Kicking around buying a pistol

Just go shoot a bunch and decide for yourself what you want.

I've never really cared about other people's opinions on firearms. I've owned and carried a bunch of different pistols. Hell, sometimes I'll carry a .45 on my hip and a 9mm cross appendix.

I'm currently carrying a Walther PPQ M2 Navy , it's a great gun and it feels nice in my hand. The trigger is nice too, but hell I've felt even better triggers on cheap guns. I've fired Lorcins where the trigger reset is practically a hair off the last pull.

But if you just want a shiny range gun just go with something chrome. I don't see why you want a large mag capacity with a range gun. Buy a couple of extra mags and a speedloader. If you're going through three mags and feel like you have to reload too often then you're probably not even really trying to shoot well. Take your time with it.

I carry three magazines with my Walther. The first magazine can hold 15 rounds. The other two can hold 17. With a round also in the chamber that brings my total round count to 50. Does that mean I'm just walking around hoping for an excuse to use all fifty rounds? Of course not, but in a real exchange of gun fire with all things taken into account there is a very real possibility of missing and having to shoot at multiple people or beasts.

If you want a gun capable of decent mag capacities go with anything that's double stack. There's literally nothing wrong with anything .22, .380, .38, 9mm, 10mm, .40, .45. That's right I said it. Any size round is fine. I seriously doubt that it's highly likely you have to worry about penetrating body armor and getting shot with a .22 is just as likely to cause death or serious/greivous bodily harm to someone.

If you train to shoot someone center mass you're bound to collapse a lung or two, hit the heart, pierce the diaphragm, damage the spine, or penetrate intestinal organs causing extreme lifelong pain and/or death.

But if you want a shiny range gun, buy something shiny and expensive so you can show off your financial decisions. Hell get you one of those Gold plated Desert Eagles.

But really man just go shoot a bunch and buy what you want. They all do the same thing. Some just more reliable and ergonomically so.

STI's are very good pistols and yes they are worth the money, but only if you are a serious shooter I'm talking like competition serious. There is no point in spending $3000 to $6000 for something your going to do little more than target shoot with.

Glock, Springfield XD , CZ or FN all make excellent double stack 45's at a reasonable price.

I've seen people daily carry competition pistols and I'm always like "Bro, why?" They look like a cartoon trying to pull it out of their waistband.

I really feel that so many missed the point of my post.

This is not a carry thing, this is not my first pistol, it's literally nothing more than me giving another chance to the platform, and as such I asked the question if anyone owns one and if it's worth the money.

The model I'm looking at will likely be around 2k. It's likely the most expensive, and last 1911 pistol I'll ever buy. Unless someone has another suggestion of a 1911 that meets the requirements I posted a page ago.

a reply to: MisterSpock

Typically the only double stack 1911's are going to be made by companies like STI, Dan wesson, limcat all of which specialize in competition style pistols based on double stacked 1911 frames.

I understand perfectly well what your after, I just suppose I dont like 1911's so I'm naturally going to try and steer you away from them especially the over priced double stacks.

You sould take a look at CZ , all of there pistols are based off of John Brownings "Hi-Power pistol" design. In my opinion the Browning Hi-power pistol is the best pistol platform on earth, CZ took the design and double stacked it modified the frame and trigger making it one of the best pistols ever at least in my opinion. In many ways the Hi-power is a better design than the 1911 because it is John Brownings second pistol platform after his original 1911 design , he made many improvments intentionally opposite of the 1911 for patent reasons as by that time colt had purchased the 1911 design from Browning.

I do own an STI. it isn’t a double stack but an Escort. It is a great pistol. I use it as my daily carry first. My second choice for carry is the Para Ordnance Wart Hog, which is a double stack. Have shot the full size double stack STI’s and they are a phenomenal gun. Point of fact any STI is an extremely well made gun and they stand behind every one they make. The 1911 is the gun I use the most and prefer above others. And yes I do own a Glock, several Para’s, the STI, and even a Taurus to name a few.
If after doing your own research you decide to go with the STI you won’t be disappointed.

I shot a fellow shooter's 9mm singlestack STI at our outdoor range one year --- It is very accurate. Might as well buy the best 1911 that you can afford.

I have a tricked-out 1911 Kimber Eclipse long slide in 45 acp. It likes Winchester 185 grain semi wadcutters for target shooting.

My other semi auto centerfire pistols: 1911 Springfield long slide in 9mm, and a Mark 3 Browning Hi Power.

It is important that you train your subconscious...by practicing the manipulation of the thumb and grip safeties of a 1911.

a reply to: MisterSpock

My only .45 is a Stoger 8045 made using Beretta’s tooling and probably springs and pins as well. Nice, but good luck as that one literally fell into my lap when I gave up looking for a Beretta. Nice used price as well since my LGS bought a set with the 9 and 40 along with it but had no problem selling individually.

But they set things aside for what they think I might be interested in as well.

I posted awhile back that I do own an STI 1911. If you are still looking to purchase a high end 1911 and haven’t yet pulled the trigger on buying one you just may want to wait a bit.
I just found out today that Cobalt Kinetics, a maker of what in my opinion is one of, if not the best, AR available is discontinuing making this phenomenal rifle. And are transitioning into make a new breed of 1911 pistol. I have not been able to find out when they will be available to the public but if they stick to the quality and value that they have put into their rifles and it transitions into their new 1911 pistols it will be worth waiting for.
I know that when they come on the market I am going to do my best to get my hands on one. The “Contra” to be exact. Here is a link regarding this.

www.thefirearmblog.com...

MisterSpock

If you are not a big fan of 1911s, but like steel frame guns, I'd recommend Walther's Q4 Steel frame or Tac in steel or the Q5 in steel. Both versions have the ability use red dots or whatever you want.

Q4 steel frame
(Can't really find any good videos on the Q4 Steel frame since it's still relatively new I guess.)

Q5 Steel Frame (I recommend this one. I haven't shot a Q4 yet.)



The PPQ also comes in .22 and .45

Here's a slightly cheesy vid of the PPQ Navy version being torture tested


If you do want to go the route of 1911 STIs are nice, but having taken them apart, seen them inside and out, and shot them. They are nice, but I think they are overpriced.

I've seen the worst and best of various 1911s. I like Paras. In my opinion your best bet is to get one that has the ergonomics you like, and then take it to a gunsmith to get it tailored to your liking.

Here's a vid for funsies

This is the Walther PPQ M1 with paddle mag release. Hence why he says it's a little awkward. The PPQ M2 has the traditional button mag release.
In this video he also reliably hits targets out to 100 yards.


For even more funsies

In this video he is shooting the PPQ M2 5" with the original ported slide that they discontinied for some reason. You can still find the slides but you'll usually have to buy the whole pistol off someone to get it. The ported slides are now only found on the Q5.





Para 1911s can look pretty darn classy. I've heard people say they've had issues with them, but I've seen people put thousands of rounds through them. I've shot a few different ones myself, and I definitely like them. Also, they were the ones who innovated the double stack 1911.

Here's their website so you can see what they have to offer.
www.para-usa.com...

Here's a vid that explains some of the reasoning behind the gun.
.45 holds 15+1
..40 holds 16+1
and 9mm holds 18+1



And here's another Hickok45 vid, because he's a cool dude, and I respect his opinion.

a reply to: MisterSpock

If it starts to look like Democrats will take control in 2021, get the pistol as soon as you can. The prices will skyrocket by thousands of percent. Or, buy ten of them and sell 9 for a nice profit after 1/1/2021.

The 1911 is a fine weapon.

So is the Glock.

But for me, the one that feels right in my hands and shoots so true is my Smith & Wesson 9mm.

I love this gun!



The cable remote is OK too in a pinch as a weapon...

well i got 2 handguns, one i carry off and one for home defense next to my mossberg 500 in 12 or 20 ga.

my carry off pistol is a colt 1911, nothing fancy but will put a big hole in any would be perpetrator with bad intent.
my home defense is a Taurus Judge with either buck shot and slugs every other chamber or sometimes i might put .45 lc in.

a reply to: MisterSpock

No idea why the OP is no longer around - but I'm glad the thread is.

My personal fave?

CZ 2075 IMO and the opinion of many 'all time' shooters - it's the most reliable and the biggest bang for your buck - no pun intended.

Lovely conceal piece.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Check out the 410 Defender rounds if you haven't already.

winchester.com...

a reply to: Riffrafter

Yeah, I got the Smith & Wesson MP Shield 40. I love it.

Feels great in my hands and is easily concealable. And while it only hold 6+1 and 7+1, I load with JHP for extra stopping power.

A buddy of mine wants me to go with him to help him pick out a couple of new guns this weekend. He wants to get a DWX and DWX C, but we gotta see if Dan Wesson will ship to any of our local stores.

If that fails I'm probably going to pitch him the CZ Shadow 2.

I might pick up the CZ SP01.

I don't care much for over priced guns. High priced guns don't have a magical ability to make people shoot better.

They are nice. The craftsmanship is great, and they do shoot well, but I shoot well with a lot of pistols under $1000 as well.

I'd much rather buy a $700 gun, take it all apart, polish it, install my own springs, triggers, grips, and optics.

I could understand it if you're a sport/competition shooter, but even then I see a lot of people spending 2-3 grand on a pistol because it looks cool or because brand bias and they shoot like ass.

On the other hand I see people going into comp shooting with 1911s under a grand killin it.

So, if you got the money to blow on a high price gun then go for it. It's your money.

It's just that there are a lot of great guns that don't get the recognition they deserve.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

looks like the best of all worlds.
the plated disks remind me of young guns II where the deputy ask billy if

Bob Ollinger :

i got 18 dimes in each barrel, boy. you ever see what $1.8o can do to a $4o.oo steer, let alone a cheap little crook like yourself? plthth! you just taunt me again, boy. that's all i'm asking. just taunt me again

Billy the Kid after out house jail break,

hello bob good bye bob, best dollar eighty i ever spent.

a reply to: MisterSpock

What did you go with?