On the idea of ATS being a right wing echo chamber

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: olaru12
The irony is superb....

Mainly right wingers talking about how ATS isn't a right wing echo chamber.

Your continued presence here would seem to indicate those Right Wingers aren't wrong.

Actually I'm more conservative than you know. It's just that I think trump is a whitetrash, draft dodging, lying, POS, unfit to be president; like A lot of libertarians do...

Whats the color of his skin have to do with anything?

It's more a reflection of his character than anything else.

Ok got it. Racial insults are ok if you don't like someones character.

Dod you have any derogatory things to say about Obama referencing his race as a libertarian?

Oh for f#'s sake, whitetrash is not perceived as a racial insult by us white people, get over yourself. Toss out "trailer park redneck inbred" and people come out swinging, on the other hand. Must hit closer to some truth, hmm?

Whitetrash is a racial insult.

You being white and not thinking so is irrelevant.

You mad bro, having to use curse words.

Its ok, lsorry I hurt your feelings pointing out trumps race has nothing to do with his perceived faults

a reply to: Nyiah

Maybe whitetrash isn't in the same vein as some other slurs, but do you want to be called white trash or thought of as white trash?

a reply to: olaru12

But was he a "blacktrash" failure?

a reply to: Grambler

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right. And most Americans, for most of American history, used to be in that 'in-between' group.

But hey, that's insanity, right?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right. And most Americans, for most of American history, used to be in that 'in-between' group.

But hey, that's insanity, right?

I agree.

Which is why I wrote a thread saying calling ats a right wing echo chamber is incorrect.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right. And most Americans, for most of American history, used to be in that 'in-between' group.

But hey, that's insanity, right?

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right

There used to be . Many , many instances in common .
Then , the Democratic Party was completely overran by Progressive Liberals from the 60s and 70s. So far left they were in their own reality
I know , I was once there.

a reply to: Nyiah

Why would you purposely display such a vile personality to the rest of us willingly?

Its pretty simple: Identitarian politics precludes dissent.

Anyone who thinks differently, on anything, is perceived as "the enemy," or "right wing." This type of thinking can manifest just as easily in those on the relative fringe of the current left, due to how it all operates.

Essentially, an identitarian is going to see the "enemy" everywhere, and anything that diverges from a specific narrative serves to confirm that bias.

So, to many, a site with varied opinions will be perceived as an echo chamber for the "enemy." Once coupled with other programmed traits, like victim mentalities, the results are inevitable.

Its like isolating yourself in the woods and then complaining about the lack of amenities as proof of persecution.

All that said, ill almost always prefer a right wing echo chamber to those of the left if I'm forced to choose. Communication is still possible...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right. And most Americans, for most of American history, used to be in that 'in-between' group.

You know, I actually relate to what you're saying. I realized the other day that, for pretty much my entire adult life, the "Super Majority" has been the litmus test in DC. What's bizarre is, reading back though the politics of my youth under Reagan, Bush 1, and Clinton, the super majority was a rarely used concern in DC. It wasn't that Congress couldn't block a bill that only won by 51-49... it was that they only blocked those bills sparingly and it entirely depended on what the bill (or nomination) was. Now it seems like something as simple as where to get lunch from requires at least a 60% vote or the failing side will filibuster the hell out of the vote. It's ridiculous and it's ridiculous on both parties... it also has managed to shift Americans from being righteously pissed off that nothing is getting accomplished to actively taking sides and then blaming the opposition for either trying to pass something you disagree with or filibustering something you're in favor of. That's not democracy in any way, it's a circus act.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right. And most Americans, for most of American history, used to be in that 'in-between' group.

But hey, that's insanity, right?

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right

There used to be . Many , many instances in common .
Then , the Democratic Party was completely overran by Progressive Liberals from the 60s and 70s. So far left they were in their own reality
I know , I was once there.

I know but the great middle gets tarred with the brush of 'oppositism' by the radical and the extreme.

I.e: if you think Trump is not, "like, a clever person", you must therefore be a Democratic party supporter.

a reply to: schuyler

I was pro Bernie,then he sold out. Don't expect as many pro Bernie people showing up as you think.

a reply to: chr0naut

I know but the great middle gets tarred with the brush of 'oppositism' by the radical and the extreme.

There is no "great middle" and never has been
Just an intersection of ideas and ideals
Once upon a time
Those days passed with Teddy
I will qualify for the statement by saying "for the most part"
Yet , it gets worse the more the Progressive Liberal Democrat Socialists overrun the Democratic Party and in so doing shove it farther left

a reply to: Grambler

Great thread, you hit the nail on the head!

Great thread, you hit the nail on the head!

Great thread, you hit the nail on the head!

Great thread, you hit the nail on the head!

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: schuyler

I was pro Bernie,then he sold out. Don't expect as many pro Bernie people showing up as you think.

Not you too .
Say it aint so.

a reply to: chr0naut

I mean he did become president so he sure isn't dumb...and he is holding the presidency in the face of an unprecedented effort to unseat him.

In the end though all that really matters is did our elected representatives do their jobs and do it well. Did they have our best interests in mind while doing their jobs...you know. Personally I feel that Trump does have the average Americans interests in mind as he makes decisions...which is why I am willing to defend him. I am well versed in how politics work in general and have family that runs campaigns for Senate and state runs. I've been able to see into what a lot of you guess at here. I know 99% of it is corrupt to the bone because I've seen it first hand...watched the deals happen and all. Tbh its the same for the Judical system.

To act like you have presented us with a middle ground face in your posts here is kind of funny and if you'd like to bring that middle ground balanced and thoughtful posting I'd love to have some great discussions with you that I hopefully learn something from either about life and the world or myself.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Grambler

Here's an idea - perhaps there is something in between left and right. And most Americans, for most of American history, used to be in that 'in-between' group.

You know, I actually relate to what you're saying. I realized the other day that, for pretty much my entire adult life, the "Super Majority" has been the litmus test in DC. What's bizarre is, reading back though the politics of my youth under Reagan, Bush 1, and Clinton, the super majority was a rarely used concern in DC. It wasn't that Congress couldn't block a bill that only won by 51-49... it was that they only blocked those bills sparingly and it entirely depended on what the bill (or nomination) was. Now it seems like something as simple as where to get lunch from requires at least a 60% vote or the failing side will filibuster the hell out of the vote. It's ridiculous and it's ridiculous on both parties... it also has managed to shift Americans from being righteously pissed off that nothing is getting accomplished to actively taking sides and then blaming the opposition for either trying to pass something you disagree with or filibustering something you're in favor of. That's not democracy in any way, it's a circus act.

Yes, it is probably an attempt by radicals to present themselves as being reasonable.

Not too many years ago, America went to war against right wingers (Nazi's etc). Immediately after winning against them, they opposed left wingers (Communists). This wasn't that they were all 'left wing' and then suddenly shifted 'right wing', it was a case of them not being either extreme - and quite strongly!

But these days, the right wing are calling themselves 'conservatives' and therefore the inference is that the left must be radicals. The truth is the radicals are both right and left.

The true conservatives are in the middle and don't take either radical stand. Their centrism displays in that they don't have to 'radicalize' or proselytize everyone around them. They just are the way they are, and are more worried about making good of their own lives, than playing political games.

Not that they are apolitical, they'll stand firm when required, they just don't fall into either camp.

Well here's my dumb opinion - no it's not an echo chamber.
My theory is that for the last 3+ years the left leaning members have been given false hope by the liberal MSM and the more prolific (almost like they had an "agenda" or something) hyper-left posters that we have had here. With every pie-in-the-sky "collusion", "obstruction", "self enrichment", etc. headline and nonstop 24/7 tv and internet coverage they have been convinced they were fighting the good fight. Then our conservative posters come with facts and evidence that usually not only refutes the claim, but traces the source of the bogus claim back to the feet of the DNC and their cohorts.
After having their bubble burst so many, many times their ranks have thinned, I can see where the ones that remain might claim "echo chamber" rather than admit they were wrong.

Presumably, an echo chamber would be all people who tell me exactly what I want to hear. Even the people whose posts I most respect and enjoy here don't do that, so I don't think we've crossed over into echo chamber territory. Either I am an outlier who disagrees all the time with everyone or we don't present a monolithic opinion nearly as often as accused.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: chr0naut

I mean he did become president so he sure isn't dumb...and he is holding the presidency in the face of an unprecedented effort to unseat him.

In the end though all that really matters is dix our elected representatives do thwir jobs and do it well. Did they have our best interests in kind while doing their jobs...you know. Personally I feel that Trump does have the average Americans interests in mind as he makes decisions...which is why I am willing to defend him. I am well versed in how politics work in general and have family that runs campaigns for Senate and state runs. I've been able to see into what a lot of you guess at here. I know 99% of it is corrupt to the bone because I've seen it first hand...watched the deals happen and all. Tbh its the same for the Judical system.

To act like you have presented us with a middle ground face in your posts here is kind of funny and if you'd like to bring that middle ground balanced and thoughtful posting I'd love to have some great discussions with you that I hopefully learn something from either about life and the world or myself.

He was on TV, too!



But seriously, do you recall back in 2016, no-one really expected Trump to take the Presidency and the general consensus when he did, was that his election was a protest vote against the status quo.

But now he is in office, he is 'your President', and so you have a selection bias in his favor.

As I am not an American, he isn't 'my President' so I have no such selection bias. I still see him as some reality TV show host who now has his hands on the controls of national and international power.

Many of his policies (like pulling out of the Paris climate accords and disruptions to trade with allied nations) I see as a threat to more than just the American people. Because of the power and wealth of the US, it can potentially negatively affect every other nation.

The ultra-nationalism of Trump means that the US can be a bad international neighbor, which is not good for anyone in the long term.

a reply to: chr0naut

I don't think those policies hurt the world. I think the climate accord and the globalists that support t seek to erode national sovereignty for many countries and are more of a danger to the world, and they view trump as their enemy.

But what country do you reside in?

Do you want a leader that focuses on helping your country, or helping people in other countries?