to avoid arguments with them

Global trade is not designed at all except by regulatory bodies , rather it takes on the and hoc basis we know as exploitative capitalism .
Thereby the economy in general , all the way in to national localities and corporate budgets , is not adapted for resilience to pandemics or the exceptional market forces they might apply . What the global economy is , however , (the same way as our own immune system ) , is susceptible

As the current UK floods are showing us too, systems which are not designed to be immune from disruption are not only generally useless long term , but potentially catastrophically wrong for certain serious compromise scenarios like this one.

Whatever we do post this Corona problem , let's not forget that systems which design out compromises like community farms and local resource pooling schemes for example are not only ' nice to have' but could also have a far greater cost/benefit ratio than previously foreseen by government economists or local officials .

Wow, pollution can be cleared up in a month's time? Who knew? I now declare planet Earth is saved from climate change!

The polution going into the Ocean is probably way down too. We need to start making some things here in America again to help to keep the Chinese people from having to suffer all that concentrated polution. They suffer for our sense of entitlement. We should make stuff here where the environmental standards are higher.

a reply to: rickymouse

How would a country with only 3% unemployment find enough workers to replace all the production workers being used in China?

We can’t.

The only way to end all that pollution is to reduce our consumption.
We use so much extra.

Pollution will come back once everyone is back at work

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: rickymouse

How would a country with only 3% unemployment find enough workers to replace all the production workers being used in China?

We can’t.

The only way to end all that pollution is to reduce our consumption.
We use so much extra.

How much garbage do we buy here because it is cheaply made in China. We could put a lot of the people selling stuff to work in factories. Also, those 3 percent figures are not correct, Trump did not fix the way they collect that data, actually we have lots more people than that who just gave up looking for work and are working at part time jobs....they could be working full time and still the unemployment figures would be remaining the same. They only count people who are actively on the books looking for work, many people are not going to take a part time job working for peanuts, they just moved back in with mom and dad and aren't even bothering to look for work.

They have changed the way they do the unemployment figures over the years, a ten percent unemployment figure back in the early seventies equates to a three percent today. Plus kids are going to college who would rather be working at a living wage job somewhere, but it is either go to college or work at McDs or Subway.

I thought Trump was going to correct the way they figured unemployed people, but he is just going with the flow to make it look better for himself getting reelected. Maybe next term they will turn back the clock to how it was thirty plus years ago. Every president has made it look like the unemployment figures were getting better or not getting worse to make themselves and the congress look better. Lies have been going on for years. Just think if everyone who wanted to work at a decent job could get one, our unemployment figure would say we have a negative fifteen percent unemployment rate.

a reply to: rickymouse

I work in the employment industry.
There are job openings needing filled all over the place.
There is also a mindset today that people are to good to work a factory job even though they have little in the way of a useful skill set.
Everyone is holding out for a management position.


Basically there are not enough people or factory space to replace all the cheap garbage produced in China.
The solution is to consume less and I don’t see that happening.

So if we slag most of China I shouldn't have to pay carbon tax anymore right.

a reply to: Bluntone22

That's a side effect of subsidy. Our social welfare apparatus subsidizes the idea that you can afford to hold out for management. It's also a sad side effect of the all or nothing welfare approach too.

If you make just a few too many pennies, you lose all of your subsidies which can add up to thousands of dollars a month depending on your situation and needs, and that manufacturing job may not be able to replace it, but a supervisor slot would which may be what many are looking at -- I can't afford to lose my welfare for less than X/month in earnings, and the only positions making X/month are supervisory/management. Nevermind that you can't attain that without working the floor first and proving yourself.

The structuring of our own system ends up working against people, but I rather think that's by design rather than accident. People held in thrall to state subsidy are also dependent on the state and easier to pander to.

I can't imagine working a factory job at 51. Of course, most machinery is designed for people a lot shorter than I am and none of the jobs pay enough to offset the risk of repetitive stress injury.

Honestly, my back hurts just thinking about it.

a reply to: Bluntone22

We have the same amount of people in this country now as we had during the mid seventies. We made most of our own stuff back then that we needed. I worked in a couple of factories, the pay was better than you got working at a restaurant or any service industry job and the insurance was paid for health insurance. I liked working at Kohler, you went in to work, worked your shift, and did whatever you wanted to do with the remainder of your life. It was the same at the flooring mill and at the factory where I made aluminum pots and pans. It was very good working in those places.

They have brainwashed the kids that those are demeaning jobs, instead they want everyone to think technology is great work or that only prestigious jobs in this society are good. That is a problem with our society we have created over the last thirty years. It is a creation of schools pushing college and prestigious jobs as the good jobs. Jobs where you have to spend half of your off time working for free thinking of new technology and discussing ideas to get you promoted at work with coworkers. I know many young people in tech now that spend half their off time discussing tech and the other off time surfing the menus on Netflix.

What happened to camping, fishing, or having a garden for entertainment? The kids these days want expensive bikes that they abandon after one year, not even taking care of them at all. They bring them into the shop to get worked on instead of just greasing them themselves and adjusting a few cables. Makes jobs for the people working at the bike shop I suppose. Then the new thing since you sit down all the time at work is you go to a fitness center and get a personal trainer. Sure the economy is working, but your money just goes to someone else, heck, people even get their groceries delivered and have to tip the driver.

The wife and I just had a baked cod homemade dinner last night, made with cello cod. The whole dinner cost us five bucks for the two of us, including homemade fries and tarter sauce and my coffee and her coke. Now in a restaurant, that would have cost twenty one bucks, plus a four dollar tip and our fishfry was better than most restaurants have. The cost of the tip we would have left almost covered the cost of our dinner, and I actually got exercise while I made it. Now, the restaurant has to pay help, and they have costs of doing business, the owners want to make some money. That is a consumer based economy, that is not a stable economy. Last crash, a lot of restaurants were empty, everyone lost money in 08. One went under that year, a good restaurant, but they had to close because there was no money coming in to pay the help.

We need to start making some of the stuff we need in this country to stabalize and secure our economy. People will always have to buy what they need, their wants usually get neglected when they are broke. They now consider rent as part of our GNP to make it look like our economy is more stable than it is. Our Economy is far from being secure, the facts and figures are lies. Even under Trump. Washington is incapable of telling people the truth, so is Wall Street.

We have to change society to make the young know that these factory jobs are good jobs, that they are contributing to the strength of our country by working in those jobs. That they will be helping our people out by making things here. That they do not have to believe the pipe dreams the education systems are selling them are true. More people who get degrees from College go work in a field other than the one they went school for than ever before, one where they do not use that education they went in debt for. Now if those kids could go out and get a factory job at fifty grand a year after working there for a probationary year, with insurance, they should be proud of their job. Here, if someone got thirty five grand a year for working in a factory they would be happy, better pay than a teacher gets without a college debt to boot.

Half the kids in college would just go work in a factory, or job surf if they could get decent pay in a factory.

In Norway, which is a socialist country, they have lots of factories and big businesses making things their people need, If a country goes socialist they have to have a secure economy to succeed. I do not understand Democratic mindset, they want our people all reliant on other countries, that is risky business. Yet they are steering socialist but they do not understand much about socialist societies and how they stay run their economies and survive.

who needs the Green New Deal when we have the novel coronavirus deal

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
I can't imagine working a factory job at 51. Of course, most machinery is designed for people a lot shorter than I am and none of the jobs pay enough to offset the risk of repetitive stress injury.

Honestly, my back hurts just thinking about it.

My work is hiring a lot 40,50 year olds who’ve lost there job from GM

We are a manufacturing plant, except the machines do the work, we jump in if things go wrong so not too hard

65k to start, full pension, full benefits 100% dental coverage

a reply to: ADUB77

Also unlimited overtime, I’m at 20k gross as of feb 28th pay check

a reply to: ADUB77

That sounds like a terrific job! I doubt you'll have any issue filling openings, though I'll admit I'm a little jealous of that dental plan.