Just listened to Erica Luke's radio show with Skinwalker ranch guard

I know nothing of her aside that I've heard her name before. She had a guy named Chris Marks on the show who used to work security for Bob Bigelow on the ranch.

I was hoping for new info on what goes on at the ranch, but for the most part the show was spent bashing George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell and several others. And tons of a@@ kissing of Ryan Burns (whom I have no problem with, but still).

Both Erica and this security guard sound like very disagreeable people who could be jealous of others talking about the ranch. Waste of airtime, and very unprofessional. And despite all their bluster, no new info on the ranch except this Chris claims Roswell really happened. Personal vendettas like this are part of the reason we make little progress in the UFO/paranormal field, with infighting that's not helpful at all

It would be good to post the link to the show so people can judge for themselves. Otherwise it's a bit of mystery for everyone what you are talking about.

So here it is

Erica Lukes UFO Classified

You can find the show there as - July 5th 2019 - Chris Skinwalker Ranch

I haven't listened to it. But another guy Chip (or maybe the same guy)talked about being a guard there in 2012 and that he felt like a lab rat and he was being tested himself.

a reply to: mirageman

Thanks for that, my bad for not posting the link. Pretty sure this guy is a different one, said his name was Chris and had been on the ranch as recently as 2016. He seemed to have a vendetta against Knapp/Corbell etc from the get go and didn't mention much else

a reply to: vlawde

That sounds like a different guy. Other than that I can't comment as I haven't heard it.

I do have my suspicions that what went on at the ranch was not paranormal though. Mainly because we have long been told that all sorts of paranormal happenings occurred there for centuries.

But there's nothing but a UFO case reported before the Shermans arrived in the 90s. Honestly there's a challenge for everyone. Find more than that story from the specific ranch itself.

Then we were told the family was so scared that they sold up to Bigelow. Even though Tom Sherman actually stayed on as caretaker at the ranch and signed an NDA with Bigelow!

originally posted by: mirageman

Then we were told the family was so scared that they sold up to Bigelow. Even though Tom Sherman actually stayed on as caretaker at the ranch and signed an NDA with Bigelow!

An NDA that presumably covered an alleged collection of home videos that Sherman claimed he'd taken of UFOs and portals at the ranch by stealthily hiding in the undergrowth (according to the 2005 'Hunt For The Skinwalker' book).

And what do the great unwashed get? Only a singular dodgy, fuzzy video of 'two towers' apparently materialising in 2004 that nobody seems to want to delve into too deeply. ATSer ctj83 was doing a grand job analysing this suspicious footage until hitting a brick wall of some kind and losing interest in ufology generally, it seems.

It's amazing how less than a year ago, the excitement and anticipation for Corbell and Knapp's Skinwalker documentary was sky-high (remember those 300+ flags for Springer's promotional thread?), and a similar aura surrounding Corbell's Lazar film.

Less than a year later, Lazar's tall tale is basically dead in the water, Skinwalker Ranch is an evidence-free laughing stock... and all that remains is a palpable sense of empty disappointment in many consumers as the snake-oil salesmen's wagons trundle off into the distance...

Yeah, cheers - thanks for literally NUTHIN'', guys!

That's what I want to see, some old footage before bigelow and the NDA's. I need to check youtube I'm thinking I've seen some old footage before the place became so guarded, but I think it was people taking it in the vicinity of the ranch and not actually on the ranch itself. Old home videos by Sherman, that would be awesome but i guess we will never know. Though some think this is the time of disclosure and slow leaks, I feel it's just a time for the already murky waters of Ufology to get even dirtier and more infighting. Just what we need.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I agree that Skinwalker is either a huge joke or the NDAs/consequences of speaking of what really goes on out there are so significant that no one is willing to really blow the lid off of it - could bring severe personal/financial reciprocity.

As for Lazar, I actually think he's reasonably credible. The beauty of the now many decades old disinformation campaign/YouTube folks/blogs is that Lazar could be 100% accurate to what he experienced but he's get lumped in with everyone else - and there's no real way to not be lumped in with the true fraudsters out there.

I look at it like this with Lazar.... he could post a picture of the craft and explain how it works and the naysayers would immediately say "this is too good to be true" or "it's photoshopped"... can't win.

My opinion has morphed to the notion that the only true credible form of disclosure will be a statement/happening/event/material/photograph that's validated by someone with something to lose from disclosure happening - not just the Feds but private enterprise as well.

originally posted by: vlawde
I know nothing of her aside that I've heard her name before. She had a guy named Chris Marks on the show who used to work security for Bob Bigelow on the ranch.

I was hoping for new info on what goes on at the ranch, but for the most part the show was spent bashing George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell and several others. And tons of a@@ kissing of Ryan Burns (whom I have no problem with, but still).

Both Erica and this security guard sound like very disagreeable people who could be jealous of others talking about the ranch. Waste of airtime, and very unprofessional. And despite all their bluster, no new info on the ranch except this Chris claims Roswell really happened. Personal vendettas like this are part of the reason we make little progress in the UFO/paranormal field, with infighting that's not helpful at all

She isn't saying anything that isn't true. Erica Lukes is a great Lady in my opinion. She has been honored at more than one MUFON Symposium for her work, and was a state director for MUFON.
Is she wrong about anything? Possibly, but then, often wrong about things are 7 billion other humans.

She mentioned our beloved Issac Koi, and sounded like it was a bit negative because he wants to remain anonymous. Still a smart way to be in the UFO field, especially when the military industrial complex (a global entity) spends millions annually on misinformation and character assassination for those who say too much about things they want silence on.

Maybe she forgot that important part. Some people are very public and pay a price, and there are those who remain anonymous and also pay a price.
These public speakers should think about that more often for sure.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed


She isn't saying anything that isn't true. Erica Lukes is a great Lady in my opinion. She has been honored at more than one MUFON Symposium for her work, and was a state director for MUFON.

I and many others in this forum beg to differ.Are you aware of this



End of offtopic.This whole ranch case has many holes in my opinion.Firstly there is no interviews of the original owners.Do they even exist?Oh thats right,sherman sold the ranch because he got spooked but decided to stay behind as a helping hand,secondly everything that is out there regarding the ranch is what knapp mentioned time and again and i cant say i trust knapp at this point in time much less than i can throw him.


Now this security guard,where did he pop out from?why now?

a reply to: vlawde

Back in the 1970's, in Australia, i read a book about Rosewell and it featured a photo which was alleged to have been taken at the time of the event.

The photo reproduced in the book showed a grainy picture but nevertheless clearly distinguishable shapes, of two men in milittree uniform each holding a hand of a very short figure but with very long arms, who was walking between them with its arms up in the air on about a 60 degree angle. It closely resembled a mum and dad each holding the hand of a todler.

While i do not know what photo editing or photo making technology was around in those days, thats for others to say, I cannot see the software of those times, if it existed, making a very good job of making a drawing of two milittree officers (at least one was wearing a cap and one appeared to have rank things on their shoulder labels) walking on both sides of a roughly human shaped, entity, person or whatever it was.

This picture was reproduced in a picture posted on this forum some years ago and someone pronounced it fake but I the person concerned chose not explain why they considered it to be fake.

Question for all the experts - could a photo likely taken by a newspaper reporters camera of the 1960s, published in back and white be later copied from the original and again inserted into a book published in the early to mid 1970s?

I say 'copied' because as I recall, the story said the original was confiscated by the millittree so it would reasonable that it would dissapear and only copies of copies would likely be available.

a reply to: Azureblue


Sounds similar to the misouri crash,check the link above

a reply to: Azureblue

This is way off topic. But if the photo you are thinking of is this one.



It's a hoax and Isaac Koi explained it here..

However it points out why ufology never gets anywhere because people won't let hoaxes and resolved cases die.

Now back at the ranch....

a reply to: vlawde

To get this back on topic as it's already drifting and we aren't even beyond the first page.

The subject is a rather low quality podcast. I gave this a listen for over an hour this morning. So far I have heard a lot about Chris Marks, his career in the military, how he applied for the job at Skinwalker Ranch, how he shopped at Walmart while he was there. I even know he used to run from gate to gate at the ranch because he's a runner and he bought an expensive flashlight while he was there. I even learned Bob Bigelow turned up one day and gave him some free ammo for his guns. This guy is amazingly good at padding out a story by going off at tangents then going off at another tangent from there. He also inserts a lot of pauses between words which pads things out further. Then adds in boring, insignificant, unnecessary details.

He did claim various people were positioning themselves as experts on the Ranch and heavily criticised various personalities. What he didn't tell us was anything of any interest at all that happened on the ranch. Not in well over an hour anyway. Maybe there's something at the very end?

Erica Lukes meanwhile did not even ask questions. Her only role being to introduce the ad breaks and then after it claim how amazing her guest was and his story with lots of padding too.

It was not good and is symptomatic of these low grade podcasts.

Yes, he claimed Roswell was real. Something fell to Earth in summer 1947. But he never said which details are real.

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: vlawde

Back in the 1970's, in Australia, i read a book about Rosewell and it featured a photo which was alleged to have been taken at the time of the event.

The photo reproduced in the book showed a grainy picture but nevertheless clearly distinguishable shapes, of two men in milittree uniform each holding a hand of a very short figure but with very long arms, who was walking between them with its arms up in the air on about a 60 degree angle. It closely resembled a mum and dad each holding the hand of a todler.

While i do not know what photo editing or photo making technology was around in those days, thats for others to say, I cannot see the software of those times, if it existed, making a very good job of making a drawing of two milittree officers (at least one was wearing a cap and one appeared to have rank things on their shoulder labels) walking on both sides of a roughly human shaped, entity, person or whatever it was.

This picture was reproduced in a picture posted on this forum some years ago and someone pronounced it fake but I the person concerned chose not explain why they considered it to be fake.

Question for all the experts - could a photo likely taken by a newspaper reporters camera of the 1960s, published in back and white be later copied from the original and again inserted into a book published in the early to mid 1970s?

I say 'copied' because as I recall, the story said the original was confiscated by the millittree so it would reasonable that it would dissapear and only copies of copies would likely be available.

You make absolute sense...cant wait to see how you are redirectred.I also remember seeing the picture online somewhere.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Azureblue

This is way off topic. But if the photo you are thinking of is this one.

It's a hoax and Isaac Koi explained it here..

However it points out why ufology never gets anywhere because people won't let hoaxes and resolved cases die.

Now back at the ranch....

This is not the picture I saw.It was 2 men in Military Uniforms.Not trench Coats.

a reply to: one4all

Maybe this one...which first appeared in the German newspaper "Wiesbadener Tagesblatt" in 1950?




But back on topic....the Lukes interview with Chris Marks.

The rest of the interview seemed to drift of into a tale about werewolf and then to my astonishment Lukes asked this guy to come back the next week because they hadn't managed to cover everything!!!

a reply to: mirageman

I did mention all the points I made and that you've just made elsewhere on the internet yesterday, basically saying Mark's criticisms of Knapp, Koi, Corbell etc weren't relevant to the topic of what he experienced on the ranch, and we really got none of the information that was promoted.

Erica Lukes saw my comments and said something like I should do my homework - I guess in regards to her work, and that the criticisms of the folks I previously mentioned were "important questions" and I should "get a grip".

As i mentioned at the start of this thread, I know little about her aside that her name is sometimes mentioned in relation to UFO's. I have no desire to get into a pissing match with any of these people, but it doesn't set well when I'm criticized for having my own opinion on things. I'll likely listen to part 2 next week, but I'm not expecting any revelations. Here's hoping I'm wrong, but I really get the feeling Marks has his own agenda on this whole thing

a reply to: vlawde

All I heard Marks say was that he was a man of integrity, an investigator, and a really wholesome dude who could literally talk about every boring minute detail about his life. He really struggled to ever make a point. It was not helped by the absence of interaction from his host.

What seems to be going on is a turf war about owning paranormal and UFO cases. There's no copyright applied here. So anyone can write, talk and make videos about the lore. I really have problems with the way Knapp signed himself away with NDAs with Bigelow and then TTSA. Corbell's movies add nothing new and seem to feature himself far too prominently. But that's my opinion.

If you want to hear a more interesting interview then I would encourage you to go back to Sept 2012 and listen to the Paracast's interview with a different security guard at the ranch only known as Chip.

Paracast 2012 interview with David Weatherly, Ryan Skinner, and “Chip”

I think it confirms a lot of things that we didn't know back then that we now know today. But I'll let you judge that for yourself.

A turf war....that's exactly my takeaway on this. Thanks for the link, I'm a member on Ryan's Skinwalker FB group, I'll check it out

The guy spewed nothing but drivel. Worst podcast ever. I agree folks like him make ufology worse.

I dont even begin to want and know what her other podcasts are like. It's like she fell asleep while listening and just let him ramble.. that or she just walked away for random periods.

One podcast for the ages she said.. sigh..

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