Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You claimed the they banned hunting, they didn't. They introduced restrictions in it as you now acknowledge. Also concern for animal welfare is not a socialist concept. I think a number of right leaning members on this site would take offence at your suggestion.

The Nazis also lifted gun restrictions for the majority of the population. They removed gun rights from.some groups not because they where anti gun, but because they were anti those groups.

Your claim that they banned unearned income, you haven't offered any evidence to support this (I assume because you know there isn't any).

Von Mises basically saw anyone to the left of him as a socialist, he also left Austria in 34 so not exactly an eye witness.

Yes there were price controls in Germany, but it was basically a war economy from the mid 30s onwards. There were price controls & rationing in pretty much every country involved. Are you claiming they are all socialist?

Again you ignore the fact that Hitlers support came from right wing conservative groups both domestically and Internationally. Are you claiming those eye witnesses were are all wrong and you are right based on cherry picked (and as demonstrated inaccurate) examples?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

some of thats correct, some of thats skewed.
encouraged gun ownership and passed comprehensive animal protection laws.
i think you managed to insert the phrase concentration camp in there about 6 times.
everyone had a gun in the 30s
everyone shot game in the 30s

a reply to: 20MilVet10


"In summary, the ideologies of nazis, commies, and dems all inevitably yield the same end result, regardless of what they say their intentions are."

very concise.
so does this imply/is it because of-
mainstream ideologies all birthed in the same stable?
a function of psychology?
a natural order manifesting?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"I'll take the word of a Jewish economist, Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises"
well that sums it up really.
firstly you taking the word of an economist.
a bull# science
von mises institutrationalwiki.nom.pw...
also i dont really think you understand the euro history inter war.
or you have learned a revised version maybe.

Hitler was indeed left wing
You only have to look at the Jim Crow Laws vs. Nuremberg laws.

Jim Crow Laws where bought in by the Democrats party.
the racial segregation laws were copied word to word by Hitler except black changed to Jews.

There is transcripts of these Numremberg laws that appear in a book called Hitler’s American Model.

a reply to: amraks

Communism is the bankers system.

The first tool that is required in our investigator’s toolbox is to admit the very documented fact that the Bank of England, controlled by the Rothschild family, had been involved in the financing of the Nazis. It had become a common procedure for the rich European banking family to fund enemies as well as allies, in order to make profits from both sides of wars since Napoleon. The self-proclaimed French Emperor of the early 19th century had been hired as a proxy by Rothschild who wanted to impose his private central banks in the conquered countries. So, the heirs of the Rothschild family saw in Hitler their next Napoleon, who would submit rival colonial empires like Belgium, the Netherlands and France, as well as destroying the mighty USSR, in order to singlehandedly take the reins of the New World Order, which is simply the economical and political ruling of the whole planet by a handful of bankers. Even though the New World Order sounds like a supercharged conspiracy theory, it’s an indisputable and quite simple concept.

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originally posted by: ScepticScot


You claimed the they banned hunting, they didn't. They introduced restrictions in it as you now acknowledge. Also concern for animal welfare is not a socialist concept. I think a number of right leaning members on this site would take offence at your suggestion.

What in the world... Meanwhile I should have made specific that there were several forms of hunting that were BANNED, you still keep trying to claim they were restrictions, when they were bans and prohibitions.

Giving more value to animal lives than to human lives is a left-wing belief, it isn't a right-wing belief. It is another fact which shows Hitler and the Nazis in general were not Christian, since in Christianity humans are given more value than animals. God gave humans dominion over all animals.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The Nazis also lifted gun restrictions for the majority of the population. They removed gun rights from.some groups not because they where anti gun, but because they were anti those groups.

In communist regimes the same thing is done... In Venezuela Chavez and Maduro banned regular citizens from having firearms, but they armed Chavistas. In socialist/communist revolutions the same thing is done. Meanwhile taking away the right to arms of those who don't go along with "the revolution," those who are "socialist/communist revolutionaries" are allowed the keep arms and use them.

In Germany the nazis and Hitler armed the Germans who went along with the National Socialist program, meanwhile political opponents, like "social democrats," and minorities were denied firearms. All other nations, or part of nations the nazis invaded were banned from having firearms.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Your claim that they banned unearned income, you haven't offered any evidence to support this (I assume because you know there isn't any).

Hitler gave complete economic control to Goering, including control over businesses. I have shown how business control, price and wage control, etc was under complete control of the nazi government. Exactly how much people were paid, to whom products could be sold, by how much products could be sold etc. Since part of the policies of the nazi government included targeting unearned income, and puting it under government control for the "good of the collective", it's only logical that the nazis did as promised.

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Rise to Power
Denounced Versailles and Weimar gov.
German volk
Propaganda as weapon
Nazis targeted: unearned income of wealthy, war profits, power of large corporations, unfair taxes and speculators, jews as scapegoat
By 1932 seemed as if Nazis were losing popularity
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
Von Mises basically saw anyone to the left of him as a socialist, he also left Austria in 34 so not exactly an eye witness.

You mean how democrats have been claiming to not be "socialists," and all of a sudden we get several socialists elected by democrats and calling for socialism in the U.S.?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Yes there were price controls in Germany, but it was basically a war economy from the mid 30s onwards. There were price controls & rationing in pretty much every country involved. Are you claiming they are all socialist?

They weren't controlled in other countries as the nazis and Hitler controlled every aspect of business, wage/income control etc. Are you claiming all other countries were doing exactly the same things nazi Germany did?...

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Again you ignore the fact that Hitlers support came from right wing conservative groups both domestically and Internationally. Are you claiming those eye witnesses were are all wrong and you are right based on cherry picked (and as demonstrated inaccurate) examples?

Yes, Hitler did have support from "conservatives," but looking at the socialist policies implemented under Hitler/nazis, one has to wonder how "conservative" those people were. Not to mention, at one point Hitler got a little less than double the votes of the "communist party." Knowing how for about decade before Hitler got into power the left was gaining control to the point that "some socialism had to be introduced by the right", how many left-wingers also voted for Hitler?

Not to mention, how many democrats voted for Trump for POTUS? How many Republicans voted for JFK?

Just because Hitler got support from conservatives doesn't make his policies less socialist.

Below is an article on "National Health Care: Medicine in Germany, 1918-1945" by Marc S. Micozzi, M.D., Ph.D., a physician and anthropologist.

National Health Care: Medicine in Germany, 1918-1945

In it it is discussed how the socialist policies on healthcare and which "for the good of the collective" led to some of the worse programs we know nazi Germany embraced.

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The German social insurance and health care system began in the 1880s under Bismarck. Ironically, it was part of Bismarck’s “anti-socialist” legislation, adopted under the theory that a little socialism would prevent the rise of a more virulent socialism.
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Where traditional individual ethics and Christian charity had once stood, the reformers posited a collective ethic for the benefit of the general population. Private charity and welfare were nationalized. The mentally ill, for example, having been literally released from their chains in the nineteenth century and placed in local communities and boarding houses in regular contact with others (the so-called “moral therapy”), were returned to state institutions to become the ultimate victims of state “solutions.”
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Life Unworthy of Living

Following World War I there had been concern among some in Germany that the war had decimated the ranks of the qualified and strong while weak, unqualified, and inferior people had been spared. Many felt that scant resources should not be wasted on the sick and suffering. The philosophy of the unimportance of the individual in favor of the people (das Volk) led to the belief that individuals who had become “worthless, defective parts” had to be “sacrificed or discarded.”
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Whether you want to admit it or not, Hitler/the nazi policies were socialist in nature and not "right-wing."

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

some of thats correct, some of thats skewed.
encouraged gun ownership and passed comprehensive animal protection laws.
i think you managed to insert the phrase concentration camp in there about 6 times.
everyone had a gun in the 30s
everyone shot game in the 30s

Wrong... Millions of Germans were denied the right to bear arms. Other nations invaded by Germany were also denied the right to arms.

There is a thread posted months ago which showed how Maduro, President of Venezuela, was arming Chavistas meanwhile the rest of the population in Venezuela were/are disarmed. In there some of us posted articles showing how Maduro was arming Chavistas meanwhile the rest of the population are disarmed. This is what happens in socialist/communist regimes, and nazi Germany was no different.

Venezuela: Armed Chavistas “Welcome” Opposition Leader at Airport
by Friends of TFC • September 11, 2016

Venezuela (PanAm) – Opposition Blames President Maduro for Uprising and Violence on the Island

Armed crowds reportedly detained Opposition Leader Henrique Capriles for more than four hours at the airport on Venezuela’s Margarita Island this week.

Capriles, who travels every year to the island to commemorate the day of the Virgen del Valle, was detained by an armed group of government supporters that surrounded the airport to prevent him from leaving. At noon, the governor was finally able to get out.

Meanwhile, the Island’s governor blamed President Nicolás Maduro for the violence that arose there.

“Maduro sent me to the airport with armed groups in Margarita,” he said on Twitter, “which beleaguered passengers, children, everyone. I hold him responsibility for what happened.”
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
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Again you ignore the fact that Hitlers support came from right wing conservative groups both domestically and Internationally. Are you claiming those eye witnesses were are all wrong and you are right based on cherry picked (and as demonstrated inaccurate) examples?

Actually you are wrong. For example, the support for Hitler in the U.S. came overwhelmingly from "the progressives of the time, alongside the progressives of Hollywood."

American Progressives Inspired Hitler (and Vice Versa)

Hollywood helped Adolf Hitler with Nazi propaganda drive, academic claims

originally posted by: ScepticScot

You claimed the they banned hunting, they didn't. They introduced restrictions in it as you now acknowledge.
...

Could you care to point out "where" I acknowledge your above claim?... i posted several articles that specifically mention bans and prohibitions on hunting... Yet you keep calling them "restrictions..."

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler was a left wing socialist?

I imagine all the commies and socialists he put in concentration camps and murdered loved him

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Exactly.

a reply to: Willtell

He is right of communism but not right wing. He's still on the socialist scale just like Richard Spencer here in the USA.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler was a left wing socialist?

I imagine all the commies and socialists he put in concentration camps and murdered loved him

Just as much as all the socialists that fidel castro ordered people like Camilo Cienfuegos (who was a socialist) to detain and execute all socialists who were complaining that the castro brothers were allowing communists into the "socialist revolution."

Just as much as Stalin "loved" Lenin and Trotksy to the point that he ordered their execution, and Trotsky himself wrote, before he was murdered, that the attempts on his life were being done under orders of Stalin who happened to be communist too, but believed in "communism in one nation."

Ironic how people like you ignore these facts. Socialists and communists have fought amongst themselves time and again and have committed atrocities against people of other "socialist or communist branches."

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

" Millions of Germans were denied the right to bear arms"

source?

chavez/south america is not evidence for 30s germany.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Actually you are wrong. For example, the support for Hitler in the U.S. came overwhelmingly from "the progressives of the time, alongside the progressives of Hollywood."

"Progressivism is the support for or advocacy of improvement of society by reform.[1] As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.
The meanings of progressivism have varied over time and from different perspective"
en.wikipedia.org...

you are revising past events into the modern political context.
it just muddies the water for all.
i dont think its your intention its just the way history gets cobbled together by the winners.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Like the left is doing today, the nazis implemented a policy that would shut down newspapers that dared "transgress against the common welfare." Today the left calls it "fake news" and combating right-wing extremism by suppressing anyone who dares not be "left-wing."

I'm sure it was the Great Left Wing Leader Donald Trump who popularised that phrase...

a reply to: Willtell

Contrary to post-war propaganda, it was not the nazis who terrorized germany prior to 1933, but the far left they and their socialist party allies waged a campaign of violence, terrorism, armed uprising, forgery, subversion, and espionage from 1918 to 1933.
violent attacks on ordinary Germans forced the Nazis to develop their self-defense units, the Brownshirts who are nowadays quite falsely portrayed as the aggressors.
Communist conspiracy to create a 1918-style Bolshevik Revolution in germany was very far advanced.
arms had been stockpiled in secret underground armories in the communist party headquarters. Bombings, assassinations, and a planned list of murders and street violence were already underway when the Reichstag arson—also now commonly falsely attributed to the Nazis—took place as part of their plan to create a soviet germany.

"The Antifa movement in the U.S. is a return to the communist paramilitary riot tactics developed to fight the Brownshirts of the Weimar Republic. The goal was to terrorize middle-class Germans into rejecting the Nazis who had embraced the social-welfare programs of prior regimes. Today, few except professional historians realize Germany was the first country in the world to introduce government-funded universal healthcare. This was part of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck’s “anti-socialist” legislation, adopted under the theory that a little socialism would prevent the German people from embracing a more virulent form of socialism"

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originally posted by: Assemble
I dunno, all this left and right stuff.

Nazi's were basically racists. So what they did was adopt any policy that would win them votes. In this case, it was 'leftist', 'socialist' policies.

But none of that really mattered, they just wanted racism. Am I right?

I'd agree with that. National Socialism was a right wing take on left wing concepts, from Wikipedia on Nazi Germany...

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxistconcept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.

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The same article shows it was a far-right movement and that they hated Liberal Democracy...

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/), is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed. Its extreme nationalism came from Pan-Germanism and the Völkisch movementprominent in the German nationalism of the time, and it was strongly influenced by the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged after Germany's defeat in World War I, from which came the party's "cult of violence" which was "at the heart of the movement."[

So not really Left at all, just perverting the ideas of the left...

Then why do we have right-wingers on ATS being sad they cannot move Democrats, Black Lives Matter supporters, Anti-Fascists, Illegal Aliens, certain Entertainers, as well as Gay people, Lesbians, Transgender people, Bisexual people, and Queer people, into concentration camps? The person who said that had "Team Trump" set as his mood,

ElectricUniverse, care to comment?