Neuroscientist Researching Brain Chips To Make People Superintelligent

a reply to: Lumenari

Wisdom isn't something you can download.

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: snarfbot

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: snarfbot

Did you even bother to read the study or are you just blindly responding? A direct quote from the study.

Here we show that children's working memory skills at 5 years of age was the best predictor of reading, spelling, and math outcomes six years later. IQ, in contrast, accounted for a smaller portion of unique variance to reading and math skills, and was not a significant predictor of spelling performance.

I'm convinced that you didn't read what was posted and you're just blindly posting.

AS I SAID, Intelligence without memory is useless. You said things like vice versa and when it comes to intelligence and memory the same can be true of the opposite. No it can't and if you would read instead of posting without any evidence to support anything you're saying maybe you would learn.

So? Does that mean its correlation or causation, in your estimation?

First tell me what difference does it make. You haven't provided a shred of scientific evidence to support anything you're saying and I just think you're throwing out terms with no clue as to what you're talking about.

So explain to me exactly what your asking in terms of causation and correlation as it pertains to the studies I've posted.

LOL well that took a while, that was just one example of inaccuracy in the Livescience article. So are you gonna answer now?

They misrepresented technology and its applications, DBS implants, computer-brain interface, Machine Learning, Artificial Intelligence, etc, so that was sort of the icing on the cake.

a reply to: Lumenari

You said:

I got frustrated with the OP and left because he/she doesn't understand that having access to more information does not in fact make you smarter and didn't feel like outing myself to say why I felt that.

Yes it does make you smarter if our brains are merged with AI. AI learns, it doesn't just take in information. It learns of correlations in the data an that's basically what intelligence is. So the faster you can make these correlations, the smarter you will be.

a reply to: snarfbot

You sound ridiculous. There wasn't any mistake and I quoted directly from one of the published papers and I asked:

So explain to me exactly what your asking in terms of causation and correlation as it pertains to the studies I've posted.

Did you even read the study? Explain how the question of correlations and causation pertains to this:

Working memory, our ability to process and remember information, is linked to a range of cognitive activities from reasoning tasks to verbal comprehension. There is also extensive evidence of the relationship between working memory and learning outcomes. However, some researchers suggest that working memory is simply a proxy for IQ and does not make a unique contribution to learning outcomes. Here we show that children's working memory skills at 5 years of age was the best predictor of reading, spelling, and math outcomes six years later. IQ, in contrast, accounted for a smaller portion of unique variance to reading and math skills, and was not a significant predictor of spelling performance. Our results demonstrate that working memory is not a proxy for IQ, but rather represents a dissociable cognitive skill with unique links to learning outcomes. Critically, we find that working memory at the start of formal education is a more powerful predictor of subsequent academic success than IQ. This result has important implications for education, particularly with respect to developing intervention and training. It appears that we should target our efforts in developing working memory skills in order to see gains in learning.

I keep asking you and you keep dodging

I don't need to be more intelligent. I think this world works better if you're just a little on the dumb side. Too much intelligence just leads to frustration.

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: snarfbot

You sound ridiculous. There wasn't any mistake and I quoted directly from one of the published papers and I asked:

So explain to me exactly what your asking in terms of causation and correlation as it pertains to the studies I've posted.

Did you even read the study? Explain how the question of correlations and causation pertains to this:

Working memory, our ability to process and remember information, is linked to a range of cognitive activities from reasoning tasks to verbal comprehension. There is also extensive evidence of the relationship between working memory and learning outcomes. However, some researchers suggest that working memory is simply a proxy for IQ and does not make a unique contribution to learning outcomes. Here we show that children's working memory skills at 5 years of age was the best predictor of reading, spelling, and math outcomes six years later. IQ, in contrast, accounted for a smaller portion of unique variance to reading and math skills, and was not a significant predictor of spelling performance. Our results demonstrate that working memory is not a proxy for IQ, but rather represents a dissociable cognitive skill with unique links to learning outcomes. Critically, we find that working memory at the start of formal education is a more powerful predictor of subsequent academic success than IQ. This result has important implications for education, particularly with respect to developing intervention and training. It appears that we should target our efforts in developing working memory skills in order to see gains in learning.

I keep asking you and you keep dodging

You wont even answer whether its causation or correlation! Talking about dodging.

You said you would after I told you why I brought it up. Well answer. Posting this treatise over and over in bold that artfully dodges the question of correlation while vaguely implying causation is still dodging.

a reply to: neoholographic

I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this one because I'm smarter than you are.

It doesnt even matter as the state of the art for machine learning and AI leaves computers completely unable to aid cognition in the way they are describing in that article.

Were not there yet, and it's no where in sight. Like completely off the horizon a lofty but seemingly unreachable goal. I wish them luck.

This is one of the most dangerous and anti human developments in human history and may indeed become the epitaph of our species.

Free will shall be lost.

True understanding and knowledge will be replaced with instant access to a database meaning human's will not even have to learn to think just to access data - this does NOT make them more intelligent it makes them into slaves - drones to a machine - a machine that shall then decide - with it's victim's - those digital zombies mindless consent - to replace the inferior and useless drones that do not add to it but merely slow it's net processing speed down.

This is NOT a step in the right direction but a dead end evolutionarily speaking for the human race and everyone knows that dead end's in that sense lead to extinction.

This is not adaptation it is circumvention.

But?.

If it is regulated it may come to simply replace the calculator, the alarm clock, the watch, the cell phone and the internet.

It may come to serve humanity instead of humanity serving it but how long shall that last?.

Sometimes you just want to slam Pandora's box shut with the strong sense that this has already all happened before somewhere.

Very dangerous, Very prone to abuse and a Trojan horse to take control of people.

But?.

If the Technology remains' OUR servant and AI is banned with only VI - smart interactive database with limited self determination at it's kernel then we may still have a chance for this to be lead to a bright future, it is a very unlikely outcome though,
and the most likely outcome of this is,
for an elite to abuse this for there own end's,
a merged intelligence lacking the original individuality and ego of the human mind and made up of many parts in a hideous gestalt of intelligence and twisted insanity to seek to destroy all remaining individuality turning humanity into a race of zombies controlled by itself and slaves set for extermination that are not controlled by it.

I really do not wish to look any deeper into this it is a can of worm's and non of them are benign.

Who really want's this, military to increase reaction speed in pilot's or for direct consciousness connection to drones long range and ditching the indirect control interface they currently use.

Benign use, medical augmentation of brain damaged patient's, spinal nerve bypass for disabled people and direct memory storage to save a human personality and it's lifetime of learning from being lost - each and every time even the most simple minded human dies it is like the burning of countless great library's of Alexandria but this only hold's true if you really do not believe in the Soul.

I see on balance this as a horrible abuse of technology or at the least that it's benign use will inevitably be abused and corrupted by those whom think they know better and really do not and never have.

a reply to: BlueJacket

As long as you don't pray to any god while eating said Bananas. Most likely the first thing outlawed will be the irrational and illogical idea of religion. These ideological constructs are useless and will be eradicated i fear.
Resistance will show weak intellect and will be eliminated. LOL

-ThoughtIsMadness

a reply to: neoholographic

I'm still holding out hope for the point of view gun making an appearance.

a reply to: snarfbot


More than likely due to the way the testing is done. IQ is a useless measurement used to segregate humans. It is not a reliable measurement of ability.

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originally posted by: Mandroid7
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originally posted by: neoholographic
Of course they are. I have been saying this for years. The only way humans will survive with AI, at least for awhile, is by becoming Cyborgs.

There's nothing wrong with humans exactly the way they are right now. It's just the people in power are never satisfied with the power they have. The essence of happiness comes from knowing the way to get what you want is to want what you have. People obsessed with power are always miserable and unhappy. There is no end to being drunk with power. It is an addiction like alcoholism.

Computer chips to help paraplegics walk are terrific. Chips used to make a cheaper more efficient police force or soldier in my mind are a questionable use of technology. There are much cheaper ways to be anti-human.

Neuroscientist Researching Brain Chips To Make People Superintelligent

Don't bet on it.

We've seen the result from one of mankinds greatest inventions.

The internets.

People haven't gotten smarter from it.

Just another piece of tech that will be abused.

originally posted by: snarfbot

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: snarfbot
a reply to: neoholographic

Would you consider those devices smart chips? The ones that were implanted into 80,000 people?

The last one would qualify, but that was a "small test of 15 patients" per your own quote, so where are the other 39,985?

Did you read what you just said? Of course their all smart chips. In many cases, you will not need to implant new chips just upgrade the chips that are already implanted. For instance, the DARPA test used people that already had implants for other medical reasons.

If you don't know that current implants can easily be turned into smart chips then you just don't understand the tech.

LOL I think you're the one who doesn't understand the tech. You are talking about a device that periodically stimulates a specific area of the brain to prevent tremors.

It's the brain equivalent to a pacemaker.

How can you "easily" turn that into a smart chip?

It is a literal pacemaker. I have a Vagus Nerve Stimulation (VNS) device due to epilepsy, it's a replacement nerve and electrode system. A sensor detects the heartbeat for any 'signature' unusual beats that happen prior to a seizure and causes a minor jolt of current to prevent a seizure - they're also shown to alleviate depression better than anti-depressants. The devices can be switched on and off by using a magnet.

There isn't any way to easily upgrade it as far as I'm aware - it's only wired to a particular part of the brain and its function is to mirror the behaviour of a singular nerve (the vagus nerve) rather than an entire neural network - that would be exponentially more complex.

originally posted by: snarfbot
"Approximately 40,000 people in the United States already have smart chips in their heads, but those brain implants are only approved for medical use for now."

I would love to see what they cite for this chestnut.

What a load of bull.

What's so hard to believe about it? Neuro implants have been around since 1995.