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It's your estimated rate of formation of complete fossilized remains which is false, not evolution.
originally posted by: cooperton
Given an average population of 50,000 that means there should be around 31,250,000,000 fossilized remains of these transitional species. Yet, we can't find any of these complete fossilized remains?
Face it, evolution is a lie.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
It's your estimated rate of formation of complete fossilized remains which is false, not evolution.
originally posted by: TheSkunk
For me it is very hard to imagine a singular animal breeding and adding a chromosome and still being compatible to continue breeding.
Fossils that old are almost never found complete, but this skeleton nicknamed "Turkana Boy" is fairly complete as fossils go, residing in a museum in Kenya where the anti-evolutionists are not too happy about it because some of them think the world is 6000 years old and it doesn't fit into their bible-based belief system.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
It's your estimated rate of formation of complete fossilized remains which is false, not evolution.
So out of the estimated 31 billion transitional hominids that were theorized to be walking around for millions of years, you believe we can't find one complete fossil of any of them?? The more likely answer is that there were no transitional hominids ever, because they never existed and evolution is a lie.
At least you're being more reasonable now than your dumb comment about a fish sprouting a leg not being able to find another fish who sprouted a leg to mate with. It's a lot more plausible that an organism can have an altered number of chromosomes, and find a breeding partner with an altered number of chromosomes. This paper contains some related research.
originally posted by: TheSkunk
For me it is very hard to imagine a singular animal breeding and adding a chromosome and still being compatible to continue breeding.
Evolution
Further information: Chimpanzee genome project
Humans have only twenty-three pairs of chromosomes, while all other extant members of Hominidae have twenty-four pairs.[7] (It is believed that Neanderthals and Denisovans had twenty-three pairs.)[7] Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.[8][9]
The evidence for this includes:
The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the chimpanzee, has nearly identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.[10][11]
The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere in the q21.3–q22.1 region.[12]
The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the q13 band, far from either end of the chromosome.[13]
“ We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2.
originally posted by: TheSkunk
Evolution
Further information: Chimpanzee genome project
Humans have only twenty-three pairs of chromosomes, while all other extant members of Hominidae have twenty-four pairs.[7] (It is believed that Neanderthals and Denisovans had twenty-three pairs.)[7] Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.[8][9]
The evidence for this includes:
The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the chimpanzee, has nearly identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.[10][11]
The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere in the q21.3–q22.1 region.[12]
The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the q13 band, far from either end of the chromosome.[13]
“ We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2.
This study even seems to allude to 2 apes making one human.
originally posted by: peter vlar
No, it’s describing how the LCA (last common ancestor) of chimpanzees and humans underwent a chromosomal fusion.
The same information that is located on Human Chromosome 2 exists in Chimpanzees,Gorilla and orangutan, but on 2 separate chromosomes.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: peter vlar
No, it’s describing how the LCA (last common ancestor) of chimpanzees and humans underwent a chromosomal fusion.
How would it have undergone a chromosomal fusion? It has never happened in nature, and has never been artificially induced in a lab either.
Yet you believe that this happened not just once, but twice in the same generation and these two male and female chromosomal fusion hominids managed to find each other and mate?
Even if a chromosomal fusion occurred, there would be two centromeres on the newly fused chromosome. How would they properly align on the metaphase plate necessary for cellular divisions and growth of an organism if they didnt have a single centromere?
The same information that is located on Human Chromosome 2 exists in Chimpanzees,Gorilla and orangutan, but on 2 separate chromosomes.
That is only if you look past the regions of the chromosome that don't agree with such wishful thinking. Take for example
the PGML, FOXD, CBWD, CXYorf1-like and other genes that are all embedded into the theorized fusion region that are not homologous with what we see on the Chimpanzee 2A and 2B chromosome.
Yet you believe that this happened not just once, but twice in the same generation and these two male and female chromosomal fusion hominids managed to find each other and mate?
You don't hear about these discrepancies because evolutionary theorists simply ignore the inconvenient demonstrations that invalidate the theory. The reason you think they match so well is because these experiments leave out the fact that, for example, there are 150,000 base pairs not found in the chimpanzee 2A and 2B chromosome yet are preseKnt in this supposed fusion site.
These extra genes were found after comparing the chimpanzee genome. You don't really hear about them in the sci-fi evolution blogs because they demonstrate these regions are not as homologous as evolutionists lead us to believe.
So not only has a chromosomal fusion never been replicated or observed in a lab, but the genome sequences of our theorized ancestors don't match the theory either.
originally posted by: TheSkunk
a reply to: peter vlarWouldn't the LCE be an ape and therefore 2 apes made a Human?
www.discovermagazine.com...
A close look at our genome and the genome of our close relatives reveals that we didn’t. We just combined a couple of them. Every now and then, chromosomes fuse. This fusion occurs as sperm and eggs develop, as pairs of chromosomes fold over each other and swap chunks of DNA. Sometimes two different chromosomes grab onto each other and then fail to separate. Scientists have observed both humans and mammals with fused chromosomes. Chromosomes typically have distinctive stretches of DNA in their center and at their ends. From time to time, scientists will find an individual that’s short a chromosome, but one of the chromosomes it retains now has an odd structure, with chromosome endings near the middle and other peculiar features. This might seem like a fantastic mutation–something like a human and a horse being joined into a centaur. Remarkably, however, fused chromosomes are real, and there are surprising number of normal, healthy people carrying them.
I am not asking you to prove speciation and or whether we came from apes.
I am asking how we got a breeding pair of humans via this evolution method.
Can we breed with Apes?
originally posted by: peter vlar
" Yet you believe that this happened not just once, but twice in the same generation and these two male and female chromosomal fusion hominids managed to find each other and mate?"
That’s not what I said and you know it. You’re twisting your misinterpretations and then inserting them into a false claim.
Evolution Of Universe
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Boadicea
id read that humans were capable of parthenogenesis , not that it was only females that could reproduce, but we were just asexual
we had no sex differentiation , then we developed sex and reproduction and the split
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: cooperton
The only way to maintain that position is to ignore entirely my last two posts or to have purposely opted not to read the information or links. That’s on you, not me.