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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 06:12 AM

This is something of a continuation of the original thread : Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP . If you are unfamiliar with the details then it’s probably wise to read at least the opening posts on that thread to help you catch up.

We are now into a second year after Tom DeLonge stood up on a stage in front of a crowdedan empty venue and spoke with incredible verbosity in corporate double speak about the launch of what ultimately appears to be an entertainment company called “To the Stars Academy”.

On board with him were a bunch of former members of various arms of the United States Military Industrial Complex. They told us a lot about how important entertainment was. We saw a Mylar party balloon and a lighthouse on the screen behind them. They appeared to be promising much...

But one year later, despite some people having seemed to have lost bladder control at what they think is a company dedicated to UFO disclosure, there are still more questions than answers.

1. TTSA and their supporting cast have created a general, but unverifiable, impression that the Pentagon has confirmed that alien spacecraft are violating US airspace and this has been reported in the mainstream media.

The truth is that no one currently employed by the Pentagon has confirmed much more than AATIP existed and was closed down. Closed because it generated lots of paperwork but not much in the way of results.

2. 'To the Stars Academy' has been promoted as an organisation committed to UFO disclosure by Tom DeLonge and his Director of Global Security – Luis Elizondo.

The truth is TTSA is filed as an entertainment company “Services Allied to Motion Pictures”. Despite all their talk about UFOs and showing alleged videos of such they are hiding things in plain sight.

3. TTSA is supposedly a group of disgruntled ex-government employees who are going to reveal top secret government videos and files and disclose what the government knows about UFOs (or UAPs)

The board consists of former government or military intelligence employees. The ' advisory team' of "To the Stars Academy" has no ufologists or even business consultants. They are almost all involved in biological and especially brain sciences. Which surely brings up questions about the real nature of their operations?

Nothing classified can ever be revealed by these people. Not without booking a long stay in Russia.They have presented 3 videos of questionable provenance and value. The government hasn't even confirmed any details concerning the origin or status of these videos. Nor has any 'chain of custody' been produced. Meanwhile TTSA’s filed papers appears to show a company providing financial fluidity to Tom DeLonge so he can sell 'entertainment' products.

But first let’s have a short recap of how they made it....To the Stars.

Bigelow & BAASS

Bob Bigelow may not appear to be publicly involved with the TTSA project. However he has a history going back to the late 1980s linked to studying UFOs, consciousness, crop circles and other paranormal subjects. He also has links to ufo researchers, politicians, media and business people and of course ties to the military industrial complex.

Isaac Koi made a list of people and projects funded by Bigelow here :

His company, BAASS, ‘won’ a government contract to study future weapons capabilities. This was instigated by his good friend Senator Harry Reid in 2008. Without the touted $22m to handle the AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) then this journey “To the Stars” may never have seen the light of day or the dark of space. Or whatever it was supposed to really see.

One interesting fact that surfaced in Feb of 2018 is that Dr. Hal Puthoff helped Bigelow (BAASS) land the contract with the government to study UFOs by writing the proposal for it!

One of the scientists who helped figure it out is a physicist named Dr. Hal Puthoff. He wrote the proposal that helped Bigelow land the contract to study UFOs, and in a recent radio interview, he said he commissioned 38 scientific papers during the study to explore exotic propulsion ideas, including what he calls space-time metric engineering. In essence, the idea that the Gimbal and Tic Tac craft can create their own space-time bubbles.

"We believe it has to do with a high amount of energy and the ability to warp space-time, not by a lot, but by a little," said Elizondo.

Source : Las Vegas Now

This effectively confirms that Bigelow, BAASS, Puthoff and his company EarthTech were all at the heart of operations long before Tom DeLonge and To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science appeared in 2017. With, coincidentally, Hal Puthoff as a Vice President of the TTS AAS set up.

Bob Bigelow has since sold Skinwalker Ranch, declared aliens are right under our noses on TV and distanced himself, for now, from the all the controversy to concentrate on his space habitat business. But there are still a cast of characters linked to him and thorough him that remain knee deep in the UFO topic and directly involved with TTSA.

Hal Puthoff meanwhile seeks to gain financially from his dual role as Director at TTSA and continuing role at EarthTech. 

All Bound for MU-MUFON Land

MUFON’s failed coalition with FUFOR and and CUFOS, something Bigelow attempted to organise in 1994 was followed when John Carpenter (a MUFON abduction research specialist) sold MUFON’s personal data in the form of abduction files to Bigelow at $100 a shot through the 90s. MUFON then found itself involved in complaints about a lack of ethics. However Bigelow was still allowed unlimited access to their database when he came back with his funding proposal a decade later.

In 2009 a contract was offered to worth up to $672,000 to MUFON. This comprised of dispatching MUFON investigators to to the scene of UFO events (other than lights in the sky) to file reports. In addition Bigelow had unlimited access to MUFON’s database. Knowing now that the sponsors were the US DoD should ring a few alarm bells about privacy and data protection. However back then only John Schuessler of MUFON was made privy to who the real sponsors were for reasons unknown to this day.

Protestations from MUFON International Director James Carrion followed. He felt that Bigelow was manipulating their organisation. Bigelow’s attempt to reduce payments to MUFON, violating the terms of his already agreed contract, was also a major concern to James Carrion. Carrion parted ways with MUFON. MUFON backed down and accepted Bigelow’s new terms. MUFON has since appeared to focus on becoming more of an entertainment organisation itself in recent times.

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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 06:13 AM

All Aboard the TTSA Bus

They might not be on the board at TTSA. But they are certainly on board the TTSA bus. Obviously the bus here is a metaphor for the UFO narrative. A narrative TTSA are determined to control and drive as far as they can. All the way to Moo Moo land.

People are involved to differing degrees in spreading the continuing and often contradictory UFO gospel of the last years of this decade. We’ve got broadcasters, pilots, the son of God, physicists, bloggers and tweeters and even Lady Diana of the Catholic Church all pumping out fantastical stories of UFOs, metamaterials, tic tacs, Catholic Saints with telekinetic powers and even the gift of genius plucked from the living, timeless consciousness of the universe itself. All suspiciously appear to be part of a grander scheme in support of TTSA and spreading the belief in non-human intelligences, even the existence of Atlantis, despite the lack of any hard proof.

The Las Vegas I-Team has issued nothing but positive, supportive reports on the TTSA operation since its inception. Here are just some of the Las Vegas Now I-Team articles which are all 100% positive and unquestioning about the operation of TTSA. In fact these go back well over a year prior to the company launch.

This is not journalism it is propaganda!

I-Team: Rocker turns UFO expert – 05/06/2016

I-Team: Tom Delonge looks to lift veil of UFO secrecy – 05/06/2016

I-Team: Rock star plans for announcement on UFOs – 05/23/2017

I-Team: Public company launched to investigate UFOs – 10/11/2017

I-Team: DeLonge to unveil plans for cutting edge science to investigate UFOs – 10/11/2017

Former Pentagon UFO official: ‘We may not be alone’ – 12/18/2017

The Pentagon’s secret UFO program – 12/18/2017

I-Team Exclusive: Sen. Reid discusses UFO study – 12/19/2017

I-Team: UFO study focused on U.S. military encounters – 12/20/2017

I-Team Exclusive: Sen. Reid discusses UFO study – 12/21/2017

I-Team: Pentagon UFO study catches attention of Congress – 12/21/2017

I-Team: Secret UFO program recorded encounters with unknown objects – 02/01/2018

I-Team: Man who headed up secret government UFO study speaks out – 02/01/2018

I-Team: Man who headed up secret government UFO study speaks out – 02/02/2018

I-Team: Secret UFO program recorded encounters with unknown objects – 02/06/2018

I-Team: Understanding the science of UFOs – 02/07/2018

I-Team: Mystery metal studied in Las Vegas – 02/20/2018

I-Team: Documents prove secret UFO study based in Nevada – 05/04/2018

TTSA have chosen George Knapp as their sole media outlet for longform interviews. He seems happy to deliver softball questions for this exclusivity. By early summer 2018 this even included George attacking anyone who doubts his and their motives. All very out of character for a guy who has built up a sturdy reputation since the late 1980s. George is of course an award winning journalist with a long history in the UFO field. However his judgement seems clouded here. He has left himself in a position where he appears biased towards TTSA by presenting everything as being positive and well handled. When we know he surely can’t be that dumb or he wouldn’t be an award winning journalist.

Just in case people think there isn't much to all the claims about TTSA this short video raises questions in a visual medium.

The TTSA UFO Videos

As we know many people out there believe the US Government released three rather fuzzy videos of UFOs last year and handed them over to TTSA to promote as ‘craft or unknown origin’. They proclaimed that this was the first time the Government had admitted to studying UFOs and this was a turning point in history. Supposedly....

These people seem to have never became aware of previous studies undertaken in the history of UFOs (such as Project Bluebook) and they are also ignorant of the fact that many governments (including the United States) have released official files concerning the UFO topic via agencies such as the CIA and FBI.

They are also unable to discern the differences and understand that TTSA are not the US government and, despite what people may believe, the provenance of these videos still remains unclear. TTSA cannot or will not reveal their sources. The Pentagon has still not confirmed the authenticity of these videos.

Every video has the TTSA logo imprinted on it and made it onto the pages of major global TV stations, newspapers and websites. Technically there is no copyright assigned to film or video shot on behalf of the US government. But adding your own company’s logo is absolutely blatant self promotion.

Many people believed these videos showed alien spacecraft. But we don’t even know whether the videos are genuine or where they really originate from. One of them was found on a German film company web site back in 2007.

TTSA seem unable to release any documents detailing how these videos were obtained, what they show and where they came from. Zondo in his slightly chunkier, more exotically clothed days attempts to explain it all here.

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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 06:13 AM

The TV Deal (A.D.A.M. Project)

According to the official website, worded with the usual verbosity, TTSA released their A.D.A.M (American Deception and Misinformation?) video trailer on 14th August 2018.

“Known as Project ADAM, an acronym for Acquisition & Data Analysis of Materials, the project is "an academic research program focused on exotic materials for technology innovation" and "will focus on the collection and scientific evaluation of material samples obtained through reliable reports of advanced aerospace vehicles of unknown origin."

Although from previous TTSA promo clips it appears that it may all in fact be aligned to Zondo’s search for a change of clothes. He never appeared to change his T-shirt, jeans or hat in previous appearances....well maybe his cap once or twice.

The Skinwalker Connection

In 2004 Bob Bigelow disbanded his NIDS (National Institute for Discovery Science) organisation, because the activity at Skinwalker ranch had ‘receded’.

But just when you thought it was safe to go back to the ranch. After all the hyperbole from the initial press reports in late December of 2017 and early 2018 of a $22m funded project to get to the bottom of the UFO problem. The original news reports led us to believe that the studies would be based out of Las Vegas after BAASS bid for and won the contract.

Six months later, after glossing over the problem that this contract was not actually described as a UFO study, it also was revealed that just three years after Bigelow wound things down at Skinwalker Ranch with NIDS he began winding them up again. It is not clear how much of his $22m contract was spent on studies there. But it is very clear what was going on there.

The agreement with DIA did not mention UFOs at all. It used more generic terms such as future threats and breakthrough technologies, and specified 12 focal points including, lift, propulsion, materials, versions of stealth as well as human interface and human effects, meaning Bigelow's team would study people who reported unusual experiences beyond seeing UFOs.

A ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study.


There is more information given in a Statement from a Senior but anonymous Manager of BAASS:

One of the major successes of BAASS was in adopting the novel approach of utilizing the human body as a readout system for dissecting interactions with the UFO phenomenon. This novel approach aimed to circumvent the increasing evidence of deception and subterfuge by the UFO phenomenon in that multiple eyewitnesses co-located in the same vicinity frequently reported seeing widely different events. The evidence was multiplying that the UFO phenomenon was capable of manipulating and distorting human perception and therefore eyewitness testimony of UFO activity was becoming increasingly untrustworthy.

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans. This approach marked a dramatic shift away from the traditional norms of relying on eyewitness testimony as the central evidentiary arm in UFO investigations. The approach aimed to bypass UFO deception and manipulation of human perception by utilizing molecular forensics to decipher the biological consequences of the phenomenon.

The result of applying this new approach was a revolution in delineating the threat level of UFOs.


To shed a little more light on what was going on we can refer back to an interview given by a former security guard at Skinwalker Ranch back in 2012 on the Paracast. Identified only as “Chip” he confirmed that he had worked shifts totalling some 8 weeks at the ranch between 2009 and 2010. He claimed that the security cameras were all inoperable at the ranch and that his only instructions were to patrol the border of the ranch. He was given a dog to assist him. However this was just an ordinary ‘pet’ and not a trained guard dog. He believed that the animals were there to be used as bio-sensors rather than to protect the property. Something confirmed by Colonel John Alexander in his recent book Reality Denied.

This was further backed up that he also noted that he had to give a urine test after he’d reported anything strange or unusual. Some employees were also given brain scans. Although the results were never revealed. ‘Chip’ also claimed that when he was told the contract was not being renewed in 2010 that their final pay was signed off by the NSA. He also felt that the security guards were there not to protect the ranch itself but as lab rats for some form of testing without their consent. Although the story seemed confusing back in 2012 this starts to make a lot of sense now.

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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 06:13 AM

Spooks and Experiencer Studies

Also noted should be the number of advisors (with MIC links) listed on TTSA’s website and qualified in various biological and neuro-sciences. One of these advisors was Dr. Garry Nolan who stepped down from his role with TTSA due to conflicts of interest. Garry was involved in some very interesting work with Dr, Christopher Green studying the effects of alleged UAP/UFOs on experiencers at close quarters. This however has remained outside the remit of TTSA despite the unusually large number of biologists and neuroscientists employed as advisors. Most with links back to the intel services.

Dr. Paul Rapp is the Brain Function & Consciousness Consultant & Professor of Military and Emergency Medicine at the Uniformed Services University.

Dr. Norm Kahn is a National Security & Program Management Consultant currently a consultant on national security for the US Government, with a focus on preventing the use of biological weapons of mass destruction/disruption.

Dr. Colm Kelleher is the Biotech Consultant (biochemist).

Dr. Adele Gilpin is the Biomedical Research & Attorney. A scientist with biomedical academic and research experience as well as an active, licensed, attorney.

Luis Elizondo's academic background includes Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases.

Very little has been made publicly available about these studies. But the words “antenna” and “consciousness” have become buzzwords seeded into the UFO narrative in recent years.

There are now supposedly ‘special’ people who see things others are incapable of. It’s all in their head. But it’s not in their head as such. They have supernormal powers to communicate with other intelligences that don’t exist in the material world and this can be tested by changes to their biology. It effectively makes the UFO and paranormal topics unfalsifiable. Which is very convenient if you produce entertainment.

The Financials from TTSA

TTSA appears to be top heavy with executives and have no qualified business consultants on their team other than a nominated Chief Financial Officer - Louis Tommasino, CPA & Associates who runs Tom’s Our Two Dogs. A business listed as a hotdog stand but apparently it isn’t.

The filings are a matter of public record :
This video probably explains the financial money shuffle in a few minutes.

In short Tom’s existing companies were all combined vertically under the umbrella of TTSA

Tom’s other myriad of companies can be seen below and how they fit into the structure.

And TTSA, despite the proclamations from first Tom and then Zondo, is registered as a company offering Services Allied to Motion Pictures.

The original offering document also confirms the current ‘consumers’ for TTSA and its ‘products’. Business with them will be conducted via social media.

TTS’s current consumers are based in the coastal regions of the United States, with a 75/25 male to female ratio, ages 18-34, with interests in music, entertainment, comedy, and comic books, and are fans of the bands Blink 182 and AVA. We will aim to attract these consumers through the following:
• Our socially responsible business mission (public benefit corporation status)
• Creating engaging content and sharing it through social media channels...

TTSA failed miserably to meet its $50m fund raising target. In fact it barely raised the minimum target of $1m...

If the offering size were to be less than $5 million and above the $1 million minimum, TTS AAS would adjust its use of proceeds by reducing planned growth of employee headcount, reducing operational costs, and slowing down projects or not making investment in projects. The company is also required under the loan to Our Two Dogs Inc. (a non-existent hotdog company) to repay 10% of the net proceeds from funds raised in this offering, up to $400,000 in this scenario...

And then in October of 2018 and repeated in February 2019 with the latest SEC Filings there was a statement expressing doubt about the Company’s ability to continue;

The accompanying financial statements have been prepared on a going concern basis, which contemplates the realization of assets and the satisfaction of liabilities in the normal course of business. The Company has incurred losses from operations and has an accumulated deficit at June 30, 2018 of $37,432,000. These factors raise doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern.

A number of websites including Arstechnica reported that Tom’s company was in debt to tune of $37m. However this time Tom was so angered by this inaccuracy that he felt it necessary to correct the fact that this wasn’t debt by posting on Instagram. Which is always an effective way of correcting financial inaccuracies.

“This article is highly misleading and grossly mischaracterizes statements in an SEC filing,” he writes. “Mr. Berger apparently did not EVEN READ the filing in its entirety, and clearly did not understand the excerpt of the SEC filing he quotes.”

“The approximate $37 million stockholders’ deficit is NOT DEBT as he characterized it but is attributable to stock-based compensation expense,”

For Mr. Berger [the author of the article for Arsetechnica] to make the conclusions he did on incomplete research and his own interpretations without contacting Mr. DeLonge or the company is inexcusable......

It was probably also pointless trying to contact Tom or the company as we know TTSA rarely talk to anyone in the media with one exception. Tom also failed to comment on the doubts raised about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern.

Which really should have been of concern to him. But he ignored it.

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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 06:14 AM

The End Game?

In their Boy Band phase – Big Bob, Jack and Hoff.

Without a massive injection of cash TTSA are an entertainment company. They don't have the resources to compete with other science and aerospace corporations. Talking about UFOs and disclosure is for entertainment. They mention nothing about UFOs and disclosure in their SEC filings whatsoever. The projected Science and Aerospace Divisions simply do not have enough funding to get off the ground!

The question has to be asked too. Could these guys simply be siphoning US taxpayers money? When that runs out they go cap in hand to rich sponsors like Firmage or Bigelow?

Look at Hal Puthoff. What has he actually produced of substance since 1970? He became a $cientologist in the 1970s after a promising career. What was that all about? Puthoff also appears to have had his hands closing in on Joe Firmage’s pockets if the recent claims of Bob Kiviat are to be believed. Then he was involved in producing the papers as part of the BAASS contract. Next thing he’s on the board of TTSA who awarded his EarthTech International Company a contract. So is he just a scammer who makes money out of rich billionaires and the US taxpayer? Or is he a maverick not understood by conventional scientists and never given enough backing to make a real breakthrough that will give us warp drive and teleportation?

This seems to sum up TTSA too.

Is TTSA genuinely on the cusp of a major announcement?

Are they ‘scamming’ everyone for a fast buck?

Or is TTSA a cover for something entirely different?

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 06:35 AM
a reply to: mirageman

Excellent new thread! Thanks Mirage.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 07:05 AM
a reply to: ctj83

After putting all that together I'm off to Moo Moo land myself although I'll drive the ice cream van rather than take a seat on the TTSA bus.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 08:04 AM
Excellent summary MM.

This plane keeps sputtering but can never get off the ground. The delays will eventually be fatal to the whole operation. Ben Mezrich's tossed-off book about UFOs and Bigelow, which seemed like some sort of kickoff event at the time, is almost three years old. DeLonge's leaked documentary trailer is also three (or maybe four) years old, as is all the interviews he did with Podesta and (if you believe his hints) former high profile politicians like Bill and Hillary Clinton. Corbell' documentaries have come and gone with barely a blip on the radar. DeLonge, Hartley and Levenda's Sekret Machines books have sold less copies than most self-published romance novels. Knapp's NDA assures he will continually be scooped on stories he could have broadcast decades ago.

The funniest part is that in age when young people on the left, right and middle trust the government about as much as they trust big business, DeLonge and friends think "Big Brother has your back" is the best way to sell this thing.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 08:18 AM
As always, GREAT thread! The fact that TTSA is just an entertainment company, was also discussed in an excellent WIRED article that I had bookmarked. It was published on February 2018, and mentioned that AATIP (Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program) was set up "to investigate flying foreign weapon threats—ones that exist now or could be developed in the next 40 years." The program wasn't formed to investigate extraterrestrial threats.

There is also the fact, "that WIRED was unable to verify that Elizondo worked on AATIP," but it was confirmed that he worked for the Defense Department. It should also be noted that WIRED filed a FOIA request to view Elizondo's resignation letter from AATIP, but the Office of the Secretary of Defense/Joint Staff, turned up no records.

In addition, there is no proof that these videos were ever "classified" in the first place. The videos, "weren’t released through any proper DOD declassification channels." The Pentagon wasn't the the source of the videos and the DOD did not approve the release of the videos either. As you mentioned in your thread, without proof on where these videos came from, there is no way to know if the videos "haven’t been tampered with."

In summary, Tom DeLonge is nothing more than a charleton, who wants to gain publicity and make money from the public's interest in UFOs. He's no different than Steven Greer, who's "Sirious Disclosure" company is making money from the sales of DVDs, books, CDs, MP3s and lectures. Oh, lets not forget his "Contact Expedition" camps, where participants (suckers) supposedly make contact with beings throughout the universe, by meditation.

It went by AATIP, for Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, though the Times story refers to it as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Its purpose was to investigate flying foreign weapon threats—ones that exist now or could be developed in the next 40 years. The product of legislation cosponsored by senators Harry Reid of Nevada and Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, the program, according to Pentagon spokesperson Audricia Harris, was primarily executed through a contract with Bigelow Aerospace—a company owned by Reid’s constituent and donor Robert Bigelow.

WIRED was unable to verify that Elizondo worked on AATIP, but Harris does confirm that he worked for the Defense Department.

Elizondo says he wanted to speak about what he says the AATIP team had seen, but he didn’t think that was possible from within the Pentagon. So he resigned in October 2017, he says, signing on with To The Stars soon thereafter (although WIRED’s FOIA request for Elizondo's resignation letter, which was quoted in the Times, turned up no records, according to the Office of the Secretary of Defense/Joint Staff). doesn’t seem like the Pentagon ever held the program’s data or documents that close, and it doesn’t seem like the videos in that story ever were classified.

And a classified video would likely have a marking at least at the beginning and end, even after it was okayed for public consumption. Someone—at the Times, at To The Stars—could have cut those introductory and closing seconds from the video, but why would they do that, when both groups were emphasizing the direct-from-DOD legitimacy of the videos? “It looks very strongly like these weren’t released through any proper DOD declassification channels that I’ve ever seen,”

Information is classified, according to the National Archives, if its improper release would present a national security problem. So why would a secret program looking at aerial anomalies—“aerodynamic vehicles engaged in extreme maneuvers, with unique phenomenology,” says Harris—remain unclassified? Sounds like those UAPs weren’t so threatening after all.

the videos show some weird stuff. But without a clear chain of custody, we can’t even know whether they were part of AATIP at all, or trust that they haven’t been tampered with.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 08:25 AM
Thank you and the adventure continues!

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 08:34 AM
From your video, when they say Tom's story went viral and the media picked up on it, is all I needed to hear. If there was any shred of truth in this, the media wouldn't have said anything. The media wants to share in the fun too while we are all bent over and spread.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 08:58 AM
Great summary. If there is one angle that is somewhat missing, it is the so called primary and secondary advisory groups.

We know that the primary group hs managed to remain under the radar, and that the secondary advisory group seems to have been assembled with the advice of George Knapp.

Of the shadowy "primary advisors" the only names we have are potentially Rob Weiss of Lockheed-Martin's Skunk Works and retired general McCasland.

I feel these people are key to understanding the purpose and maybe even the importance of TTSA

Below is a somewhat outdated infographic I put together for the previous thread.

Anyway, great work MM.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 09:07 AM
imo, there is something much more sinister behind this enterprise. Almost a quasi religious cultism vibe.

MM, thanks
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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 09:08 AM
a reply to: beetee

By secondary group, I thought you meant Knapp's efforts / reach out.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 09:20 AM
a reply to: ctj83

I was referring to the information in a leaked e-mail from DeLonge to Podesta.

In it DeLonge actually spells out that Knapp helped him create a.secondary advisory team to help him with the presentation of the material he got from the primary group.

Edit: Cannot seem to link to the mail anymore as url shorteners won"t work.

bitly... (insert dot before ly)

You can search the podesta mails for Knapp and you'll find it.

Who these secondary advisors are, however, is perhaps a bit obscure, but some of the NIDS people Knapp knew from before might be a fit?
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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 09:30 AM
a reply to: mirageman

Hell of a ride...

Here's a constructive suggestion for your next piece: don't pick up on "major clothing concerns". Nothing against a good joke, and I get your drift, but walking down that picture lane made me feel weird in a Big Brother_esque way. Just saying.


posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 10:09 AM
Well here's some excerpts from the interview that George Knapp did with Harry Reid very recently;

“Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid dropped major hints that he knows potential adversaries Russia and China have carried out their own military studies to figure out how UFOs work and how to build their own.” – George Knapp

It also appears that Harry Reid is inferring that the DIA is lying about the AAWSAP program and what it actually entailed. AAWSAP allegedly didn't just do the 38 DIRD reports.

What I find funny about this is that these reports are all unclassified, but only 5 of them have been released. As they are not classified, why have they not then been released? - or - have people simply not asked for them?

“The I-Team has learned Bigelow’s UFO study employed more than 50 people at one point.” – George Knapp

Well yes, we kind of get the jist of this; whilst certain areas of the internet and bloggers will state that this in relation to the AAWSAP program; I think its more apparent that this was just NIDS 2.0 and potentially little to do with UAP and more to do with "Being Back At The Ranch!". These "50 people" was probably the guys getting the old band back together for a Skinwalker Reunion Tour! Also of note is the source, why is it always Knapp that releases this kind of information? if history has taught us anything, like with the DIRDs list, we know its isn't always accurate. Considering his position as pointed out by Beetee that we discussed on the old thread, Knapp is part of the secondary advisory group, so why would he get slightly wrong information when he is on the inside of this nonsense?

“Anomalous Acute And Subacute Field Effects on Human Biological Tissues,” written by Dr. Kit Green.

Sounds pretty much like a "non-lethal" weapons test on humans more than UAP damage to humans in my opinion. We also know of a few characters in all of this that also insert themselves into all of this angles and incidents that are very interested in "non-lethal weapons".

It's funny how "ufology" is always quick to shot "cover-up, its a cover-up" and don't stop to think; are UFOs and the existing narrative and sub-culture that surrounds them being used as the actual cover-story for activities and programs that want to be kept secret and out of the MSM?

Ufology does a good job of assisting with the "coverup" as it self promotes the story...

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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 10:20 AM

“Anomalous Acute And Subacute Field Effects on Human Biological Tissues,” written by Dr. Kit Green.

That would be very interesting to read.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 10:39 AM
One of DeLonge's co-authors for the "non-fiction" books, Peter Levenda, actually has an account on ATS that he posted from in a thread about the project.

I thought I would just add this to this thread as he came up a few times in the previous mammoth thread.

Levenda posts

Worth a read for those who might have missed them.

posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 10:43 AM

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: mirageman

Hell of a ride...

Here's a constructive suggestion for your next piece: don't pick up on "major clothing concerns". Nothing against a good joke, and I get your drift, but walking down that picture lane made me feel weird in a Big Brother_esque way. Just saying.


I loved it! Don't change a thing, MM.

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