White House Official Says Chinese Forces Are on Hong Kong’s Border

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

It's already been ended. China decides who they are allowed to vote on. They have no vote and no voice, that is why they are protesting. Only 1,000 people out of 4 million get to vote, and China decides who wins. It is not what the people were promised.

a reply to: Blundo

Sadly there is not much we can do if PRC Forces press into Hong Kong. I love Hong Kong, talk about a vibrant city. Sadly, the PRC is in a tight situation. If this free expression is picked up in China's mainland regions, then the PRC Government has major problems. PRC has always known the real power is in it's huge number of citizens but, what happens when the citizens of the PRC realize that? This could fizzle or it could end in a blood bath. The PRC really has it's back against the wall on this. I hope they negotiate and resolve because if they don't........shudder.

a reply to: ServiusTull

So far their answer has been to jail all the leaders and move to end the protests.

originally posted by: ServiusTull
a reply to: Blundo

Sadly there is not much we can do if PRC Forces press into Hong Kong. I love Hong Kong, talk about a vibrant city. Sadly, the PRC is in a tight situation. If this free expression is picked up in China's mainland regions, then the PRC Government has major problems. PRC has always known the real power is in it's huge number of citizens but, what happens when the citizens of the PRC realize that? This could fizzle or it could end in a blood bath. The PRC really has it's back against the wall on this. I hope they negotiate and resolve because if they don't........shudder.

The PRC (and all totalitarian governments) will erode in power over time because Liberty is an emergent property of social interaction.

Although there are ups and downs, over time history has shown that people increasingly expect more Liberty and less Tyranny. So all governments everywhere have to accept that their power will wane in the long term.

The worst possible action the PRC can take is to use force here in an overt manner. That will actually create an even worse situation and threaten their control more so than if they just sit back and watch.

Also if you haven't seen this yet check it out:



Basically the government secretly hired thugs to beat the protestors in order to skirt the political fallout had they done it officially as a government backed action.

But anyone with a brain knows who's behind the violent attacks.
The police then later are said to have been violent towards the protestors.

Essentially the government is doing what governments always do when they can't force everyone to bend to their corrupt will - they get violent and hurt people for dissent.

What good is the rule of law when the government doesn't follow the law? Contrary to popular belief China is indeed a Republic and has laws prohibiting this type of violent retribution, it's just super unlikely to see their government crack down on their foot soldiers for this - because the tyrants almost certainly ordered their troops to do this.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

It is totally true and a complete losing game for both US/UK because it was caused by Opium war. HK is actually should be part of Guang Dong Province before British takeover. It should be reunited under that province which is majority speaking Cantonese.

Any war involving HK will make the evil gov even more evil.