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originally posted by: LittleByLittle
"Soulless" have souls but they are very weak and very ego demonically centered.
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TheGravity
I am claiming that there is no solid reasoning behind the idea that everyone has a soul, and so it should not be assumed to be a fact.
It seems like we all assume that everyone has a soul.
But if we are to really understand what the matrix is about then we cannot assume that everyone has a soul.
Determining if everyone has a soul or not is one piece to the puzzle to figuring out the truth about our reality.
The idea that everyone has a soul is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning. Because of this, it should not be accepted as fact that everyone has a soul.
A few places... each is a piece of the puzzle.
You want links?
You keep missing the point of what I am saying
It seems like we all assume that everyone has a soul. But if we are to really understand what the matrix is about then we cannot assume that everyone has a soul. The idea that everyone has a soul is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning. Because of this, it should not be accepted as fact that everyone has a soul.
Meat and sex are matrix traps.
That is not how you raise your frequency. Once you raise your frequency you can use your energy to create your experience within the matrix. I will never have sex or eat meat. That is for soulless ones.
Assuming makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
You have to make sacrifices to raise your frequency... That includes giving up meat and sex.
You don't seem to have a grasp on what I am saying...
What argument do you have to suggest that this is "ludicrous"?
The idea is not that we live in a literal computer stimulation but more of a dream state illusion. It can still be called a matrix though.
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: miri2019
If you can include your definition of a soul to include every living thing than your definition is not strict enough.
The soul can only be defined as the information receiver and not the animator. While a soul can animate a body, a body could be animated without requiring a soul to operate it.
originally posted by: SourceTruth
When a soul is born it still had a previous existence.
And no, the idea of a soul is not independent of the idea of reality being a stimulation. I don't mean a computer stimulation, I mean a dream state. But it can be compared to a computer stimulation.
Meat and sex are matrix traps. We are told by the matrix to do those things. They only belong in soulless ones realities.
These things are lower frequency and drain life force energy from source players.
It is the mind that thinks that it has a soul.
It is the mind that is receiving all of the information after all. The mind is what will think "I have a soul".
But the mind can exist without having a soul experiencing the mind. And so the mind can think to itself it has a soul and it can tell other minds that it has a soul, even if there is no soul connected to it.
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The soul may not be material, but the brain is and the mind is just something that comes from the brain.
[...]
If we start with that idea and include with it the idea that everyone has a soul, then each person's soul must survive death. This would create an ever increasing number of souls that exist somewhere else.
If you discard the idea that everyone has a soul and instead use the idea that only some people have a soul, then you don't have this same problem.
And if you accept that the soul can live on after death, why should the soul not have existed before birth? How can we have souls being created if there are souls that exist before? Because all of these souls have to come from somewhere.
These questions can be solved more easily with the idea that not everyone has a soul. This does bring up additional implications and it is not a complete solution, but it is more logically coherent then the idea that everyone has a soul, and it can answer these questions more effectively.
originally posted by: InhaleExhale
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TheGravity
I am claiming that there is no solid reasoning behind the idea that everyone has a soul, and so it should not be assumed to be a fact.
Talking about assumptions
maybe it is you who has made the biggest one to get your point across
It seems like we all assume that everyone has a soul.
Um no it doesn't seem like that at all.
How do assume to know what we all assume about souls?
How can you even assume all believe in concept of a soul?
But if we are to really understand what the matrix is about then we cannot assume that everyone has a soul.
by matrix you mean our perceived reality?
What is with all this "we" nonsense you keep talking about?
Do you think you can speak and think for others?
Determining if everyone has a soul or not is one piece to the puzzle to figuring out the truth about our reality.
I would think that determining if such a thing as souls as is defined by yourself actually exist before you can start determining if everyone has one.
The idea that everyone has a soul is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning. Because of this, it should not be accepted as fact that everyone has a soul.
No one that I have ever know, spoken with or read what they have typed on the internet thinks this is a fact.
Most to me anyhow seem to know that the concept of a soul is belief held by themselves or by other individuals or groups of individuals.
A few places... each is a piece of the puzzle.
so how many youtube videos complete this puzzle?
You want links?
Links to you tube videos, yeah that wasn't hard to guess.
Hmmmmmm
maybe you don't have a soul and are just a program seeing as you are so easy to read.
You keep missing the point of what I am saying
No
most get th epoint and are saying your logic is flawed
if you had expressed all of this as youre own personal belief then no one woudl have a leg to stand on
but you start your thread with
It seems like we all assume that everyone has a soul. But if we are to really understand what the matrix is about then we cannot assume that everyone has a soul. The idea that everyone has a soul is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning. Because of this, it should not be accepted as fact that everyone has a soul.
Did the YouTube videos tell you this is what we all assume or is this your own assumption about what we all assume?
Meat and sex are matrix traps.
You do know that sex is used to procreate?
Without sex no one is conceived in a way that our biological system has evolved into or been designed to procreate.
That is not how you raise your frequency. Once you raise your frequency you can use your energy to create your experience within the matrix. I will never have sex or eat meat. That is for soulless ones.
Oh my.
Do you know what frequency is?
Assuming makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
Glad you understand that
Do you see the biggest assumption in this thread is your OP?
or haven't you raised your "frequency" enough to enlighten you to this fact?
You have to make sacrifices to raise your frequency... That includes giving up meat and sex.
While other beliefs could argue the exact opposite and that you do need sex and to eat flesh to raise your frequency.
You don't seem to have a grasp on what I am saying...
because your young and inexperienced mind is programmed and not reality based but belief based using the assumptions that we all believe in souls and the we all assume everyone has a soul.
What argument do you have to suggest that this is "ludicrous"?
The poster you are replying to didn't suggest it is but gave their opinion that it is so there is no argument but a simple opinion that what you are saying is ludicrous.
The idea is not that we live in a literal computer stimulation but more of a dream state illusion. It can still be called a matrix though.
So then can it also be called delusion or a deep thought exercise or any other number of things?
Why cant the idea be that it is a computer simulated reality and that God or the gods are the programmers?
originally posted by: eitea
I think is that not only everyone has a soul, but everything has a soul. Souls just have a lot of different substance and observable complexity. Not all souls know how to make connections and then there may be an illusion of the absence of soul.
originally posted by: miri2019
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: miri2019
If you can include your definition of a soul to include every living thing than your definition is not strict enough.
The soul can only be defined as the information receiver and not the animator. While a soul can animate a body, a body could be animated without requiring a soul to operate it.
Sure, I can say that every *living* thing is a soul, however small it may be. Note the stress on the word "living". But I'm still researching how deep that goes. Plants? trees? Some organic matter like black goo?? Maybe.
I'd be extra careful with the terminology -- exact definitions make it or break it!!
So to be more precise, you could have said that "Not every moving entity is a soul". Note that I didn't use the word "everyone", "being", etc, but "entity".
The soul is the information receiver and it is the animator too. We call this entity a "living being". Whereas a body that could be animated without a soul is a robot, however sophisticated it may be. I call it an "automaton". It'd be very helpful if you keep these two concepts separate, (souled) "living being", (soulless) "automatons". The concept of a "moving entity" is more general, it comprises both "living being" and "automatons" concepts.
Have you heard about Donald Marshall and underground cloning centers? Check youtube, his videos are still up. He precisely talks about the soul transfer from one body to the other, the powers that be have already figured it out how to do trans-migration of the souls between bodies.
originally posted by: miri2019
This the second part of what I posted before and wanted to keep them separate.
[ Please don't take the nature of my posting as argumentative, but simply as an effort to bring clarity and some truth into it, which I gained from experience and different sources ]
I see your persistence, and that's good, it pushed me to write this longer answer. And I see your flawed assumptions which could lead you into mistaken conclusions. So let me elaborate more.
originally posted by: SourceTruth
When a soul is born it still had a previous existence.
I'd be very careful with the terminology - A soul is not born as such, God creates it and it surely has many experiences after that creation, thus the concept of reincarnation.
And no, the idea of a soul is not independent of the idea of reality being a stimulation. I don't mean a computer stimulation, I mean a dream state. But it can be compared to a computer stimulation.
I wouldn't be so sure when it comes to such incomplete (and probably erroneous) concepts like "the matrix", "dream state", "illusion", "computer simulation", especially the last three ones. Maybe it's safer to define such a concept as an Almighty Creator, that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent (O-O-O) God, and we, as living beings live *inside* this reality created by the Almighty. Or something like, we live inside this gigantic cosmic Mind, Consciousness, we call God, Supreme Being, that controls every thing in it. Now that makes sense, and it's based on millennia of human thought and also on personal experience.
Meat and sex are matrix traps. We are told by the matrix to do those things. They only belong in soulless ones realities.
These things are lower frequency and drain life force energy from source players.
Both of them, meat and sex, are a vital part of the human life, however low in vibration they may be. One can't come from a high place and tell the majority of the humans (99% ?) that meat and sex are "low frequency activities" or "belong in soulless ones realities". Keep in mind that these are basic instincts of the human life, which the Creator decided for them to be so. The life here is part of the spiritual evolution of the living beings, and such a being cannot go from one low level to a higher one without going through the intermediate levels as well. If one decides to abstain from such activities, good for him/her, but that decision must come in a natural evolving way, nothing forced internally or externally.
Please don't forget that your body came from a low vibration activity too.
It is the mind that thinks that it has a soul.
It is the mind that is receiving all of the information after all. The mind is what will think "I have a soul".
But the mind can exist without having a soul experiencing the mind. And so the mind can think to itself it has a soul and it can tell other minds that it has a soul, even if there is no soul connected to it.
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The soul may not be material, but the brain is and the mind is just something that comes from the brain.
These are very deep and difficult concepts you're delving into, have someone experienced to guide you.
This much I know, that it's not "the mind thinks it has a soul", the mind cannot think "I have a soul", on the contrary, the soul is self-aware of the thinking process and the mind that is doing such thinking.
The brain and the mind are two different concepts, and no, the mind does not come from the brain, it is separate from the brain. Research a bit the subject of OOBE, out-of-body-experiences, where people separate from their bodies and the process of thinking continues. It's a very interesting subject.
Please gain some more experience, read more, connect with God to guide in these very very deep and difficult subjects.
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If we start with that idea and include with it the idea that everyone has a soul, then each person's soul must survive death. This would create an ever increasing number of souls that exist somewhere else.
If you discard the idea that everyone has a soul and instead use the idea that only some people have a soul, then you don't have this same problem.
I see your statistical concern of an ever-increasing number of souls going somewhere. I'm guessing that you're aware of an *infinite* number of different universes, physical, spiritual and what not, that we are not alone in this planet, that there are other physical inhabited planets. We don't know much yet. God is infinite and His universes of any kind are infinite too.
There's plenty of room for every soul.
And if you accept that the soul can live on after death, why should the soul not have existed before birth? How can we have souls being created if there are souls that exist before? Because all of these souls have to come from somewhere.
These questions can be solved more easily with the idea that not everyone has a soul. This does bring up additional implications and it is not a complete solution, but it is more logically coherent then the idea that everyone has a soul, and it can answer these questions more effectively.
Yes, souls have existed before the body's birth, nothing new here. God always creates new souls, not necessarily coming in the physical universes.
I think you're confusing the process of the souls' creation with their coming into this planet. Not really, to my knowing they start their journey in other spiritual universes, totally disconnected from the physical universes, such as our own.
If you're receptive to what I wrote here, I'd later recommend a very informative book about the subject of the living beings, God, angels and more.
originally posted by: miri2019
Both of them, meat and sex, are a vital part of the human life, however low in vibration they may be. One can't come from a high place and tell the majority of the humans (99% ?) that meat and sex are "low frequency activities" or "belong in soulless ones realities". Keep in mind that these are basic instincts of the human life, which the Creator decided for them to be so. The life here is part of the spiritual evolution of the living beings, and such a being cannot go from one low level to a higher one without going through the intermediate levels as well. If one decides to abstain from such activities, good for him/her, but that decision must come in a natural evolving way, nothing forced internally or externally.
Please don't forget that your body came from a low vibration activity too.
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79
You have to make sacrifices to raise your frequency... That includes giving up meat and sex.
originally posted by: Advantage
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79
You have to make sacrifices to raise your frequency... That includes giving up meat and sex.
WHAT>> My 2 favorite things. ALl meat or just red meat.. cause I love red meat. Can I sacrifice a non red meat thing and not have to give up the sex and red meat as a sacrifice? Like flush a few fish and eat a lot of kale and seaweed for my iodine needs? What are the disadvantages of vibrating at a lower frequency?? Is it like flying coach?
Personally I think everyone has a soul, but not everyone has a spirit. I think that the soul can be joined to the spirit.. or it remains a thing tied to the Earth because it was made of the Earth and of man when man was made.. with no hope of being joined to the spirit and freed to commune with the Creator.
originally posted by: SourceTruth
originally posted by: Advantage
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79
You have to make sacrifices to raise your frequency... That includes giving up meat and sex.
WHAT>> My 2 favorite things. ALl meat or just red meat.. cause I love red meat. Can I sacrifice a non red meat thing and not have to give up the sex and red meat as a sacrifice? Like flush a few fish and eat a lot of kale and seaweed for my iodine needs? What are the disadvantages of vibrating at a lower frequency?? Is it like flying coach?
Personally I think everyone has a soul, but not everyone has a spirit. I think that the soul can be joined to the spirit.. or it remains a thing tied to the Earth because it was made of the Earth and of man when man was made.. with no hope of being joined to the spirit and freed to commune with the Creator.
Well, it depends if you have a soul.
If you have a soul these things are draining energy from you. By staying in a lower frequency you are staying in a locked script that prevents you from experiencing anything outside of that script.
I don't see a reason why everyone should have a soul.
Did you even see the link to the youtube channels I posted?
I'll post them again. This is a channel that called Quartz Crystal.
She actually has the answers about this entire reality.
You may not believe it yet, but I am a hundred percent sure that everything she says is true.
This is another channel by someone who watched her videos and made videos off of them:
This is where I got the information about meat and sex about, and frequency.
If we accept the idea that consciousness exists then we can define a concept known as a soul based on that concept.
However, if you cannot accept that such a concept as consciousness exists, then we do not have anything to base our discussion on for this topic. We can disagree about the definition of consciousness, but we should agree that exists.
First you say that not everyone has a soul, and then you start to question the belief in a soul.
I can try to define what a soul is based of the idea of consciousness, but we may not agree on that definition.
When we consider this concept of consciousness, we understand that we experience consciousness while being in a human body.
It could be assumed that because we, being conscious, are experiencing a human body, then every human body must be "inhabited" by a consciousness
originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: frostjon361
I am only making the claim that there is no solid reasoning behind a certain hypothesis that everyone has a soul. I'm not necessarily trying to prove that not everyone has a soul, I am just pointing out that there is no solid reasoning behind the idea that everyone has a soul.