Mueller To Make Statement Today

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Mueller didn't say Trump was not cleared either. Why not? He did not say he had evidence of obstruction in his report nor his statement today.

Mueller did say that his investigation is officially closed. That means Trump is innocent.

Edit add: No evidence of crime. No evidence of obstruction. Investigation is closed. In America that means innocent.
If something new developed...the investigation could be re-opened, but as it stands there is insufficient evidence to refer further action legally.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Mueller didn't say Trump was not cleared either.

In effect, he did.

As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

So, the president is not not guilty. But, Mueller never had permission to indict Trump for crimes that he found, so there is no indictment. Mueller passed the baton on to Congress.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CynConcepts

Mueller didn't say Trump was not cleared either.

In effect, he did.

As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

So, the president is not not guilty. But, Mueller never had permission to indict Trump for crimes that he found, so there is no indictment. Mueller passed the baton on to Congress.

No, he passed the baton onto the DOJ who had determined that there is nothing there that would be impeachable. Barr advised Congress on that fact. Thus why Congress had not immediately filed impeachment when they received the report.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CynConcepts

Mueller didn't say Trump was not cleared either.

In effect, he did.

As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

So, the president is not not guilty. But, Mueller never had permission to indict Trump for crimes that he found, so there is no indictment. Mueller passed the baton on to Congress.

We know you go on these long lasting tirades without any real effect, like Cyn posted, Mueller past the ball to DOJ, who of which determined "nada".

It's done.

What you're doing is taking Muellers apparence today and hoping he swayed the House to proceed impeachment proceeds.

But this was all done already, don't know why your flailing your arms.

a reply to: CynConcepts

No, he passed the baton onto the DOJ who had determined that there is nothing there that would be impeachable.

Nope. He passed it to Congress, in his report,

“With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,”

Nor, in today's speech.

...the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting President of wrongdoing.

That would be Congress, not the DOJ.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: DBCowboy

Pretty sure he is going to talk about what is in the report which the right seems to have been ignoring totally.

The report does not exonerate trump... no matter how often the orange goon claims it does.

So Mueller only needs to talk about what is in the report that y'all have been sweeping under the rug.

In our justice system if you cannot find evidence to prosecute you are by law de facto innocent. This is not a bannana republic where its the opposite. Screw your feelings because the law is right.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Doj cant prosecute a sitting president so since he can't by law he hasn't obstructed anything because he has not been found guilty.

a reply to: yuppa

Doj cant prosecute a sitting president so since he can't by law he hasn't obstructed anything because he has not been found guilty.

That's not the reason the DOJ's policy is not to indict a sitting president. The reason is in the Mueller report, and Mueller also covered it today's speech.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Scooter libby did charge Clinton so don't believe mueller couldn't do the same.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: yuppa

Doj cant prosecute a sitting president so since he can't by law he hasn't obstructed anything because he has not been found guilty.

That's not the reason the DOJ's policy is not to indict a sitting president. The reason is in the Mueller report, and Mueller also covered it today's speech.

Bs.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CynConcepts

No, he passed the baton onto the DOJ who had determined that there is nothing there that would be impeachable.

Nope. He passed it to Congress, in his report,

“With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,”

Nor, in today's speech.

...the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting President of wrongdoing.

That would be Congress, not the DOJ.

Sigh. If Mueller was recommending impeachment, he would have so stated his conclusions. He did not make a conclusion, thus why his report was delivered to the DOJ to make a final determination.

It is unusual as even the AG stated in his hearing. It was unprofessional for Mueller to not provide his conclusion specifically.

Mueller did not find concrete evidence against Trump and apparently was frustrated. He attempted to close the investigation and avoid having the distinction of saying Orange Man Not Bad after all. It backfired and he now is trying to take cover again.

I will look forward to watching CBS News interview with Barr this Friday morning. At least Barr has some balls to speak the facts and truth whether it is something you want to hear or not.

As an outsider, there isn't enough proof to make things happen, so forget it. Get on with your live, be happy.

a reply to: CynConcepts

If Mueller was recommending impeachment

Mueller couldn't recommend impeachment, any more than he could have indicted Trump. Mueller passed any questions as to Trump's corruption onto Congress, as it's their job, and only they have the authority to "prohibit" a president's corruption. The DOJ, Barr, doesn't have that authority.

Checks and balances are the job of Congress, not the DOJ.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Scooter libby did charge Clinton so don't believe mueller couldn't do the same.

What?????

The House of Representatives charged Bill Clinton with perjury and obstruction of justice. Scooter Libby went to prison for obstruction of justice, among other charges.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CynConcepts

If Mueller was recommending impeachment

Mueller couldn't recommend impeachment, any more than could have indicted Trump. Mueller passed any questions as to Trump's corruption onto Congress, as it's their job, and only they have the authority to prohibit a president's corruption. The DOJ, Barr, doesn't have that authority.

Checks and balances are the job of Congress, not the DOJ.

Clinton was indicted or charged. Mueller was lying to you. He could had.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

After libby recommend it before jail.

Let it go!

a reply to: yuppa

Not according Mueller. Are you claiming that Mueller is lying about the DOJ policy?

Mueller sounded like a pow, being forced to read a statement.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CynConcepts

Mueller didn't say Trump was not cleared either.

In effect, he did.

As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

So, the president is not not guilty. But, Mueller never had permission to indict Trump for crimes that he found, so there is no indictment. Mueller passed the baton on to Congress.

No, he passed the baton onto the DOJ who had determined that there is nothing there that would be impeachable. Barr advised Congress on that fact. Thus why Congress had not immediately filed impeachment when they received the report.

That's the thing everyone is missing. If the report had the evidence they needed, they'd have started impeachment proceedings already. There's nothing there.