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The good news is that this problem that civilization creates can be solved through the technology that civilization creates. In my opinion it is time to think a lot more seriously about putting more resources into genetic engineering because genetic engineering is the solution to the devolution.
Women may care about that stuff for sex but not for marriage because when females are looking for a man to marry what they want is security and in the modern civilized world that means a good job/wealth and a good credit rating - the size of a guys penis is unimportant as far as the men that modern civilized females will choose to breed with. And this is why the scientific Italian study found that penes are 10% smaller than they were 50 years ago. It is civilization that is making penes smaller not deep 'feminists'.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Phantom423
It's pretty hard to know what natural is don't you think?
I mean how sure are you we aren't programmed to do exactly what we are doing? Chimps are heading to the stone age maybe this is what life just does? Maybe the next stage of evolution is this and it just simply exists as a possibility in the multiverse.
originally posted by: Phantom423
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Phantom423
It's pretty hard to know what natural is don't you think?
I mean how sure are you we aren't programmed to do exactly what we are doing? Chimps are heading to the stone age maybe this is what life just does? Maybe the next stage of evolution is this and it just simply exists as a possibility in the multiverse.
All we have as scientists is our data. Speculation is fine, but in order to validate those speculations, we need the data. We don't know what evolution has in store for us. We can model what we think might happen. We can use AI to assess what we know and how the past might predict the future. But there are no assurances. We go with what we got - that's it.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Phantom423
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Phantom423
It's pretty hard to know what natural is don't you think?
I mean how sure are you we aren't programmed to do exactly what we are doing? Chimps are heading to the stone age maybe this is what life just does? Maybe the next stage of evolution is this and it just simply exists as a possibility in the multiverse.
All we have as scientists is our data. Speculation is fine, but in order to validate those speculations, we need the data. We don't know what evolution has in store for us. We can model what we think might happen. We can use AI to assess what we know and how the past might predict the future. But there are no assurances. We go with what we got - that's it.
Evolution is a bad way of thinking in terms of most who are not in the field. There are many forms of evolution and they are not linear as far as we know.
There is a force put on biological species on earth most people consider evolution. We dont really understand how it works. Like my hens crowing and growing spurs when I don't have a rooster. There are hormone triggers etc..but evolution is just the observation of most likely a quantum event. Which is entangled with the universe and so on.
I would argue it's impossible to do something unnatural or it wouldn't be possible.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Phantom423
Luckily science is also philosophical particularly the areas that cross with cosmology. This is the actual scientific process. Created by philosophers from descartes to newton.
You start with a hypothesis either from data or from curiosity and then create a way to falsify the theory and test it.
originally posted by: Phantom423
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Phantom423
Luckily science is also philosophical particularly the areas that cross with cosmology. This is the actual scientific process. Created by philosophers from descartes to newton.
You start with a hypothesis either from data or from curiosity and then create a way to falsify the theory and test it.
This is the scientific method as understood by real scientists.
I don't know how philosophy interfaces with cosmology other than it might be fun to discuss over a martini. The process itself must be objective. How your hypothesis develops into theory and then into experimental design etc is straight forward. If your hypothesis includes untestable ideas, then it's not part of science. Philosophy is comprised of opinions - some may be valid, others may not. If it's testable and measurable, then it's science. If it isn't, then it's something else.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Phantom423
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Phantom423
Luckily science is also philosophical particularly the areas that cross with cosmology. This is the actual scientific process. Created by philosophers from descartes to newton.
You start with a hypothesis either from data or from curiosity and then create a way to falsify the theory and test it.
This is the scientific method as understood by real scientists.
I don't know how philosophy interfaces with cosmology other than it might be fun to discuss over a martini. The process itself must be objective. How your hypothesis develops into theory and then into experimental design etc is straight forward. If your hypothesis includes untestable ideas, then it's not part of science. Philosophy is comprised of opinions - some may be valid, others may not. If it's testable and measurable, then it's science. If it isn't, then it's something else.
Not sure if you are just not reading what I said but your chart is exactly the same.
And lol philosophy is literally where science came from. Have you heard of empiricism?
Do you know Hopper's falsifiablility?
It seems you are not exactly sure what science actually is. Perhaps you should look into the teams of people who work at CERN and fermilabs for the experiments or any field of theoretical science....which is where new ideas are tested...like quantum scale evolutionary pattern....or as in the current model multiple dimensions...it comes from math....
Curiosity is what drives real science. Not how to make better cellphones.