anti-wall rhetoric should be raising some serious concerns and questions

some of the most common rhetoric being used by those against a border wall should be raising some serious concerns and questions. including questions about government collusion with criminals and purposely allowing illegal aliens and things like drugs into the US. i know it has caused me theses concerns and brings up important questions.

i am sure many are getting sick and tired about those against a wall citing things like. "a wall won't stop illegal immigration or things like drug smuggling. all they will do is go under the wall, over the wall, or around the wall. and even if the wall stretches from coastline to coastline, they will just swim or use boats to go around it". and this does seem to be the most common set of excuses being used to oppose a wall.

first lets deal with going under the wall. which of course means those myriad tunnels going under the US/Mexican border as we are being led to believe is like swiss cheese. just how is it these tunels are not found and dealt with. and of course even stopped before they are complete? even going back as far as world war 2 technology has been available for finding tunneling operations. the Germans even used said technology to try to find allied escape tunnels from prison camps. simple things like microphones to listen for the sounds of digging and sysmic sensors to detect the vibrations cause by digging tunels. now they certainly were not perfect back then, about 75-80 years ago. yet with the major advances in technology in that time they sould be much better now. and that is just a set of very old ways. why have they not used satellites to search out and find these tunnels? we have use such satellite technology for just that type of purpose. we have used satellites to find things like nuclear missile silos. it has been used to find under ground rivers such as parts of the nile. they have been used to find long dead, dried and burried water courses. they have even been used to find old settlments and cities that are underground. so you are telling me we can do all of those simmilar things using satellites, but not find these tunnels? that certainly does not sound right. are these drug lords using some sort of steath tunneling technology to hide their tunnels? technology that as far as we know even governments that spend billions on research and development don't have? seems to me that the government organisations involved should be able to spot every single tunel and be able to put them out of action. possibly even waiting at the exits to arrest anyone who comes through. and confiscate any contraband they are bringing. or do they have reasons not to want to stop it? seriously the hardest part of finding all these things is knowing where to look. and we know EXACTLY where to look, that being along the border. it's not like playing a guessing game where they could be anywhere in the US or the world, the border is in one general area.

how about over the wall? we have heard that they will just use aircraft to fly drugs, contraband and illegals over the border. even use small drones to do so, althogh drones certainhly would not be suitable for smuggling people, just rather small ammounts of light weight contraband. and yet again we have technology that goes back 75-80 years or so ago and used in ww2. RADAR. which yet again has been steadily improved on for all those years. we can find and track small and extremely fast missiles, and even shoot them down using it slaved to guns. but we can't find aircraft flying contraband over the border? we have fixed location radar, we have mobile airborn radar (AWACS), we likely even have very good satallite based radar. so yet again why is it not being utilized? and yet again we KNOW exactly where it would need to be used. or yet again are we saying that these criminals are using sofisticated stealth technology that is superior to what countries spending billions on research and development can't find?

the just going arround it excuse is even more pathetic. if there was a propper, continuas wall, the only way arround it would be to go to either coast and take to the water. which of course brings us to the just use boats excuse. and again with boats we have this wonderful thing called radar. and not only can it be paced on shore instalations, aircraft, and likely satllites, it can also be mounted on boats. they could use submarines, even though what most smuglers use are erroniously called submarines since they don't actually submerge. we have this wonderful thing, yet again used 75-80 years ago in world war 2, called sonar and yet again it has been greatly improved over the years. we have even used sonar lines and even audio detection systems that have been used to great effect to find submarines for many years. and yet again constantly improved upon for all those years.

so exactly why has the government not seen fit to even try to protect the border? there is no propper wall. they don't appear to have even tried to find and propperly deal with the tunnels. they have not really done anything to stop aircraft or boats. the only answers are they want the smuggling of people, drugs and other contraband comming into the country, or at least those that pull their strings don't. this is what we should be asking about and demanding answers over. the fact that no one, not democrats, nor Republicans have ever even really tried to do anything about the problem. why not? we have the know how and tools, and have for years, and getting better all the time. so why has the government failed on this front? and the only real answer can be, "because they don't want to fix the problem"


would even doing all these things stop smuggling and illegal aliens? of course not, nothing is ever completely fool proof. but it would certainly cut down the numbers, thus saving money in the long run. even just a wall if propperly built and properly patrolled, would cut down the ammounts of smuggling and especially illegal aliens. quite simply because it would become both more hasardous, as well as more expensive to do so. with tunneling, not only is it expensive, but there is the danger of things like cave ins, which would make people think twice. boats and aircraft are expensive, and come with their own hazzards. but you know what, with no real wall in place there is no real thing to make people think twice about trying. anyone can try to walk across with or without help. sure there are even hazzards with that, but not as much as other methods. and if just doing it on your own it can be done cheaply with just a few supplies.


and a propperly built wall would not be easily cut through, rammed through, or even easily blown up unlike the cheap substandard fences they call walls will. but even those are better than the nothing that is there now. especially if propperly patrolled and watched.

a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

Maybe you should brush up on history, because you don't seem to understand how the Trojan Horse worked.

anti-wall rhetoric should be raising some serious concerns and questions

Only one that comes to my mind is, ' When did commies not like walls.'

a reply to: generik

This is a very legitimate point you make, on what is really driving anti-wall rhetoric. I read an article yesterday where the author says walls are "historically ineffective". Then i reach the end and find the author is an immigration law attorney. Everyone for the wall has an agenda; Protecting national sovereignty. Not everyone against a wall has an agenda. Some are only acting in response as it aligns with their political identity. The ones who do have an agenda however, you can be sure of one thing -- money is involved. On the conservative side the money is in the form of long term savings thrown on the backs of middlle class Americans. On the liberal side it is a selfish and personal gain.

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

ooooh K

Trust me... If there ever comes a time where people can't "Escape" the USA, there will be no other "safe" place to run to.

We don't have the 2nd amendment to run away....

All im sayin

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

Maybe you should brush up on history, because you don't seem to understand how the Trojan Horse worked.

The phone call is coming from inside the house!

a reply to: StallionDuck

To be fair, it is difficult to leave the country without a passport, and the government can revoke your passport, but legislating for the masses based on fringe cases is foolish.

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

ooooh K

Trust me... If there ever comes a time where people can't "Escape" the USA, there will be no other "safe" place to run to.

We don't have the 2nd amendment to run away....

All im sayin

Let us think for a second shall we.

So let's say the wall is built with good intentions.
Then someone comes into power with bad intentions and removes that 2nd amendment.
So now a wall is in place and your guns are gone......
Think about that dude.

a reply to: StallionDuck

Can think of several scenarios, on why people would want to flee and seek refugee and asylum status south and north of the border.

One is what will happen when and if gun confiscation goes door to door and/or civil war erupts...

Another is Yellowstone...or climate change...

Another Economic collapse and FEMA etc., takes over or the UN...

Or how about this one, bombed like Iraq and Afghanistan and other places, the USA has used drones and other forms of weapons..

imagine swarms of robotic , ai and autonomous weapons unleashed on ya...

Quote the 2nd amendment all you want...

Think it is going to help?

Bugging out down south or north might be good for some, though really if Wall is stopping the flood of those fleeing and mexico barricades their side, with 50,000 new troops they got this month...and getting paid by say UN and/or USA to block and also being blocked on the USA side, as you know you need credentials to go state to state and getting out of the USA is not going to be easier with the wall, for those who might be trying to survive and not be massacred or put in some interment camp...

Say a dictator gets elected who decides does not like guns?

Says turn them in or else, and then a robot knocks on your door.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

ooooh K

Trust me... If there ever comes a time where people can't "Escape" the USA, there will be no other "safe" place to run to.

We don't have the 2nd amendment to run away....

All im sayin

Let us think for a second shall we.

So let's say the wall is built with good intentions.
Then someone comes into power with bad intentions and removes that 2nd amendment.
So now a wall is in place and your guns are gone......
Think about that dude.

bingo.

All this fuss about a wall, let's say Trump really is working with Russians and NWO and plan is ...

I think what’s more troubling is that the supporters of the wall claim to be small government types, but by supporting the wall they are inadvertently supporting the government confiscating the land of private citizens.

But hey, who cares about the government taking private citizens land as long as it’s Donald Trump doing it?

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

ooooh K

Trust me... If there ever comes a time where people can't "Escape" the USA, there will be no other "safe" place to run to.

We don't have the 2nd amendment to run away....

All im sayin

Let us think for a second shall we.

So let's say the wall is built with good intentions.
Then someone comes into power with bad intentions and removes that 2nd amendment.
So now a wall is in place and your guns are gone......
Think about that dude.

Think about it yourself- if someone comes into power and removes the second amendment, we're not trapped in here with them... They're trapped in here with us.

a reply to: generik

The border "crisis" is manufactured by trump. If borders are so important, why just Mexico? The U.S. Canadian border, is the second largest, unsecured border in the world!

90% of illegal drugs, enter through our ports of entry. Most illegals don't cross the border in Mexico!

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

ooooh K

Trust me... If there ever comes a time where people can't "Escape" the USA, there will be no other "safe" place to run to.

We don't have the 2nd amendment to run away....

All im sayin

Let us think for a second shall we.

So let's say the wall is built with good intentions.
Then someone comes into power with bad intentions and removes that 2nd amendment.
So now a wall is in place and your guns are gone......
Think about that dude.

could you go back to the part where someone tried to take our guns away please? I really want to hear more about how that is going to take place.

a reply to: Allaroundyou

Then you will see a Civil War that makes the first one look like a schoolyard spat.
110 million gun owners.
An estimated 600 million guns.
Trillions of rounds of ammo.

Just how ugly do you think that would get before it's over ?

originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: generik

The border "crisis" is manufactured by trump. If borders are so important, why just Mexico? The U.S. Canadian border, is the second largest, unsecured border in the world!

90% of illegal drugs, enter through our ports of entry. Most illegals don't cross the border in Mexico!

Canada isn't a third world # hole run by gangs and cartels. Mexico is.

originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: generik

The border "crisis" is manufactured by trump. If borders are so important, why just Mexico? The U.S. Canadian border, is the second largest, unsecured border in the world!

90% of illegal drugs, enter through our ports of entry. Most illegals don't cross the border in Mexico!

nobody has ever brought a flash mob to your house and ate all your Cheetos. But I bet you have a door on the front just in case.

originally posted by: a325nt

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: generik

What about the trojan horse theory...like when cannot get out and the wall is used to detain US people?

ooooh K

Trust me... If there ever comes a time where people can't "Escape" the USA, there will be no other "safe" place to run to.

We don't have the 2nd amendment to run away....

All im sayin

Let us think for a second shall we.

So let's say the wall is built with good intentions.
Then someone comes into power with bad intentions and removes that 2nd amendment.
So now a wall is in place and your guns are gone......
Think about that dude.

Think about it yourself- if someone comes into power and removes the second amendment, we're not trapped in here with them... They're trapped in here with us.

Wait a second man!
I was supposed to be making the point and now you turned it around on me.
You ruined everything.
Now your talking "Battle Royale" type stuff here.

What it looks like to me is that the DNC and affiliated organizations plus media are conducting a survey of sorts on just how gullible and stupid their supporters are, so they will know and can plan future crimes, since having so many supporters seems to help shield crimes like drug smuggling and human trafficking from the real scrutiny and exposure that it deserves.

There is a flavor of crimes to choose from, so whichever one or ones fit those opposing a wall, is enough for that class to go along with without caring about the other ones.

This information war happening right now is just as dangerous as the information wars that happened in Nazi Germany in the 1930's.