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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Fallingdown
National debt for fiscal year under Obama .
2008.....1 trillion
2009.....1.6 trillion
2010....,1.9 trillion
Total 4.5 trillion
Trump first three years 3 trillion per your source
I believe that adds up to Winning!!!
Obama added the most dollar amount of debt than any other president, at a little less than 9 trillion in eight years.
Trump may or may not beat that.
Doesn't look like winning to me.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Fallingdown
National debt for fiscal year under Obama .
2008.....1 trillion
2009.....1.6 trillion
2010....,1.9 trillion
Total 4.5 trillion
Trump first three years 3 trillion per your source
I believe that adds up to Winning!!!
Obama added the most dollar amount of debt than any other president, at a little less than 9 trillion in eight years.
Trump may or may not beat that.
Doesn't look like winning to me.
That's because you're not a partisan hack.
originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: face23785
Except there are plenty metrics showing it’s not doing good. There’s increased suicide rates. Increased addiction. Lowering life expectancy. Massive public and personal debt. Decline in the quality of jobs. Low workforce participation. Critically low investments in industry and manufacturing. And if gdp was accounted correctly, by subtracting interest, penalty charges, increased rents etc, rather than adding them, because they remove profit from the economy rather than adding it, gdp would be decreasing too.
originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: face23785
Also, we’ve had way more wars than just Iraq. And the trump tax cuts are projected to cost us 5.5 trillion through 2029. At any rate, where I get my numbers is besides the point because all you have to do is google any of it and a various set of estimates will be provided to you. It’s easy to find, we all have access to the same info. “I don’t know where you get your numbers” sure. I get them the same place you do. The silicon god of all knowledge and trivia.
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Fallingdown
National debt for fiscal year under Obama .
2008.....1 trillion
2009.....1.6 trillion
2010....,1.9 trillion
Total 4.5 trillion
Trump first three years 3 trillion per your source
I believe that adds up to Winning!!!
Obama added the most dollar amount of debt than any other president, at a little less than 9 trillion in eight years.
Trump may or may not beat that.
Doesn't look like winning to me.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Fallingdown
National debt for fiscal year under Obama .
2008.....1 trillion
2009.....1.6 trillion
2010....,1.9 trillion
Total 4.5 trillion
Trump first three years 3 trillion per your source
I believe that adds up to Winning!!!
Obama added the most dollar amount of debt than any other president, at a little less than 9 trillion in eight years.
Trump may or may not beat that.
Doesn't look like winning to me.
According to those numbers, he's on pace to add less debt than Obama.
So if you can cut taxes, restore military funding, and grow the economy, all while adding less debt than the previous President did during the same period in his presidency, I don't see how you can't at least think that's good. If you don't wanna use the loaded term "winning," acceptable.
For the record, I'd like him to take a stronger stand on balancing the budget. Maybe after the election, hopefully. I don't care if the government has to be "shut down" for a year.
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Fallingdown
National debt for fiscal year under Obama .
2008.....1 trillion
2009.....1.6 trillion
2010....,1.9 trillion
Total 4.5 trillion
Trump first three years 3 trillion per your source
I believe that adds up to Winning!!!
Obama added the most dollar amount of debt than any other president, at a little less than 9 trillion in eight years.
Trump may or may not beat that.
Doesn't look like winning to me.
According to those numbers, he's on pace to add less debt than Obama.
So if you can cut taxes, restore military funding, and grow the economy, all while adding less debt than the previous President did during the same period in his presidency, I don't see how you can't at least think that's good. If you don't wanna use the loaded term "winning," acceptable.
For the record, I'd like him to take a stronger stand on balancing the budget. Maybe after the election, hopefully. I don't care if the government has to be "shut down" for a year.
All of your arguments ignore the fact that he hasn’t done anything to address or mitigate the coming bust. In fact, most of his actions are making it worse.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gladtobehere
Yeah.
This sucks.
Sucks bad.
It's something I disagree with.
Congress sets the budget and holds the president hostage until he signs what congress wants.
Trump should grow an even bigger set of balls and shut down the government until congress comes up with a rational budget.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gladtobehere
Yeah.
This sucks.
Sucks bad.
It's something I disagree with.
Congress sets the budget and holds the president hostage until he signs what congress wants.
Trump should grow an even bigger set of balls and shut down the government until congress comes up with a rational budget.
As I've said multiple times in this thread, I hope that's what he does first budget after he gets re-elected. # Congress. Do your damn jobs.
originally posted by: Goedhardt
I guess he will have much more wiggleroom after re-election, not having to worry about his coming election.
There were more urgent matters to deal with. And while the Republicans were not supportive in the beginning of the 3 years, the Dems went all out in their resistance efforts. It makes it hard to fix a country, but still he did.
It’s just 3 out of the 8 years. I think it is still to early to judge on this debt.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Goedhardt
I guess he will have much more wiggleroom after re-election, not having to worry about his coming election.
There were more urgent matters to deal with. And while the Republicans were not supportive in the beginning of the 3 years, the Dems went all out in their resistance efforts. It makes it hard to fix a country, but still he did.
It’s just 3 out of the 8 years. I think it is still to early to judge on this debt.
Indeed.
However, this is a moot discussion for everyone unless we're willing too take a good hard look at spending in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, entitlements, and a portion of the military. That portion being lobbying and kickbacks, and politicians trying to keep programs alive as a campaign check mark at home.
Lets have a strong and efficient military that can be anywhere in the world in 24 hours, but doesn't need to be.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: interupt42
I starred you because you made me laff.
We need to reduce spending for everything by the federal government.
originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: CriticalStinker
“Winning” why would you take that seriously ?
Things ain’t been the same between us since that one thread .
I was being facetious .
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: pexx421
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Fallingdown
National debt for fiscal year under Obama .
2008.....1 trillion
2009.....1.6 trillion
2010....,1.9 trillion
Total 4.5 trillion
Trump first three years 3 trillion per your source
I believe that adds up to Winning!!!
Obama added the most dollar amount of debt than any other president, at a little less than 9 trillion in eight years.
Trump may or may not beat that.
Doesn't look like winning to me.
According to those numbers, he's on pace to add less debt than Obama.
So if you can cut taxes, restore military funding, and grow the economy, all while adding less debt than the previous President did during the same period in his presidency, I don't see how you can't at least think that's good. If you don't wanna use the loaded term "winning," acceptable.
For the record, I'd like him to take a stronger stand on balancing the budget. Maybe after the election, hopefully. I don't care if the government has to be "shut down" for a year.
All of your arguments ignore the fact that he hasn’t done anything to address or mitigate the coming bust. In fact, most of his actions are making it worse.
So you can't refute anything I said and instead make baseless doom predictions for the future. Got it.
Same people telling you he's gonna crash the economy told you it would never recover from the election night plunge too.
You need better sources man, they really are making you look like a fool.