New York legislature votes to legalize abortion up to birth, let non-doctors commit abortions

originally posted by: EternalSolace
This bill... seriously?!

Might as well let the mother give birth, stick an IV in the kid, and perform a lethal injection like they do for death row inmates.


Is this how lightly and pathetic humanity now considers the source of our continuation?

Your over the top reaction, means you did not read all of the article. An abortion can be done that late, only if the baby would not survive delivery. Still seems very wrong.

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is some seriously sick legislation.

Who are they going to get to murder a viable baby? No normal human is going to want to take part in something this evil.

Unfortunately plenty of people would do it for the money, and I wouldn’t be surprised they sell some babies to some scientific research facilities.

This is very sad. New York is going to hell in a handbasket.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: snowspirit

Nothing else makes any sense. If a baby (a viable fetus), is of age to survive outside the womb, it would just be taken out and put in an incubator. Doctors aren’t going to just kill a viable fetus, that’d be nuts.

Uhhhh, they already do that all over the country...........surely you dont think the only abortions that happen are unviable fetuses?

Doctors just killing viable babies???! After the 24 week mark?
Why wouldn’t they be adopted by an adoption agency, or whoever?

originally posted by: iplay1up2

originally posted by: EternalSolace
This bill... seriously?!

Might as well let the mother give birth, stick an IV in the kid, and perform a lethal injection like they do for death row inmates.


Is this how lightly and pathetic humanity now considers the source of our continuation?

Your over the top reaction, means you did not read all of the article. An abortion can be done that late, only if the baby would not survive delivery. Still seems very wrong.

none of em read it dude

if they did and understood it then they wouldnt have anything to freak out about

a reply to: iplay1up2
No, not only. If the mother's health is at risk, you k ow the same kind of health that requires an. Emotional support squirrel, the baby can also be aborted , during labor no doubt.

Because that is how it is worded. Health can be anything g from. Physical, emotional, to mental health.

originally posted by: iplay1up2

originally posted by: EternalSolace
This bill... seriously?!

Might as well let the mother give birth, stick an IV in the kid, and perform a lethal injection like they do for death row inmates.


Is this how lightly and pathetic humanity now considers the source of our continuation?

Your over the top reaction, means you did not read all of the article. An abortion can be done that late, only if the baby would not survive delivery. Still seems very wrong.

Said from someone who has no idea how resilient an infant is in the face of mortality...

I've seen it and experienced it. You have not.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: iplay1up2
No, not only. If the mother's health is at risk, you k ow the same kind of health that requires an. Emotional support squirrel, the baby can also be aborted , during labor no doubt.

Because that is how it is worded. Health can be anything g from. Physical, emotional, to mental health.

you have completely lost it

youre just making it up as you go trying to get people to react

Good, New York needs less people.


Distract from the rigged system with soap opera grade politics and shocking and dividing issues and legislation like tranny bathrooms, guns, healthcare and abortion #23556432567

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is some seriously sick legislation.

Who are they going to get to murder a viable baby? No normal human is going to want to take part in something this evil.

Augustus would, but that's for like science or his club or something.

Nah, only for lulz.

He is a principled dude, like that.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
this is what it says

Adds a provision for abortions at any time if the baby would not survive the birth. Additionally, the act permits abortions at any point if it is necessary to protect the mother's life or health.

It's in the writing. Mental and emotional health are health. So yes, based on the writing, it's clear someone could technically legally abort during labor for health reasons.

a reply to: LSU2018

To be fair, everyone breaks rules.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I have not read the bill, only the article, but this isn't much of a change.

You can only abort up to birth if it is a heath danger.

The murder charge (although it may be different in NY) was if the child took a breath then died. So taking out the 24 week part could effect some, but not many cases.

Commenting to save to read the bill after my evening plans. Will ETA if the bill changes what I have said.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: iplay1up2

originally posted by: EternalSolace
This bill... seriously?!

Might as well let the mother give birth, stick an IV in the kid, and perform a lethal injection like they do for death row inmates.


Is this how lightly and pathetic humanity now considers the source of our continuation?

Your over the top reaction, means you did not read all of the article. An abortion can be done that late, only if the baby would not survive delivery. Still seems very wrong.

none of em read it dude

if they did and understood it then they wouldnt have anything to freak out about

You're just as oblivious for the same reason I mentioned.

Doctors care about their numbers. Not about good chances, not about predictability, not about slight chances. The folks in EMS... paramedics, emts, flight nurses and medics, first responders... we cling to the impossible. We strive for the miracle and don't give up if it's not in sight. We strive for nothing less than the miraculous and never give up.

Children and infants, the born/unborn, are insanely prone to the miracle. So to say that an abortion is acceptable in the face of uncertainty is ludicrous.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Sick disgusting g mother #ers! Everyone who voted in favor needs to be aborted now! And those who proposed it, firing squads.

Hold your horses. Is this even true?
I can't believe that it is.
Think about it - if true it would contravene Roe vs Wade. That SC ruling made clear that abortions could be allowed up to viability.

The Reproductive Health Act maintains the 24-week limit under which women can seek abortions but adds a provision for abortions at any time if the baby would not survive the birth. Additionally, the act permits abortions at any point if it is necessary to protect the mother's life or health.

is this how it is now?

Pretty much.
I am not sure what NY are legislating yet - not read the bill - but I'd be shocked if it were abortion for any reason right up to birth as is being said.

www.newsday.com...

A primary change in the 2019 law permits for a late-term abortion to preserve the health of the mother. Supporters say this conforms with Roe v. Wade; opponents say it wrongly expands access to late-term abortions

The new law also shifts the abortion law from the state’s penal code to its health code — thereby removing doctors and others from the threat of prosecution, advocates say.

Further, the new law would permit physician assistants, nurse practitioners and midwives to provide nonsurgical abortion care.

Seriously can no one here read?

originally posted by: worldstarcountry

originally posted by: TinySickTears
this is what it says

Adds a provision for abortions at any time if the baby would not survive the birth. Additionally, the act permits abortions at any point if it is necessary to protect the mother's life or health.

It's in the writing. Mental and emotional health are health. So yes, based on the writing, it's clear someone could technically legally abort during labor for health reasons.

ok

you got it all figured out

Literally killing babies.

Literally.

There is no hiding the ugly truth here.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Literally killing babies.

Literally.

There is no hiding the ugly truth here.

Absolutely #ing sick... seriously. Made me sick.

ARTICLE 25-A
27 REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ACT
28 Section 2599-aa. Policy and purpose.
29 2599-bb. Abortion.
30 § 2599-aa. Policy and purpose. The legislature finds that comprehen-
31 sive reproductive health care is a fundamental component of every indi-
32 vidual's health, privacy and equality. Therefore, it is the policy of
33 the state that:
34 1. Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse
35 contraception or sterilization.
36 2. Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to
37 choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to
38 have an abortion, pursuant to this article.
39 3. The state shall not discriminate against, deny, or interfere with
40 the exercise of the rights set forth in this section in the regulation
41 or provision of benefits, facilities, services or information.

42 § 2599-bb. Abortion. 1. A health care practitioner licensed, certi-
43 fied, or authorized under title eight of the education law, acting with-
44 in his or her lawful scope of practice, may perform an abortion when,
45 according to the practitioner's reasonable and good faith professional
46 judgment based on the facts of the patient's case: the patient is within
47 twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an
48 absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the
49 patient's life or health.

50 2. This article shall be construed and applied consistent with and
51 subject to applicable laws and applicable and authorized regulations
52 governing health care procedures.

Bold is mine.

The problem seems to be in the details. Health could easily be defined as mental health. I suspect this will be abused.

The word "abortion" was also removed from criminal law.

When this stuff about late term abortion was in the news in the 90's, I had a conversation with two MD's I know and both said the same thing to me. They told me there is never a case where a cesarean section is not the safest for the mother and that late term abortion poses an added risk to the mother. If that is true, there is never a case where late term abortion should be considered by a medical professional. Any qualified MD's here? The two I asked were qualified, but those are the only two I know well enough to ask.

Weren't we told this would never happen by the pro-abortion advocates?

a reply to: dug88

It does appear that the broadening of the criteria to include a very general statement about the 'health' of the mother effectively provides for abortion on demand at any stage in the term, even up to the day the baby is due.

This is not in line with Roe vs Wade.

For those supporting the NY legislation, you are wiping your asses with Roe vs Wade, so don't cry or put on the pussy hat if it is overturned once RBG pops her clogs and is replaced with a Conservative SC Justice.