Do You Disagree With Mr. President ?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I think Obama said it right:

LOL, that's exactly what Trump wants.

Well, why doesn't Trump ever propose such well thought out and logically based proposals for stopping illegal immigration?

All Trump ever does is scaremonger about Mexicans as a whole for cheap political points and rants on about a stupid expensive wall, which in reality will have very little effect on illegal immigration.

Perhaps this picture will put things in a more sensible and logical perspective for you?

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
which in reality will have very little effect on illegal immigration.

Do you lock your doors?

originally posted by: chr0naut

Yeah, look at all that empty desert.

They should probably build some dams, too, to hold back the flood waters.

If is funny that if you didn't have a door on your house it would hard to press someone for illegally entering, but if they went through the effort to get through a locked door then they are truly breaking the law.

DB

3P

a reply to: Xtrozero

If my house only had ONE wall with no others or a roof, then a locked door wouldn't mater.

Should we build a dome around the us so that we can lock our doors?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep


Should we build a dome around the us so that we can lock our doors?

Lets see what would be easier.. scaling a 30 foot wall or kicking your door in hmmm... You missed my point as it seems all you can see is one thing...

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think it would be easier to get a ladder and scale a wall rather then kick a door in.

But I don't have to scale it. I could just fly over it. Or be invited in and over stay .
or take a boat around it.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Skirting around is an option. But, the facts of the matter will be what nature drives.

Every single leftist in the entire country knows 100% that both Hillary and Obama campaigned on combatting illegal immigration.

They’re disgusting people

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

But I don't have to scale it. I could just fly over it. Or be invited in and over stay .
or take a boat around it.

The point is to stem the tide, and future ones. The few that get in we can handle, but when all of a sudden we get 1000s, or 10,000s at once then we have a problem. 100,000 people walking from the south will not have planes, boats, catapults, 40 food ladders...lol

We can't just round them up and drive them to the border saying better luck next time. They get picked up and they enter the system. It takes time to deport and in the mean time your tax dollars well over 100 billion per year (this is after deducting any taxes they create) pays for all this. Then people like you complain about the housing and care of 1000s at a time in our border States as their systems get overwhelmed.

A wall is one piece of a large puzzle not some be all thing... Just like your locked doors is one of many things including, alarm system, dog, neighborhood watch, police, prisons, gun ownership so on and so on... The wall would be no different.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Every single leftist in the entire country knows 100% that both Hillary and Obama campaigned on combatting illegal immigration.

They’re disgusting people

Not only then but all the major democrats in congress did too.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Every single leftist in the entire country knows 100% that both Hillary and Obama campaigned on combatting illegal immigration.

They’re disgusting people

Not only then but all the major democrats in congress did too.

Yep.

And every single leftist knows that. And they openly supported that.
They supported border control, they supported combatting illegal immigration.
Every. Single. One of them.

But now it’s 2018 and border control is suddenly ‘racist’.

They’re disgusting people

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Every single leftist in the entire country knows 100% that both Hillary and Obama campaigned on combatting illegal immigration.

They’re disgusting people

Obama and Hillary campaigned on stopping illegal immigration just like Trump.

The difference is that Obama and Hillary didn't try, several times, to block legal immigration.

Actions speak louder...

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

What ever puppet that graces the white house is bound to bow to the gift. Weak or strong they will always be percieved as crap. No reason to waste good meet.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
We can't just round them up and drive them to the border saying better luck next time. They get picked up and they enter the system. It takes time to deport and in the mean time your tax dollars well over 100 billion per year (this is after deducting any taxes they create) pays for all this.

See, this is something I don't understand. WHY can't we just round them up and drive them to the border. --Yes, I know, that's not the way the law is set up...but why not? Why do we have all this rigmarole to go through? In a sane world, it should be as simple as that--get caught sneaking over the border, get tossed back over the border.

originally posted by: riiver

originally posted by: Xtrozero
We can't just round them up and drive them to the border saying better luck next time. They get picked up and they enter the system. It takes time to deport and in the mean time your tax dollars well over 100 billion per year (this is after deducting any taxes they create) pays for all this.

See, this is something I don't understand. WHY can't we just round them up and drive them to the border. --Yes, I know, that's not the way the law is set up...but why not? Why do we have all this rigmarole to go through? In a sane world, it should be as simple as that--get caught sneaking over the border, get tossed back over the border.

See, this is where law is enforced. That is why our forefathers of this country gave good pen to paper in the declaration of independence. A wall will be but a funneling of worthy immigrants and a barrier to those the usa does not need.

The Op has asked, why those who voted for Clinton, if they supported his idea for a wall, what has changed.

It is a fair question that should get a fair answer:


I lived on the border for about 10 years. In that time what I saw was not control, but it forced people into the shadows, creating a virtual slave labor force in the US.

While I do agree that we should have control over our country, and at the same time those here should be documented, however, things are moving faster than what is expected, and a wall may not be the safety that we need.

When Ronald Regan was president, he would not have wanted a wall, rather he wanted to have good relations with our neighbors, not to put them ill at ease. He knew that in time we may need Mexico, as an ally, and to provide aid, as they have in the past.

Now back then there was the Soviet Union, with nuclear missiles pointed at the US. Then the Soviet Union ended, however the danger appeared to go away, but now there is a new threat that is showing up. Should there be a nuclear attack on the US, where would the people go? A wall would entrap people in, thus causing far more suffering than what should be.

Now as I stated, I do believe that we need to have control over who is and is not in the country, however, the immigration system is shot. Of all of the departments of the country, the one that is the poorest ran, the most underfunded is the immigration system. The fees are high, as that is what is keeping that department running. The courts are over burdened, where cases are left on the docket for years, before being heard. With very little to no representation for those seeking to stay, with little to no staff to make it run smoothly. The border patrol under staffed and it only gets worse and worse.

Then there is the actual cost of the wall. We only hear of the initial cost, never the ongoing cost that will be required. There are the areas, that a wall can not cross, and the proposed place of the wall, to by pass would cede US territory.

originally posted by: riiver
See, this is something I don't understand. WHY can't we just round them up and drive them to the border. --Yes, I know, that's not the way the law is set up...but why not? Why do we have all this rigmarole to go through? In a sane world, it should be as simple as that--get caught sneaking over the border, get tossed back over the border.

Well because they have an army of liberal lawyers telling them the magical words to say, plus what do you do with people who are not Mexican...

The other side is about 65% of illegals here are Mexican, so I don't see why they can not be deported instantly.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Every single leftist in the entire country knows 100% that both Hillary and Obama campaigned on combatting illegal immigration.

They’re disgusting people

Obama and Hillary campaigned on stopping illegal immigration just like Trump.

The difference is that Obama and Hillary didn't try, several times, to block legal immigration.

Actions speak louder...

Neither did President Trump

And if he did (he didn’t) how is blocking immigration from Sweden considered ‘racist’?