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Only reason WW3 never started. Canada.
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Only reason WW3 never started. Canada.
Stopping WW3
You wonder why WW3 hasn't started yet? Its your brothers in the North Canada. Canada has been preventing WW3 since the cold war era.
If you see youtube videos of Canada joining US side to do WW3. Those are made by brainwashed Americans making predictions.
Neutrality is the answer, but that doesn't mean letting your guard down. Here is how it goes. Canada has a lot of resources and a huge land, but they are not as brainwashed as American counterparts thanks to the Queen allowing it to have separate Gov. This is obvious when you see American nationalities lose their original tongue language compare to Canadian counterparts.
US betrayed everyone through out history. From Native Americans, French and Spanish. The time that US started betraying China is when everyone realizes who is the biggest threat to the world(cold war era). It was Soviet Union vs Western Capitalism.
No country is willing to invade Canada unless they are serious going to cause WW3. Canadians is the neutral area for all forces. Anyone that tries to takeover Canada will be seen as threat mainly because it has a huge land. You know what happens when a country tries to make their country bigger? The smaller ones will always fight back.
To this day forward, any super powers that invade Canada will be the start of WW3. Even aliens don't want to invade Canada, then the whole world will decide space aliens are the threat.
Stopping WW3
You wonder why WW3 hasn't started yet? Its your brothers in the North Canada. Canada has been preventing WW3 since the cold war era.
If you see youtube videos of Canada joining US side to do WW3. Those are made by brainwashed Americans making predictions.
Neutrality is the answer, but that doesn't mean letting your guard down. Here is how it goes. Canada has a lot of resources and a huge land, but they are not as brainwashed as American counterparts thanks to the Queen allowing it to have separate Gov. This is obvious when you see American nationalities lose their original tongue language compare to Canadian counterparts.
US betrayed everyone through out history. From Native Americans, French and Spanish. The time that US started betraying China is when everyone realizes who is the biggest threat to the world(cold war era). It was Soviet Union vs Western Capitalism.
No country is willing to invade Canada unless they are serious going to cause WW3. Canadians is the neutral area for all forces. Anyone that tries to takeover Canada will be seen as threat mainly because it has a huge land. You know what happens when a country tries to make their country bigger? The smaller ones will always fight back.
To this day forward, any super powers that invade Canada will be the start of WW3. Even aliens don't want to invade Canada, then the whole world will decide space aliens are the threat.
a reply to: makemap
Well, the other way of looking at it is this:
Who would want Canada.
Winter is coming, Canada will be like Siberia, nice to visit in the 3 days of summer but no one wants to live there.
This is why Canadians say sorry a lot. Because they are sick and sorry of living in one of the coldest areas on the Earth.
Who would even know if Canada was taken over. They don't have a military, certainly not to defend their huge cold waste land.
Canadians are nice people, they have to be, it takes lots of people to work together to avoid freezing together.
Living in the world's freezer must be difficult.
P
Well, the other way of looking at it is this:
Who would want Canada.
Winter is coming, Canada will be like Siberia, nice to visit in the 3 days of summer but no one wants to live there.
This is why Canadians say sorry a lot. Because they are sick and sorry of living in one of the coldest areas on the Earth.
Who would even know if Canada was taken over. They don't have a military, certainly not to defend their huge cold waste land.
Canadians are nice people, they have to be, it takes lots of people to work together to avoid freezing together.
Living in the world's freezer must be difficult.
P
a reply to: pheonix358
Canadians are actually wonderful winter soldiers. If Canadians have the forces the size of US. Everyone would just give up to Canada for free health care, etc.
"Sorry", is better than saying "I'll kill you if you don't give it to me."
Just what US is asking everyone to do.
More like, if Canada takeover US position and all its bases around the world. There would be more friendlies than hostiles. US military is the most disrespectful forces out there. Canadians don't do # that Americans do.
Canadians are actually wonderful winter soldiers. If Canadians have the forces the size of US. Everyone would just give up to Canada for free health care, etc.
"Sorry", is better than saying "I'll kill you if you don't give it to me."
Just what US is asking everyone to do.
More like, if Canada takeover US position and all its bases around the world. There would be more friendlies than hostiles. US military is the most disrespectful forces out there. Canadians don't do # that Americans do.
a reply to: watchitburn
Good, call but no. Russia and British Empire would've fought each other, if America didn't exist.
Remember who sold Alaska to US? The Russians.
Who supported Soviet Union? US.
US and Russia relations
Good, call but no. Russia and British Empire would've fought each other, if America didn't exist.
Remember who sold Alaska to US? The Russians.
Who supported Soviet Union? US.
US and Russia relations
a reply to: makemap
Neutrality? More like passive and doing the bare minimum. Even a quick Wikipedia search would show you that Canada has been involved with the US in wars( they just don't put as much skin in the game so to speak):
en.m.wikipedia.org...
I like Canada, just don't pretend they are mighty. If a super power invaded Canada we would be up there saving their behinds and fighting with them.
Neutrality? More like passive and doing the bare minimum. Even a quick Wikipedia search would show you that Canada has been involved with the US in wars( they just don't put as much skin in the game so to speak):
en.m.wikipedia.org...
I like Canada, just don't pretend they are mighty. If a super power invaded Canada we would be up there saving their behinds and fighting with them.
a reply to: Onlyyouknow
The only reason why Canada don't have the military it should have is because the Gov sold out its arms industries to the US.
The only reason why Canada don't have the military it should have is because the Gov sold out its arms industries to the US.
originally posted by: makemap
a reply to: Onlyyouknow
The only reason why Canada don't have the military it should have is because the Gov sold out its arms industries to the US.
This was the first sell out
then all the brain power when to NASA and Boing does SR71 ring a bell
research where the brain power came from
originally posted by: makemap
a reply to: Onlyyouknow
The only reason why Canada don't have the military it should have is because the Gov sold out its arms industries to the US.
Why did they do that? It seems to be not wise when you are stating that Canada would stop WW3. How will that happen with a weakened military?
Still say we should build it
Lot better then having to depend on US
Lot better then having to depend on US
a reply to: Trillium
en.m.wikipedia.org...
"Although no major problems were encountered during the initial testing phase, some minor issues with the landing gear and flight control system had to be rectified. The former problem was partly due to the tandem main landing gear[Note 1] being very narrow, in order to fit into the wings; the leg shortened in length and rotated as it was stowed.[57] During one landing incident, the chain mechanism (used to shorten the gear) in the Mark 1 gear jammed, resulting in incomplete rotation.[54] In a second incident with Arrow 202 on 11 November 1958, the flight control system commanded elevons full down at landing; the resulting reduction in weight on the gears reduced the effective tire friction, ultimately resulting in brake lockup and subsequent gear collapse.[5"
"
"Canada unsuccessfully tried to sell the Arrow to the US and Britain. The aircraft industry in both countries was considered a national interest and the purchase of foreign designs was rare.[7]
Nevertheless, from 1955 onwards, the UK had shown considerable interest in the Arrow. Desiring a high-performance interceptor like the Arrow, the RAF began the F.155 program in 1955, projecting a service entry date of 1962. As the program continued, it was clear the aircraft would not be ready by that date, and attention turned to interim designs that could be in service by the late 1950s to cover this period. At first, consideration was given to a "thin-wing" version of the Gloster Javelin that would provide moderate supersonic performance, along with the extremely high performance but short range Saunders-Roe SR.177."
"Procurement of the Arrow from Canada, and setting up a production line in the UK, was studied, the unit price per aircraft built in the UK being estimated at £220,000 each for a production run of 100 aircraft, as opposed to the estimate of £150,000 per aircraft for the thin wing Javelin.[72] The CF-105 would serve as a stopgap until the UK's F.155 project came to fruition, but with the F.155 due in 1963 and the Arrow not likely to reach the RAF before 1962, there was little point in proceeding.[73]"
"The infamous 1957 Defence White Paper,[74] described as "the biggest change in military policy ever made in normal times", led to the cancellation of almost all British manned fighter aircraft then in development,[75] and completely curtailed any likelihood of a purchase. In January 1959, the UK's final answer was no; Britain countered with an offer to sell Canada the English Electric Lightning.[76]"
"In the US, the 1954 interceptor was well underway, and would ultimately introduce the Convair F-106 Delta Dart, an aircraft with many similarities to the Arrow. More advanced designs were also being considered, notably the Mach 3 Republic XF-103, and by the time the Arrow was flying, the much more advanced North American XF-108. Both of these programs were cancelled during the mock-up stage, as it was believed the need for a manned interceptor of very high-performance simply did not exist as the Soviets were clearly moving their strategic force to ICBMs. This argument added weight to the justification of cancelling the Arrow.[79][80] In 1958, Avro Aircraft Limited president and general manager Fred Smye elicited a promise from the USAF to "supply, free, the fire control system and missiles and if they would allow the free use of their flight test centre at... Edwards AFB."[81]"
"
The Arrow's cancellation was announced on 20 February 1959. The day became known as "Black Friday" in the Canadian aviation industry.[82] Diefenbaker claimed the decision was based on "a thorough examination" of threats and defensive measures, and the cost of defensive systems.[83] More specifically, the cost would have needed to be amortized over hundreds of manufactured models. At the time the trend was "away from conventional bombers" that the Avro Arrow could intercept and "towards atmospheric weapons like intercontinental ballistic missiles", according to Global News.[84] As a result, the foreign demand for the Avro Arrow had declined substantially.[85] Canada's alternative to the Arrow was to purchase some American McDonnell F-101 Voodoo interceptors and Bomarc B missiles.[84][86][87]
The decision immediately put 14,528 Avro employees, as well as nearly 15,000 other employees in the Avro supply chain of outside suppliers, out of work.[88] Declassified records show Avro management was caught unprepared by the suddenness of the announcement by the government; while executives were aware that the program was in jeopardy, they expected it to continue until the March review. It was widely believed during this lead-up to the review, the first Arrow Mk II, RL-206, would be prepared for an attempt at both world speed and altitude records.[89]"
"
Within two months of the project cancellation, all aircraft, engines, production tooling and technical data were ordered scrapped.[92] Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from cabinet and the chiefs of staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials used in the Arrow and Iroquois programs.[93] The action has been attributed to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin Archives.[94]"
"
Following the cancellation of the Avro Arrow project, CF-105 chief aerodynamicist Jim Chamberlin led a team of 25 engineers to NASA's Space Task Group to become lead engineers, program managers, and heads of engineering in NASA's manned space programs—projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo.[97] The Space Task Group team eventually grew to 32 Avro engineers and technicians, and became emblematic of what many Canadians viewed as a "brain drain" to the United States.[97"
"
Among the former Arrow team engineers to go south were Tecwyn Roberts (NASA's first flight dynamics officer on Project Mercury and later director of networks at the Goddard Space Flight Center) John Hodge (flight director and manager on the cancelled Space Station Freedom project), Dennis Fielder (director of the Space Station Task Force, later the Space Station), Owen Maynard (chief of the LM engineering office in the Apollo Program Office) and Rod Rose (technical assistant for the Space Shuttle program).[98][99] Many other engineers, including Jim Floyd, found work in either the UK or the United States....."
It seems the engineers of the arrow lost their jobs and the US hired them. Why is The US to blame?
en.m.wikipedia.org...
"Although no major problems were encountered during the initial testing phase, some minor issues with the landing gear and flight control system had to be rectified. The former problem was partly due to the tandem main landing gear[Note 1] being very narrow, in order to fit into the wings; the leg shortened in length and rotated as it was stowed.[57] During one landing incident, the chain mechanism (used to shorten the gear) in the Mark 1 gear jammed, resulting in incomplete rotation.[54] In a second incident with Arrow 202 on 11 November 1958, the flight control system commanded elevons full down at landing; the resulting reduction in weight on the gears reduced the effective tire friction, ultimately resulting in brake lockup and subsequent gear collapse.[5"
"
"Canada unsuccessfully tried to sell the Arrow to the US and Britain. The aircraft industry in both countries was considered a national interest and the purchase of foreign designs was rare.[7]
Nevertheless, from 1955 onwards, the UK had shown considerable interest in the Arrow. Desiring a high-performance interceptor like the Arrow, the RAF began the F.155 program in 1955, projecting a service entry date of 1962. As the program continued, it was clear the aircraft would not be ready by that date, and attention turned to interim designs that could be in service by the late 1950s to cover this period. At first, consideration was given to a "thin-wing" version of the Gloster Javelin that would provide moderate supersonic performance, along with the extremely high performance but short range Saunders-Roe SR.177."
"Procurement of the Arrow from Canada, and setting up a production line in the UK, was studied, the unit price per aircraft built in the UK being estimated at £220,000 each for a production run of 100 aircraft, as opposed to the estimate of £150,000 per aircraft for the thin wing Javelin.[72] The CF-105 would serve as a stopgap until the UK's F.155 project came to fruition, but with the F.155 due in 1963 and the Arrow not likely to reach the RAF before 1962, there was little point in proceeding.[73]"
"The infamous 1957 Defence White Paper,[74] described as "the biggest change in military policy ever made in normal times", led to the cancellation of almost all British manned fighter aircraft then in development,[75] and completely curtailed any likelihood of a purchase. In January 1959, the UK's final answer was no; Britain countered with an offer to sell Canada the English Electric Lightning.[76]"
"In the US, the 1954 interceptor was well underway, and would ultimately introduce the Convair F-106 Delta Dart, an aircraft with many similarities to the Arrow. More advanced designs were also being considered, notably the Mach 3 Republic XF-103, and by the time the Arrow was flying, the much more advanced North American XF-108. Both of these programs were cancelled during the mock-up stage, as it was believed the need for a manned interceptor of very high-performance simply did not exist as the Soviets were clearly moving their strategic force to ICBMs. This argument added weight to the justification of cancelling the Arrow.[79][80] In 1958, Avro Aircraft Limited president and general manager Fred Smye elicited a promise from the USAF to "supply, free, the fire control system and missiles and if they would allow the free use of their flight test centre at... Edwards AFB."[81]"
"
The Arrow's cancellation was announced on 20 February 1959. The day became known as "Black Friday" in the Canadian aviation industry.[82] Diefenbaker claimed the decision was based on "a thorough examination" of threats and defensive measures, and the cost of defensive systems.[83] More specifically, the cost would have needed to be amortized over hundreds of manufactured models. At the time the trend was "away from conventional bombers" that the Avro Arrow could intercept and "towards atmospheric weapons like intercontinental ballistic missiles", according to Global News.[84] As a result, the foreign demand for the Avro Arrow had declined substantially.[85] Canada's alternative to the Arrow was to purchase some American McDonnell F-101 Voodoo interceptors and Bomarc B missiles.[84][86][87]
The decision immediately put 14,528 Avro employees, as well as nearly 15,000 other employees in the Avro supply chain of outside suppliers, out of work.[88] Declassified records show Avro management was caught unprepared by the suddenness of the announcement by the government; while executives were aware that the program was in jeopardy, they expected it to continue until the March review. It was widely believed during this lead-up to the review, the first Arrow Mk II, RL-206, would be prepared for an attempt at both world speed and altitude records.[89]"
"
Within two months of the project cancellation, all aircraft, engines, production tooling and technical data were ordered scrapped.[92] Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from cabinet and the chiefs of staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials used in the Arrow and Iroquois programs.[93] The action has been attributed to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin Archives.[94]"
"
Following the cancellation of the Avro Arrow project, CF-105 chief aerodynamicist Jim Chamberlin led a team of 25 engineers to NASA's Space Task Group to become lead engineers, program managers, and heads of engineering in NASA's manned space programs—projects Mercury, Gemini and Apollo.[97] The Space Task Group team eventually grew to 32 Avro engineers and technicians, and became emblematic of what many Canadians viewed as a "brain drain" to the United States.[97"
"
Among the former Arrow team engineers to go south were Tecwyn Roberts (NASA's first flight dynamics officer on Project Mercury and later director of networks at the Goddard Space Flight Center) John Hodge (flight director and manager on the cancelled Space Station Freedom project), Dennis Fielder (director of the Space Station Task Force, later the Space Station), Owen Maynard (chief of the LM engineering office in the Apollo Program Office) and Rod Rose (technical assistant for the Space Shuttle program).[98][99] Many other engineers, including Jim Floyd, found work in either the UK or the United States....."
It seems the engineers of the arrow lost their jobs and the US hired them. Why is The US to blame?
edit on 3-5-2019 by Onlyyouknow because: (no reason given)
Am I supposed to stand and sing "O Canada" now ?
Cause I aint gonna do it
There is a reason for that according to some Ancient Alien Theorists.
Cause I aint gonna do it
Even aliens don't want to invade Canada,
There is a reason for that according to some Ancient Alien Theorists.
originally posted by: makemap
a reply to: Onlyyouknow
The only reason why Canada don't have the military it should have is because the Gov sold out its arms industries to the US.
Yes. We were leading the way at one point and then it was frowned upon by our neighbours to the South so we gave it up. We don't need to go to war and create more terrorists, we're too busy keeping warm!
originally posted by: Trillium
originally posted by: makemap
a reply to: Onlyyouknow
The only reason why Canada don't have the military it should have is because the Gov sold out its arms industries to the US.
This was the first sell out
then all the brain power when to NASA and Boing does SR71 ring a bell
research where the brain power came from
It wasn't a sell-out....lol....it was a sell-off...LMAO.....Canada is an adhoc member of the Galactic Federation....and thanks to Wilbert Smiths innovations and communications ….Canada was 200 years ahead of the Avro Arrow when they dumped the obsolete technology on the USA/World.There is only one reason no one has EVER TRIED TO SCREW WITH THE Canadians.....OVERWHELMING FORCE PROJECTION.....there is no Nation on Earth that can match Canadas defensive capabilities....you cannot touch them.....and if they touch you which they can do at will any time(hell even in other timelines) they will leave a mark...and it will be the ashen shadow outline of whatever you were before you poked the Red&White Maple Leaf Pony.
originally posted by: makemap
Only reason WW3 never started. Canada.
Stopping WW3
You wonder why WW3 hasn't started yet? Its your brothers in the North Canada. Canada has been preventing WW3 since the cold war era.
If you see youtube videos of Canada joining US side to do WW3. Those are made by brainwashed Americans making predictions.
Neutrality is the answer, but that doesn't mean letting your guard down. Here is how it goes. Canada has a lot of resources and a huge land, but they are not as brainwashed as American counterparts thanks to the Queen allowing it to have separate Gov. This is obvious when you see American nationalities lose their original tongue language compare to Canadian counterparts.
US betrayed everyone through out history. From Native Americans, French and Spanish. The time that US started betraying China is when everyone realizes who is the biggest threat to the world(cold war era). It was Soviet Union vs Western Capitalism.
No country is willing to invade Canada unless they are serious going to cause WW3. Canadians is the neutral area for all forces. Anyone that tries to takeover Canada will be seen as threat mainly because it has a huge land. You know what happens when a country tries to make their country bigger? The smaller ones will always fight back.
To this day forward, any super powers that invade Canada will be the start of WW3. Even aliens don't want to invade Canada, then the whole world will decide space aliens are the threat.
Or maybe the Aliens have been in Canada all along and this is the Invisible Hammer that keeps despots at Bay and prevents any type of takeover or invasion.
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