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Originally posted by UnMature
I just can't see why it's so hard to believe that a few brave men did some extraordinary and left our world for another one entirely and come back to a well deserved hero's welcome.
Originally posted by Noumenon
We should all probably realize that the space race was a great way to show the world our missile technology without being blatantly warmongering. Having said that, it would have cost more to actually fake it than DO it.
The urge to DO it is just too strong to resist. Boys will be boys, and so will German and American scientists and military hardware lovers. FAKE it??!! Hell, no, lets LIGHT that candle!
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
boys will be boys? Nope. Explain why no one else has done it. If your rationale was correct, Russia and China would've been right behind us. To date, NADA.
PsyOps is a MOFO.
Originally posted by COOL HAND
Oh brother, you really have reached a new low.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Hey Noumenon, looks like you got a new friend.
Originally posted by COOL HAND
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Hey Noumenon, looks like you got a new friend.
Never thought I would see the day where you (of all people) would become a point whore. Never has your purpose here been more clearly demonstrated than with this post.
The mods should get together and deduct points for posts like this.
Originally posted by sardion2000
Uhh you guys do know that there is a current experiment going on involving shooting a laser and bouncing it off a mirror left behind by apallo 11 I believe. So unless it was placed there with robotics, then that is proof enough. Why even talk about this anyway? The private space industry will confirm it in like 10-15 years anyway when they finally go to the moon.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Originally posted by sardion2000
Uhh you guys do know that there is a current experiment going on involving shooting a laser and bouncing it off a mirror left behind by apallo 11 I believe. So unless it was placed there with robotics, then that is proof enough. Why even talk about this anyway? The private space industry will confirm it in like 10-15 years anyway when they finally go to the moon.
You believe?
Why talk about it? B/c MAYBE it didn't happen. Maybe our government lied. It is definitely possible.
And at that time, we shall see.
The Apollo 14 spectrometer recorded an increase in charged particles as the Moon passed through Earth's magnetosphere (an envelope of charged particles produced by the interaction of Earth's magnetic field and the solar wind). A laser mirror added to the Apollo 11 mirror baseline helped provide data on the lunar interior and rotation of both Earth and the Moon; it helped scientists discover that the Moon was receding from Earth at about 3 centimeters per year. The portable magnetometer used during the EVAs verified Apollo 12 measurements of magnetic field strength and showed that the field varied considerably from place to place. Other experiments conducted during the Apollo 14 mission are described in detail in the books listed below.
The Laser Ranging Retroreflector experiment was deployed on Apollo 11, 14, and 15. It consists of a series of corner-cube reflectors, which are a special type of mirror with the property of always reflecting an incoming light beam back in the direction it came from. A similar device was also included on the Soviet Union's Lunakhod 2 spacecraft. These reflectors can be illuminated by laser beams aimed through large telescopes on Earth. The reflected laser beam is also observed with the telescope, providing a measurement of the round-trip distance between Earth and the Moon. This is the only Apollo experiment that is still returning data from the Moon. Many of these measurements have been made by McDonald Observatory in Texas. From 1969 to 1985, they were made on a part-time basis using the McDonald Observatory 107-inch telescope. Since 1985, these observations have been made using a dedicated 30-inch telescope. Additional measurements have been made by observatories in Hawaii, California, France, Australia, and Germany.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
all good points, all I have to add is the folks who witnessed the launch. They must have been mass-hypnotized or something ?
If we had the goods to launch something that big, that went up as high as anyone could see, how much of a stretch is it to get to the moon from there ? wouldn't that be the easy part ?
Originally posted by Noumenon
Plus, amateur ham radio people were listening live with their DIRECTIONAL antennas pointed at the moon and nowhere else.
As to why haven't we gone back, when the Shuttle was proposed there was also to be, with funding linked to it, an ORBITAL TRANSFER VEHICLE to bring the cost of moon shots way down. Congress, in its fiscal wisdom, decided to KEEP the shuttle and KILL the OTV program. This left us with a neat ship that had - nowhere to go. Thus the scramble for space stations. And thus the fear and loathing many true space buffs feel towards NASA and bureaucracy in general.
Give it up, ECK. Lots of good folks did research, both on the Moon program and, hmmm, here at ATS. Maybe your questions have actually been answered. Perhaps you are - gasp - wrong.
4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Originally posted by Noumenon
We should all probably realize (......) a great way to show the world our missile technology (....) cost more to actually fake it than DO it.
Howzat? Do you have any idea what the cost of the space program was for that year alone, as opposed to say, Kubrik's most expensive film budget to date?
The urge to DO it is just too strong to resist. Boys will be boys (.....) lets LIGHT that candle!
boys will be boys? Nope. Explain why no one else has done it. If your rationale was correct, Russia and China would've been right behind us. To date, NADA.
PsyOps is a MOFO.