MEDIA LANDSLIDE...Over 7200 Jobs Eliminated in the First 3 Quarters of 2019.

The problem is news is free and people generally don't want to pay for it. It is like porn....

It is a dying business model. Journalist no longer need to be tied to a big expensive operation and people don't buy print newspapers anymore.

The other issue is that journalism killed itself with the bias and shallow reporting. You get better quality news and analyses from independents on youtube imho. Any good journalist can easily publish their own content and report the news for free.

a reply to: Edumakated

Enough people buy print newspapers to empty the racks at our 7-Eleven most days.

a reply to: Chadwickus

What's sad is there is not much else they can do. It's not like they have needed "skills". For that I feel bad.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

Public Awareness comes in stages, unless there is a HUGE awakening, like the 911 attacks were.

a reply to: neutronflux

I've answered you. Job losses are indicators of an economic downturn. That however is not the topic, which is the insinuation that trust of Trump is the reason behind these job losses.

I deny that claim. Can you prove it?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Edumakated

Enough people buy print newspapers to empty the racks at our 7-Eleven most days.

Print as a whole is dying. Starbucks even recently announced will stop selling newspapers recently. Just because your one 7-11 may sell out doesn't meanit is cost effective to print those newspapers.

originally posted by: carewemust
Tuesday, October 15, 2019

I think President Donald Trump has empowered average Americans to be more aware of fake and/or misleading media publications and outlets. As a result, the public is "waking up" and scrutinizing what they see or read, more than ever before.

Americans are increasingly realizing that they've been duped/lied-to frequently, and are finding other trusted sources for news. This has caused more media layoffs in the first 9 months of this year, than in the 4 combined years prior to Donald Trump becoming President.

Sept 18, 2019 - In the past month, layoffs have hit Spin, ThinkProgress, Rooster Teeth, and others, bringing the total number of media layoffs in 2019 above 7,200, according to Business Insider's tally.

The latest cuts followed layoff announcements at BuzzFeed, CNN, Verizon, Vice Media, McClatchy, Disney, and Gannett — the largest newspaper publisher in the US.

For comparison, it's estimated that some 5,000 media jobs were cut from the market from 2014 to 2017.

More at: www.businessinsider.com...

Some of the higher-profile media outlets are injecting Political Biases of the owners, into their content.

For example, A "Project Veritas" undercover STING is currently exposing CNN. One of the segments reveals that CNN President Jeff Zucker tells employees several times per week on a 9am conference call, to focus on finding/using content that will help Democrats impeach President Donald Trump.

Constant Updates on the ExposeCNN Sting: twitter.com...

-CareWeMust

You misrepresented your own source, this isnt about news media but ALL media. One of their big examples is Rooster Teeth for crying out loud, they make youtube entertainment content.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: neutronflux

I've answered you. Job losses are indicators of an economic downturn. That however is not the topic, which is the insinuation that trust of Trump is the reason behind these job losses.

I deny that claim. Can you prove it?

Your the one that posted the false narrative.

Not when you blatantly ignore the real reasons why jobs are being lost at news papers and news startups.

If I started a business selling crap sandwiches and it fails, was it because of a failing economy? Or was it just a product the consumer didn’t want? Your confusing demand Vs downturn.

Imagine feeling sorry for people who worked in concert with the deep state to try to remove a duly elected President??? Aye aye aye.... No one should feel sorry for these media members. They deserve everything that's coming their way.

7200 Jobs huh?
they must have started with fact-checkers

a reply to: Gryphon66

I guess using your logic, the disappearance of payphone related jobs, and the disappearance of the mechanical typewriter industry are signs of the economic downturn.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Gryphon66

I guess using your logic, the disappearance of payphone related jobs, and the disappearance of the mechanical typewriter industry are signs of the economic downturn.

Nope.

You are desperately trying to distract from the topic by concentrating on whether job losses indicate an possible economic downturn. Perhaps in your world job losses, like deficits, don't matter.

The source in the OP regards job losses. OP tries to twist the facts in that article to suggest that the entirity of the claimed job losses are because of folks believing Donald Trump. That's absurd given the information in the article, which clearly demonstrate that there are various market forces at play. My opinion, offered as a followup to my main point, is that job losses could point to an economic downturn (meaning of the word "indicators") If you disagree with that, fine.

The actual point though is that OP does nothing to demonstrate or back up the claim that these 7200 job losses have to do with people trusting Trump or his tirades against a Free Press.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: neutronflux

I've answered you. Job losses are indicators of an economic downturn. That however is not the topic, which is the insinuation that trust of Trump is the reason behind these job losses.

I deny that claim. Can you prove it?

Your the one that posted the false narrative.

Not when you blatantly ignore the real reasons why jobs are being lost at news papers and news startups.

If I started a business selling crap sandwiches and it fails, was it because of a failing economy? Or was it just a product the consumer didn’t want? Your confusing demand Vs downturn.

See above. You've done nothing to prove that job losses don't indicate an possible economic downturn. If you have any proof along the lines of the OP's fallacious claim or your apparent claim that job losses can't affect the economy, I'll be glad to respond.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You

You've done nothing to prove that job losses don't indicate an possible economic downturn.

You might want to rectify the above with

Celebrating these continuing indications of a coming downturn in the economy seems counterproductive.

So how can a prove or disprove something that you admit is only possible?


Can you cite a source the newspaper and news startup industry is dying because of an economic downturn? Funny the term is dying? I think dying has more to do with changes in society than economics forecast. If the claim the economic heath of news papers for example was tied to the economy, then they would rebound. Newspapers are dying off despite the economy.

a reply to: neutronflux

I'm not making the absolute claim. You are.

I'm not sure how you'd backup anything you've claimed here.

Here's my claim:

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Most of the companies/publications in that article and most of the jobs lost have nothing to do with politics. Read beyond the click-bait title. Jobs lost at Verizon, Cox, Disney, etc.

Celebrating these continuing indications of a coming downturn in the economy seems counterproductive.

As I've already tried to explain to you, the first paragraph is my main claim. My secondary claim is that it seems that celebrating job losses is counterproductive. "Indications" means what it means.

You're the one who is trying to nitpick and cherry-pick my post and make absolute statements like there are no indications of an economic downturn. That's your claim, and if you can back that up, I'll be glad to comment further.

Repeating what I've said and what I mean is frankly boring to me.

a reply to: Gryphon66

And you tried to say that was the reason for Verizon layoffs.

Is that false.

So I cited a source that stated:

Verizon Communications says roughly 10,400 employees will participate in a voluntary retirement package that runs now through June 2019. The telecom giant, which currently has about 152,300 employees, says the voluntary layoffs are necessary amid Verizon’s effort to realign its business ahead of the 5G wireless network era.

www.channele2e.com...

Now. Can you cite any sources related to the layoffs referenced by the opening post, or you, are related to an economic downturn vs poor management and changes in demand due to the way media is consumed?

a reply to: jhn7537


The folks that are

media members who actively lied daily to try to help bring down a duly elected President.

are not the ones who are going to lose their jobs.

The people losing their jobs are going to be the janitors. the electricians. the office workers who handle the day to day.

Not the on-air people, or the producers, or their masters.

As AM asked a bit ago, on the first page I believe, whether this is a net positive, or negative for the economy.

I'd have to say negative. House payments are going to be tough to make. Kids are going to be harder to feed. etc...

a reply to: neutronflux

I've told you several times you are mistaken. I gave that quote regarding the number of job losses at Verizon because you were asking another poster for backup for their claim. Now you're trying to claim that was your response. Sheesh.

I'll back up what I've claimed, not what you'd like to hear; I've even restated my claims for you.

Can you backup the claim that job losses are not indicative of a economic downturn or not? Last chance.

MEDIA LANDSLIDE...Over 7200 Jobs Eliminated in the First 3 Quarters of 2019.

who cares?

All those jobs lost were replaced by other media platforms. I'm a media whore and I turn down jobs, blessed to be able to pick and chose who and how much $$$ I work for. Actually all digital media is an expanding industry and those with the appropriate education, production is a wide open field as are all the technical aspects. I'm at work now....

Google just built a yuggge facility south of Albq. and expanding everywhere. All you media haters should go RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! But it won't do a damn bit of good.

www.theverge.com...

If Alex Jones can create a media empire...what's that tell you? It tells me....If you know the system, you got a birds nest on the ground.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: neutronflux

I haven't been impressed with much of what I was told in college as life goes on.

That said, there are corrections in a system the size of the US economy; it is my hope, as opposed to the tone of the OP, that I am wrong and this is not another indication of downturn.

You seem to be ignoring this post in reply to you. It puts the lie to everything you're trying to claim.