Why is the coronavirus novel?

I'm curious why the coronavirus is always being labeled the "novel coronavirus"? Is it because it is a different, unique strain from what has been seen previously? If so, it certainly does illustrate how the media LOVES to run wild with talking points....

On a side note, I am traveling for work this week.... After landing at an airport somewhere in the US, I jumped in an Uber because I didn't feel like renting a car. About halfway to my destination, the Uber driver decides to become chatty Kathy and tells me that the passenger before me was from one of the affected areas of China.... Oh lovely.... Of course, you never know if the person was telling the truth or just looking for attention.

They will write a novel about it someday. So it is a novel virus.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

They identify it as novel because it hasn’t existed in the wild before and no one will be immune to the virus. It’s similar to others but with the antigens or proteins on its outer coating we will all need to be exposed to it or vaccinated somehow to build immunity. This happens with cold and flu viruses all the time. Same with the flu vaccine, they pick 3 or 4 of the most likely viruses to spread that year in the hope that they can prevent illness or lessen the impact because it mutates so quickly.

And yes they will most definitely be writing a novel about this one some day.

originally posted by: rickymouse
They will write a novel about it someday. So it is a novel virus.

Someday? I think that day is already here.... I'm a bit sick of hearing about it, honestly... The media loves to scare people with pandemics every flu season.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

It is my personal speculation that the coronavirus was no accident of nature. I think it was genetically engineered...by either us or China. Of course, I have no proof. Just opinion.

Back in the mid-80's I got very sick and the lymph nodes in my neck swelled up like softballs. I was diagnosed with Taiwan Flu. A few years later, I was at a special government school for gifted students when I came down sick again. This time, I got a hot, red, itchy rash that looked almost exactly like measles, but I only got it on and around my knees. Very, very weird... Both times I have wondered if I hadn't been purposely "tested" on. Again, no proof...but just a gut feeling...given what I remember and recall about those events.

Anyway, I really do feel like 75% of this is media hype. They do it every year with whatever the new strain is... I'm not saying it isn't something to take precautions about or take seriously, but I do feel like they make it into the coming of the First Horsemen of the Apocalypse, ad nauseum.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

Thank you for starting this thread. I’m behind the times.

I googled this morning, what the hell this virus was and it’s symptoms.

Runny nose, cough, headache, sore throat, fever

www.cdc.gov...

81 people have died from the virus. Which is terrible. But does it really deserve all the doom porn being shoved on us?

And BTW, this is coming from a father, that had to spend one whole night in the hospital because my son got H1N1 (the swine flu). It sucked, but it was just one night. My son already had a weak immune system before he contracted it.

a reply to: KKLOCO

Well, I'm in airports almost weekly.... So naturally I knew it was only a matter of time before it spread. I was more interested in understanding the incubation period....

From what I've read on it so far, I don't really see how it stands out from any of the previous "scares" like Bird Flu, Swine Flu, or whatever... They all can make you sick... I personally wouldn't be worried unless it had a high mortality rate like Ebola or Hanta, etc...

However, I can't help but find it funny that when you Google "Coronavirus" or even just LOOK at the news feeds on it, they are consistently calling it the "novel Coronavirus." Just wondered what was so "novel" about it that they all have to include that term as part of the name....

a reply to: KKLOCO

It is getting more coverage and attention than usual in some area's because there are claims coming out of China from medical workers about how China is lying on the statistics and that it is 100x worse than being told; and the Chinese Communist Party is trying to cover up and remove from social media/internet.

Isn't it just strange how Kobe Bryants death happens shortly after this started to blow up online? and then on facebook, my friends tell me that it is all they see now and the talk/info from the virus is now gone.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

This one is concerning because it seems to have stable fomite and airborne transmission plus the host sheds virus during the long incubation period and it’s impossible to control its spread. China’s quarantine measures are pretty intensive but they may have new protocols after SARS.

Mortality rate is low, immunocompromised populations are more susceptible like with any pathogen. It can cause adverse impacts in seemingly healthy patients. It’s still not time to worry, once we start seeing it spread in the west with better health systems and general public health than we can worry.

Ebola and hemorrhagic fevers are different, they hijack the immune system so quickly the host dies before spreading the disease. It only aerosolizes with blood and is much harder to transmit. You see early high transmission rates overseas because of poor public health programs and body substance isolation procedures and then it dies out.

It could be from a lab, but it’s no bioweapon, if it was, China would be buckling right now and those few cases overseas would be exponentially increasing already.

a reply to: IrateCanadian

Wait what?? Now the Chinese killed Kobe to deter attention from the coronavirus?!

I’m a conspiracy theorist, but ATS has gone of the fu##ing deep end with the Kobe conspiracies the last 24 hours.

F & A

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

That's the best (and most informative) commentary I've seen on this crud since it began....

They should put you on Fox News....

Good question. In modern terms labeling something novel means it is new or unique.
But there’s this too.
(The novel idea is that we use a specific reduction strategy rather than considering "any maximal reduction path". His theory of electricity was expressed in terms of tensions and pressures, and mechanical ideas were used to propagate the 1 novel idea of the displacement current.)

a reply to: KKLOCO

Not saying that China killed him.. duh.. I'm simply stating that it is a strange coincidence that these two things happen and we are being told a lie on the statistics, yet crazy numbers are coming out from medical workers IN China and are completely contradicting what we are being told via media.. Just seems funny that Facebook, IG, Twitter etc all completely changed trending directions as soon as Kobe died. The entire Social Media web is plagued with the death. Nothing much going on with the virus anymore. And it has been confirmed to be increasingly more deadly and undetectable and the numbers are still increasing dramatically - Yet no more talk of it.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Better health systems....and considerably better air quality and general health controls.

Respiratory infections go hand in hand with China.

a reply to: IrateCanadian

Nothing that Happens in this World Today is a Coincidence . Every Action is from a Purpose to Control and Manipulate those that are Duped into Doing their Bidding . This Coronavirus story is yet Another Example of that .

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: KKLOCO

From what I've read on it so far, I don't really see how it stands out from any of the previous "scares" like Bird Flu, Swine Flu, or whatever... They all can make you sick... I personally wouldn't be worried unless it had a high mortality rate like Ebola or Hanta, etc...

There is more to it. So far it seems to be more contagious than average. H1N1 was a huge cluster F and the public health mobilization for it was unwarranted. H1N1 was unique in the respect that the mortality had a range larger than most seasonal flu. It was killing otherwise healthy young adults and older adults that wouldn't typically be in high risk categories.

While Ebola and other hemorrhagic fevers are scary a large part of their high mortality rates was a direct result of inadequate facilities and supplies due to the region's impacted. Something as simple IV fluid wasn't always available.

We'll see what happens with this virus. Possible rapid mutation, high rates of transmission, and the potential for China to completely fabricate data, all combine to make it a bit scarier than something like H1N1.

Like every other cold and flu your best protection is frequent hand washing and keeping your hands away from your face.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

Because they haven't really thought of a good name for it yet and also because hardly anyone has an immune response.

Novel as in new/not encountered before.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You’re absolutely right, damaged tissue is much more susceptible to abnormal signaling and complications. It’s why people with heart arrhythmias are more likely to have another with each abnormal rhythm, the same goes for any seizure disorders and consecutive seizures.

If these populations have sticky lungs similar to COPD or asthma from lifetime exposure to poor air quality, viral pneumonia is a killer. Take their allegedly hire mortality and transmission rates with a grain of salt, the numbers will be very different in western nations.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: CIAGypsy

This one is concerning because it seems to have stable fomite and airborne transmission plus the host sheds virus during the long incubation period and it’s impossible to control its spread. China’s quarantine measures are pretty intensive but they may have new protocols after SARS.

Yes, I forgot the fact that it's contagious while people are not symptomatic in my post above. Very important detail.

Measles is super contagious, but after symptoms appear and the vaccine has some effectiveness even administered 72 hours after exposure. That's another red flag on this new virus.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

The real name is: 2019-nCoV

Parsing that, "2019" is when it became observed in the wild (early-, mid-December last year); "n" could be "novel" is that unlike other viruses you do not have to be compromised or sick for it to attack (which is similar to what the Spanish Flu did in WWI. And we haven't seen anything like that since until nCoV showed up). The "CoV" is just "coronal virus" in short hand.

Coronal virus is named that because of its shape. It looks like a halo (or ring) with a strand of RNA attached. This specific nCoV has a chunk of RNA that can invade healthy cells. Other RNA strands are for things like the common cold (there are so many variations we cannot make a single vaccine against all of them and the fear is, that like bacteria, if we start eradicating some the others will be become stronger. so we have to put up with it.

This RNA is particularly nasty because you can walk around with no symptoms (no body aches, no cough, no runny nose, no indication that you are infected) then it hits you with full on pneumonia (your lungs fill up with sputum... phlegm/fluid/whatever you want to call it). That causes or happens with something called a "Cytokine Storm" where your body kicks into overdrive to fight off an infection of the lungs. It is kind of like adding fuel to a fire and you better be able to keep up of the fight! 1 in 50 can't and die (there is no "type" of person, young, old, healthy and fit, no other infections, there is no discrimination). Some never present symptoms at all and are just carriers.

History is your friend on this one. Read up on the Native Americans and smallpox. The community had no immune defense against what for Europeans was a 1,000 year old battle. You read accounts of disgusted American doctors walking into villages where Indians lay dying on the ground, moaning, on their side, puking and diarrhea everywhere, and all the medical help could say was, "These people have no shame! What disgusting conditions!" Talk about blaming the victim!

I personally don't think of dying with liquid filled lungs as being "romantic" like the poets felt over TB.

Doom porn? Could be (probably is), but you should be informed!

Wash your hands! And stop touching your face!! Especially your eyes with your fingers!!!