Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Corporatism is a centralized system... Since when are centralized systems right-wing?...

Since the term right-wing has been invented? Which is why I'm under the impression, that Stalinism was a branch of right wing fascism indeed. Lenin wasn't amused, I'd reckon.

Democracy is indispensable to socialism.

V. Lenin

Corporatism is "Monopolistic", and in a monopoly only one person, or group controls all, or certain resources.

Yeah, no. Monopolies are obviously the result, not the defining factor for corporatism.

If "corporatism" was right-wing, then why are the socialists in the UN wanting to implement a globalist system derived from corporate governance?

Corporations simply know how to run things, right? At least some of them. It's about the administrative qualities and progress to be made, given the actual NWO of neoliberal bollocks with all it's pollution and futile wars on everything.
And while our oligarch overlords might perceive their loss of power and influence as a certain form of oppression, that's simply how increasing equality looks like from the oppressors point of view.

Competition. Socialist and communists tend to fight with other branches of socialists and communists when their common enemies are destroyed or incarcerated.

So you saw Vikings as well? Poor socialists, we all know that Norway is a shi!hole country due to this barbaric "Thing thing" from our more tribal days. Or pretty much all of Europe for that matter?
Portugal is doing extremely well, I've heard. Isn't that a socialist leftwing administration decriminalizing drugs and all that? And what about Iceland not bailing out the banks and sticking to it's welfare state, is that another bad example for a socialist success story as well?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
The Nazis leaned towards socialism on the economy, but they leaned far right on social matters.

This is exactly correct. For example, they were against homosexuality, abortion, and prostitution. That sounds pretty right wing to me.

I'm pretty sure the Nazis were heavily INTO aborting Jew babies.


"Paging Doctor Mengele...Paging Doctor Mengele"

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
The Nazis leaned towards socialism on the economy, but they leaned far right on social matters.

This is exactly correct. For example, they were against homosexuality, abortion, and prostitution. That sounds pretty right wing to me.

I'm pretty sure the Nazis were heavily INTO aborting Jew babies.

Jews weren’t considered actual humans, thus they didn’t count. But non-Jewish Germans having abortions was a big no no.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
The Nazis leaned towards socialism on the economy, but they leaned far right on social matters.

This is exactly correct. For example, they were against homosexuality, abortion, and prostitution. That sounds pretty right wing to me.

I'm pretty sure the Nazis were heavily INTO aborting Jew babies.

Jews weren’t considered actual humans, thus they didn’t count.

I guess that would explain why the Nazis wouldn't allow them to eat in their restaurants and why they constantly harassed them wherever they and their families went.

Look, I agree this is all mostly true and basic common sense historical stuff....

But cmon guys, this is just basically a circle jerk now lol.
Don't get too arrogant.

Just going back the the original topic, Hitler was actually not actually right wing, but it doesn't really matter neither left nor right, as when you go to extreme ends of either political spectrum, you govern by turning people against the media and controlling it, dividing people and creating hatred towards your neighbor, marginalizing certain people in the population, instilling an unhealthy nationalism in your people, creating fear, governing through fear, over riding your countries constitution ect ... At the end of the day, far left and far right end up being the same thing as to how a population is controlled.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse


Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

His relationship with industrialists and the landed gentry were not right wing. No sir.

Supporting big business and protecting the privileges of the landed gentry have always been socialist ideas. No. Honest.

This is a very interesting thread on two levels.

First, it's an excellent example of the No True Scotsman fallacy. Define Nazism (or fascism) and socialism to suit your argument, then build an argument around your definition. Why worry about anything approaching a nuance?

Second, it's an excellent of cherry picking, intentionally or unintentionally. It ignores much of the Nazis' relationships with the churches, with industry, with finance, with privileged interests etc. It ignores much of the Nazis' own writings.

There are a lot of resources out there about the nature of fascism and the nature of socialism. There are a lot of tools out there to describe and map political ideologies. Sadly, these seem too complicated for a lot of people nowadays. That, or it's far easier to just repeat simplistic models presented to us by vested interests and TPB.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And it is Republicans now that didn't want LGBTQ+ equality, that doesn't view woman as "equal" etc

using political parties as morality justifications is moronic

It's absolutely incredible how #ing dumb ATS has become!

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An excellent OP... I've fought this battle before with liberal family members.

It makes them so mad it's like I took their slaves from them again...

S&F!

No, not an excellent op.

Get past your nonsense and realize what a propaganda professional Hitler was...


Hitler should not be remembered for anything other than what he was... a perfect public speaker with incredible stamina and public influence.

Hitler was the perfect propagandist.

Hitler being a master of propaganda has literally nothing to do with him being on the left or right side of the political spectrum.

Calling the OP nonsense is nonsense.

Hitler absolutely was a far left authoritarian socialist

He had HUGE amounts of soclist projects in the pipeline for his slave workers

He even built a 3 mile long holiday camp for workers

Probably 15 years ago the discovery channel had a number of good programs on hitlers socialist mega structures but I can’t find the videos anywhere but the link below is one of them

I wonder why history portrayed Hitler as far right? Probably because socialists in the allied countries could have been used as spies or will have refused to fight?

Remember during these times also all media was just as weaponised and propaganda as today politically

www.vantiques.nl...

Hitler was also a huge fan of Islam and Allah

Another worrying connection with today’s brown coat leftists

Very similar ideologies

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ALL EXISTS PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE ALL IS NOW AT THE SAME TIME CONNECTED THROUGHT THE TRUE INTERNET THE MEMORY OF THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. WE ARE ONLY SEEING A FRACTION OF IT.

THE EARTH IS A SPHERE IS A PHOTON TRAVELING IN A STRAIGHT LINE TOWARDS THE FUTURE STATIC AND UNCHANGING THAT IS WHY THERE IS A LOOP AND ONLY THE ILLUSION OF CHANGE IT IS LIKE A PHOTOGRAPH A HOLOGRAPHIC SPHERE REPRESENTING THE PRESENT SIMULTANEITY CAN ONLY EXIST IN RECORDS OR MOVIES OR VR OR AR AN OMEGA POOL WITH ENDLESSLY REPEATING DAYS TILL THINGS SETTLE DOWN ELSEWHERE AND SOME MINOR CHAT AND COMMUNICATION

IT IS LIKE A SEQUENCE OF FOTOS FLIPPING ONE AFTER ANOTHER

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GENERATES A LOT OF TROLLING

a reply to: ManFromEurope

So again, instead of showing how any of the policies mentioned in the op and which Hitler and the Nazis implemented are "right-wing," you simply want to claim that "you are a lunatic for not believing what I believe?..."

BTW, trust me, I have lost nothing in Germany. So you wouldn't catch me in your authoritarian regime you call a home.

If anyone is brainwashed is you for claiming anyone and everyone in the right in Germany sees Hitler as an idol... That tells me how brainwashed people like you truly are.

One more time... Instead of insulting me because you lack the intelligence to discuss a topic, "try" to discuss the points enumerated in the OP and which Nazi Germany implemented under Hitler...

originally posted by: XAnarchistX

And it is Republicans now that didn't want LGBTQ+ equality, that doesn't view woman as "equal" etc

using political parties as morality justifications is moronic

Wrong again... What Republicans/conservatives don't want is for a viewpoint to be forced upon them.

As for your claim that "Republicans/conservatives don't view women as equal" is false, and moronic...

originally posted by: kaylaluv

Jews weren’t considered actual humans, thus they didn’t count. But non-Jewish Germans having abortions was a big no no.

And the left today don't consider the human unborn as human. The left don't consider the unborn as evolving human beings, and instead the left claim the unborn are part of a woman's body, and as such in the minds of leftists it is more than okay to kill the unborn for any reason.

Heck, like the Nazis, the left care more about how chickens and cows live and are treated.

Animal welfare in Nazi Germany
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There was widespread support for animal welfare in Nazi Germany[1] among the country's leadership. Adolf Hitler and his top officials took a variety of measures to ensure animals were protected.[2] Many Nazi leaders, including Hitler and Hermann Göring, were supporters of animal rights and conservation. Several Nazis were environmentalists, and species protection and animal welfare were significant issues in the Nazi regime.[3] Heinrich Himmler made an effort to ban the hunting of animals.[4] Göring was a professed animal lover and conservationist,[5] who, on instructions from Hitler, committed Germans who violated Nazi animal welfare laws to concentration camps. In his private diaries, Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a vegetarian whose hatred of the Jewish and Christian religions in large part stemmed from the ethical distinction these faiths drew between the value of humans and the value of other animals; Goebbels also mentions that Hitler planned to ban slaughterhouses in the German Reich following the conclusion of World War II.
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Centralized systems are part of socialist and communist doctrine.

Conservatives and others in the U.S. who lean to the right in politics believe in less government power/control, not more.

Stalin was a communist. Neither communism nor socialism are "right-wing."

From wikipedia...

Stalinism
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Stalinism is the means of governing and related policies implemented from around 1927 to 1953 by Joseph Stalin (1878–1953). Stalinist policies and ideas as developed in the Soviet Union included rapid industrialization, the theory of socialism in one country, a totalitarian state, collectivization of agriculture, a cult of personality[1][2] and subordination of the interests of foreign communist parties to those of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, deemed by Stalinism to be the leading vanguard party of communist revolution at the time.[3]

Stalinism promoted the escalation of class conflict, utilizing state violence to forcibly purge society of the bourgeoisie, whom Stalinist doctrine regarded as threats to the pursuit of the communist revolution. This policy resulted in substantial political violence and persecution of such people.[4] "Enemies" included not only bourgeois people, but also working-class people with counter-revolutionary sympathies.[5]

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But go ahead and keep deluding yourself claiming Stalin was "right-wing" when he was a communist.

originally posted by: strongfp
You seriously comparing ghandi to Hitler?

Ghandi promoted non violent protests for civil rights and independence from colonization. Hitler promoted extermination, revisionism and complete control.

Gandhi didn't start being a pacifist, he was quite violent. I find it ironic how you try to claim that they only wanted "independence from colonization," when in fact they promoted the expulsion of everyone from India who was not Indian.

I don't agree with how the British treated the Indians, but the Indians didn't want anyone else living in their country. As for "civil rights" Hitler also brought Germans, those they believed were Aryans, civil rights that they were lacking since World World I.

I wasn't comparing Hitler to Gandhi. I was comparing the National Socialism that Gandhi envisioned with Hitler's National Socialism. Both of them only wanted who they saw as "their people" living in their countries, and both of them wanted to expel anyone who was not "their people."

National Socialist is exactly what the Nazi's were.
Nationalism: your country and it's citizens come before all others-Check
Socialist Idealogy: the redistribution of wealth via taxes, environmental fee's making most in society equal with the exception of the political class. In extreme cases it is just seized like the Nazi's did with all the undesirables within there reach. Or you could just be forced into service by the state as soldier or as war factory worker as labor life tax.
Almost all countries have some level of socialism, but it is community socialism in many cases for example, the roads in front of our houses are paid for by many different people via their taxes. If there is a member of the community living and hasn't paid taxes for whatever reason his driving experience is socialized by his neighbors.

I think the type of socialism people desire is one that keeps taxes to a minimum, and not spending money of stuff they don't agree with. We want fire, ambulance, police and garbage pick up in civilization, collectively we all need to pay into that.

What we don't need is trillions of dollars spent in Syria, Yeman, Iraq and Afghanistan trying to country build with people who don't want us there.

Back to the Nazi's they were the worst socialism can be, not sure what the best example of socialism is, if there is a country who does it right with low taxes and great services to their Citizens please let us know. One middle east country charges no taxes and gives it's citizens free university anywhere in the world, how is that for socialism. It uses it's oil money to help everybody.