Leopard print apparel for young girls is wrong

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses
IMHO its a fine line between an innocent child liking cat print clothing and an innocent child falling prey to 'sex kitten programming'. (Disney, MKUltra etc.)
Do some research into Disney, Hollywood Sex Kitten, MKUltra programming and make an informed parental decision.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Vindication! Even if we're a minority, there's at least one man and one woman on the same page on this one. Thanks for commenting. We can be gynolphobes together.

a reply to: stosh64

You just grazed the larger issue.

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Yes you have struck a chord.

Listen and listen carefully. or someday it will be your daughter with the chord.

If you want to keep her off the stripper pole, don't worry worry about leopard print. The most important thing that she needs is a solid relationship with YOU. a girl learns how to relate to boys and men from her father. If she can have a deep meaningful relationship with you, she will have the self esteem and self worth to wait for a deep relationship with other men/boys. She will not be fooled into thinking that her only value is between her legs.

When your wife refused to buy her leopard print, did she tell your daughter that you don't like it. No matter how gently the refusal, it comes down to the same thing. Girls are stupid. Girls need to be told what to wear because their judgement can't be trusted. She would have felt ashamed. The lesson learned....listen to men. Not woman because it wasn't your wife who thought it was too sexual...it was you!!

Talk to her, play with her, bring her fishing hunting, atv righting...whatever and when your relationship is stong...when her self esteem is well established, when she knows her value and worth reflected in her eyes, well leopard print will not matter

OH and take a look at leopard print tshirts for boys

www.google.com... QsAR6BAgGEAE&biw=1600&bih=789

see you are being completely gynolphobic...now is't that sad for a father to feel toward his daughter

Are you a woman? If so, how old are you? I'm getting 16, maybe 15...either that or you're in your early twenties just out of college, or maybe still in college and last semester you took a "Sexuality and Women in Society" class.

Whether I'm right on or not, either way, your post is a bit ridiculous.

For instance, a meaningful relationship between dad and daughter is NOT built by a dad saying "Wear whatever you want, honey! I KNOW that you are not stupid, and I'm proving this to you because I'm letting you make all of the decisions. Yes sweetheart, wear that leopard print cropped top to church! Who cares what people think of you- I know you're not dumb."

This is part of what is wrong in society today: parents letting their CHILDREN make all of their own decisions, and making decisions for themselves without having the necessary life experience and therefore don't know all of the factors to consider which might have consequences to whatever decision the CHILD makes. Children who are allowed to do whatever the hell they want often end up feeling like really, they don't matter. They sense deep down that their parents didn't care enough to give them the guidance that ALL CHILDREN need.

That girl who gets to wear a cropped leopard print top to church? She is very much going to sense the absolute strangeness coming at her from every single person she meets that day at church. But she won't know why, because dumb-ass dad didn't even care enough about her to put some reasonable boundaries on her choices. So she gets to go through life randomly feeling like she is strange, but not know why, an do you think that is good for a child? Do you think she will appreciate her dad later, when she realizes that she's felt alienated out in the world so many times becUse he let her call her own shots before she was equipped to do so? Do you think she will feel he really truly cared about her??

That is just the beginning of the objections to be made with your entire post. But I will say this to you: if a person knows their worth, they don't feel the need to go around demanding everyone mirror it back to them; nor do they have their world crumble and believe they must be stupid because aomeome told them they shouldn't wear something.

I'm interested in the opinions of other men with young daughters!

Stand and be counted, brothers!

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

If you can think of a young boy wearing a leopard print t-shirt, and you don't think the boy looks cheap and slutty, please rethink your predjuice.

Don't you think that woman are tired of being told what they can wear and can't wear by the men in their lives.

Yes I know that you are talking about a little girl but what you are doing is sexualialising a girl and making her feel ashamed.

Stop it. If men ever want a sexual partner that is truly their equal, then stop making us ashamed.

Tired of Control Freaks (even fathers who think that a young girl could ever be sexual, except in the eyes of a pedo)

Oh my goodness, someone asks a simple question and you turn it into a feminist narcissistic rant
What’s wrong with you people

a reply to: stosh64

I so have to agree with you. I agree that a person should be free to wear or not wear whatever pleases them and this would be no problem in a perfect world. Needless to say, our world is way less than perfect.

In a society where people are brainwashed to believe that what you wear, what you drive, hell, even what shampoo you use, will make you super desirable, and is led to believe this is a good thing. Our young children are falling victim to the advertisement at a younger and younger age.

This by itself would not be a big deal, however, making one's self super desirable can generate many unwanted problems that young children have no way of being able to process.

By no means am I saying that a pre-teen barely dressed is asking for it if they are victims of an assault, but I am so surprised sometimes at what parents allow their children to wear to unsupervised events and how they can still believe that they are safe to do so. Especially this new business about not wearing underwear. Again, I want to stress that I wish that we a lived safely in a clothing is optional world, but we don't. Maybe one day we can go back to Eden II.

a reply to: Raggedyman

So when a little girl wears leopard print, she look slutty. Same leopard print on a boy barely registers.

Face it guys - girls and woman are different. We have curves and graces that men just don't have. And men have brains that are hard wired to look at anything female.

So explain to me....if you can...why its not ok for a muslin man to demand that woman wear tents and veils to hide their "beauty" and but its ok to decide that a certain print of cloth is too "slutty" for a female child and should be the property of only males. Like white is only worn by men in middle east and woman is restricted to black.

I notice that you are not saying anything about the cut of the garment, spaghetti straps , crop tops but only that a certain print of cloth is too "slutty".

I dare you to ask your daughter why exactly she wasn't allowed to buy leopard print. I notice you were careful not to say. I notice that you were also careful not to ask us how she feels about wearing leopard print and how she feels about the restriction on her but presumably not her brothers.

go ahead - give us the whole store.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

A person posed a question and you decided to grab your soapbox and, not a step of hesitation, not a stutter, just moan and bitch

Simple question asking for a simple answer, why not just offer up something nice, simple and precise

You are a control freak, you use moaning and bitching to control, sad really

Doesn’t work on me, I don’t need what you are selling, all you can do is try get in my face to control me, just like your post

Happy to break down your post and show you the control freak aspect of it if you like

Otherwise, go save a hippy or something

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

It's not just pre-teens either though. I routinely see teenage girls in my town wearing utterly ridiculous excuses for jeans. These jeans are skintight rags, slashed from the pockets to the shins! It's like they let tigers process the jeans before selling them to idiot teenage girls. I can't even imagine what it's like to put them on! Your toes would catch on every slash...they must have a short self life.

It's ironic, you know. Five years ago I wouldn't have given a #, but I don't want my little girl to be one of those idiots in their skintight, tiger-clawed, fishnetjeans. It's asking for some kind of trouble. We don't have to play stupid as a society. In a society where men are castigated for their natural sexual drives, we should demand that females reciprocate by recognizing their immense power. Some do.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Simple question: am I wrong to restrict my young daughter from wearing leopard print because I perseives any female, no matter the age as slutty, if she wears it.

Simple Answer: Yes you are wrong. You wrong to place restrictions on your daughter that you would not place on your son. You are wrong to perceive a girl as slutty just because she wears a print. The perception is all on your part, not hers. Let a child be a child

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Oh, my wife see's it your way. I see everyone wearing yoga pants these days as if its proper and its how people dress in general where I see a problem. Its sloppy and promiscuous, but I reserve my opinions unless asked. Leopard print does not strike me as slutty unless the outfit is distasteful to begin with.

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Woman in the middle east suffer the same sexual assaults when they wear a tent. How do you explain that?

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: Raggedyman

I notice that you were also careful not to ask us how she feels about wearing leopard print and how she feels about the restriction on her but presumably not her brothers.

go ahead - give us the whole store.

What are you talking about? I have been very candid with you. I do not appreciate your insinuating tone, but then again, you sound like a total asshole...so I am not surprised by it.

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses
but I reserve my opinions unless asked.

Yowza, did I just take a jab to the nose?

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Stop being a control freak woman...
I made no comment on what kids should wear, just your moaning and bitching a simple question

You are incredibly rude and arrogant, sick of people like you going on and on and on and on
Learn some decorum and stop picking fights you aren’t smart enough to win

I never made a comment about what children should or shouldn’t wear, just people moaning and ranting at others at simple questions

I won’t be controlled by a ranting feminist, scoot toots 🦄🌈😬

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

were you very open?

You failed to ask your daughter why she likes to were leopard print. You don't know if she would have answered if it made her feel fast or powerful or if she liked to wear it because the boy next door likes to look at her when she wears it.

Why?? Is her motives and opinions not important to you?

You didn't bother to tell her your decision that she should not wear it but that duty would fall to her mother. Why? Are you avoiding responsibility?

You failed to tell us what excuse your wife gave for not buying the leopard print? Why?

Maybe there's a happy medium?

My son wanted a mohawk and I was unwilling to let him have the full mohawk treatment so we met in the middle and he can wear temporary hair color as he chooses.

Perhaps your daughter doesn't get to wear leopard print, but maybe there is a throw pillow or something she can put on her bed that has a leopard print on it? I don't know. My parents gave all the grandsons body pillows in a rainbow leopard print a few years ago, and it's still one of my son's favorite possessions. I don't care that he has it because who's going to see it in his bedroom?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Hmm - You asked me to answer a simple question. I did so at your request. Still I am not allowed to speak.

Hmmm - so apparently unless I agree and pander to the male opinion - I am wrong whichever way I express myself.

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

It's not just pre-teens either though. I routinely see teenage girls in my town wearing utterly ridiculous excuses for jeans. These jeans are skintight rags, slashed from the pockets to the shins! It's like they let tigers process the jeans before selling them to idiot teenage girls. I can't even imagine what it's like to put them on! Your toes would catch on every slash...they must have a short self life.

It's ironic, you know. Five years ago I wouldn't have given a #, but I don't want my little girl to be one of those idiots in their skintight, tiger-clawed, fishnetjeans. It's asking for some kind of trouble. We don't have to play stupid as a society. In a society where men are castigated for their natural sexual drives, we should demand that females reciprocate by recognizing their immense power. Some do.

Welcome to the world of having a daughter. I get it , no one wants a daughter to dress provocatively.

You do have to realize that no matter how a lady dresses does not invoke an invitation to be violated.

Let's take a look at the extreme and some main stream Islamic beliefs- a woman has to cover her head and body so not to entice a man to find her desirable. Basically everything is the woman's fault- no personal responsibility for the man to control his desires.