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Very good question, all these threads I either create or comment on are just to break people from 100% dependence on the evolutionary theories and it's concepts of the origins of our existence which is in my opinion is like a drug that is trapping the mind and it's very addictive. It panders to those of the highest intellect and education making it extremely hard for them to break free from.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
[...] how exactly do you pander to a scientist whose mind is trained to separate fact from fiction? your words seem to suggest that science itself is just an elaborate marketing ploy.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
[...] how exactly do you pander to a scientist whose mind is trained to separate fact from fiction? your words seem to suggest that science itself is just an elaborate marketing ploy.
Magicians will tell you that the "scientist" is most often the easiest to fool because they have very specific expectations as to how reality should work. As for pandering to them... you appeal to their ego. Mensa knows this. You just tell them that they're the smartest person in the room and you can get them to do anything. Robots, however, are not so easy to butter up.
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: cooperton
What is funny here is it s clear you just searched the paper for key words.
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: cooperton
Ahh so you just read the first sentence?
the most notable omission in this whole discussion is a testable theory demonstrating the who/how/when/why of dna or rna being coded by some hyperintelligent cosmic agency. "intelligent design" is not an answer, just a very general description of a collection of facts that have not been presented nor verified in any meaningful sense. we need to see facts that answer the above questions.
...sequences floating by.
The dilemma this creates for [the so-called chemical] evolution [theory of life] is expressed by Franchis Hitching (evolutionist): “With oxygen in the air, the first amino acid would never have got started; without oxygen, it would have been wiped out by cosmic rays.”(2) I.e. UV radiation.
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The same energy that would split the simple compounds in the atmosphere would even more quickly decompose any complex amino acids that formed.
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However, if it is assumed that amino acids somehow reached the oceans and were protected from the destructive ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere, what then? Hitching explained: “Beneath the surface of the water there would not be enough energy to activate further chemical reactions; water in any case inhibits the growth of more complex molecules.”
So once amino acids are in the water, they must get out of it if they are to form larger molecules and evolve toward becoming proteins useful for the formation of life. But once they get out of the water, they are in the destructive ultraviolet light again! “In other words,” Hitching says, “the theoretical chances of getting through even this first and relatively easy stage [getting amino acids] in the evolution of life are forbidding.”
originally posted by: Blue Shift
DNA doesn't really do anything unless it's already in a viable living structure like a cell. As for how it originated, it was sucked in the form of a tiny bacterial-like cell from some distant point in future (or maybe it was just yesterday) through a micro vacuum conduit back in time to around 4 billion years ago -- a least in this neck of the universe. Well, you say, how did that life come to be? The answer of course is that it grew from a cell that came from the future. Because that's the way time works.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
pandering to those of the highest intellect and education...how exactly do you pander to a scientist whose mind is trained to separate fact from fiction? your words seem to suggest that science itself is just an elaborate marketing ploy.
DNA is a code, no... it’s been deciphered as a code.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
I can also assure you that there are very accomplished scientists (biologists no less) who believe there is a higher power in the universe and set the laws of nature in motion, and we have the privilege to have the intelligence and curiosity to try unlocking those mysteries through science and perseverance.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: 57ORM1IV
DNA is a code, no... it’s been deciphered as a code.
Again....more mental gymnastics that deny reality, very sad.
It's like saying computer code like JAVA and HTML didn't have any intelligence behind it, and somebody that discovers it would merely decipher it as code, but then think it really isn't for some bizarre reason.
Just a silly statement.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: 57ORM1IV
DNA is a code, no... it’s been deciphered as a code.
Again....more mental gymnastics that deny reality, very sad.
It's like saying computer code like JAVA and HTML didn't have any intelligence behind it, and somebody that discovers it would merely decipher it as code, but then think it really isn't for some bizarre reason.
Just a silly statement.