CEOs vs Workers Town Hall

a reply to: Bluntone22

Yes it is morally right to pay employees a wage that satisfies all labor laws required by the state and federal government.

you answered a question I didn't ask

still your turn

a reply to: toysforadults

This was your question.


"Do you think it's morally right for someone to pay someone else poverty wages while they profit billions? "

I said yes it is.
Governments set standards for employment.
If those standards are met there is no moral dilemma.

a reply to: Edumakated

I know how business's work I'm in sub contracting for a construction company no need for the run down, I fully understand risk and reward and what it means to lose and what it means to win

I still don't pay my employee's # wages it's the risk I take, I need them to produce quality products at a reasonable pace and that's part of the risk equation

that their relatively small profit margins seems like a lot of money

when you're potentially one of the richest families in America this is complete and utter horsecrap and you know it just as well as I do. I know you read it in a book and you think it makes sense but it's factually incorrect. they are POCKETING billions and billions and billions of dollars while my tax money subsidized their employees

personally I think we should cut the subsidies and no one will work for these greedy pricks anymore, that's how I solve the problem

there is no upward limit on what a company should make, but it's morally wrong to put people in slavery

let me ask you again, do you think slavery was the fault of the slaves?

I'm going to assume that you don't think so based on your posting history (which I would normally never bring up)

a reply to: Bluntone22

Governments set standards for employment. If those standards are met there is no moral dilemma.

so the government is how you gauge morality??? total cop out

a reply to: toysforadults

You will never get anywhere with them. Their religion is capitalism because it saved them.

If you don't believe what they believe you are just too lazy, incompetent or must want something for nothing.

They are elitists living in their own protective bubble and you are trying to burst it. They can't give up their faith in what saved them.

It is true that they are completely out of touch with reality but you will never convince them. What might convince them? Nothing short of an act of God.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Bluntone22

Governments set standards for employment. If those standards are met there is no moral dilemma.

so the government is how you gauge morality??? total cop out

I think abortion is ending a child life and I have all kinds of moral issues with that.
The government says my moral standards on the subject are irrelevant.
My moral standards about employment are the same. Irrelevant.
Society sets standards.

a reply to: Isurrender73

I'm not doing so bad myself however I'm also not blind to the system and what it's create. I also believe in morality above profit, which apparently doesn't matter to some.

F*** it let's get some slaves!! it doesn't matter anyway those losers can't break out of their mental prisons and kill me so they deserve it

isn't that the same logic??

a reply to: Bluntone22

I think abortion is ending a child life and I have all kinds of moral issues with that.

so the government is your moral arbiter when it's convenient and when it's not it's not? i see, so if abortion can benefit you somehow then it's ok?

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: toysforadults

You will never get anywhere with them. Their religion is capitalism because it saved them.

If you don't believe what they believe you are just too lazy, incompetent or must want something for nothing.

They are elitists living in their own protective bubble and you are trying to burst it. They can't give up their faith in what saved them.

It is true that they are completely out of touch with reality but you will never convince them. What might convince them? Nothing short of an act of God.

I'm also not trying to win them over to "my side" but I bet there's a few people who read this on the fence and this may help them think about the topic more, plus it's fun

a reply to: toysforadults

Totally not what I said.
But whatever.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Isurrender73

I'm not doing so bad myself however I'm also not blind to the system and what it's create. I also believe in morality above profit, which apparently doesn't matter to some.

F*** it let's get some slaves!! it doesn't matter anyway those losers can't break out of their mental prisons and kill me so they deserve it

isn't that the same logic??

Yes slavery is the same logic as not paying a fair wage. Perpetrated by the same brand of Narcissistic Elitists. They have much more in common with slave owners than humanity.

Just remember less than 25% of the population is actually doing well. And out of the 25% there are many who agree with you and I.

What the one's who don't agree keep failing to understand is Elitism always leads to Socialism. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

As long as you are entertained have fun. I find it more like beating my head against the wall at this point. Lol

a reply to: Isurrender73

Just for kicks, what would you prefer over capitalism?

a reply to: Isurrender73

I agree, i'm actually all in on a voluntary free market system but that system cannot exist at the detriment to society only for the benefit of the few

we need a balanced eco system and I'm not talking about just the earth I mean a health culture who's fixation isn't on what monkey can acquire the most banana's

we need a bigger idea, a better mythology

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Isurrender73

Just for kicks, what would you prefer over capitalism?

I would prefer the workers be properly represented by forming collectives that look nothing like modern unions. Let's call it Socialism light.

A working class that demands a fair share of revenue. 1% taking over 50% of the wealth is not fair wages. An idea, or the one who is good at marketing is not more valuable than the plethora of employees it takes to make the ideas come to fruition and deliver products to the market.

In Professional Sports the athletes recieve between 50-60% of revenue while the owners take what's left and pay all the bills. I would call that the beggining of fair.

a reply to: Bluntone22

yes you did

YOU

Governments set standards for employment.
If those standards are met there is no moral dilemma.

then I said

ME

so the government is how you gauge morality???

then you said

YOU

I think abortion is ending a child life and I have all kinds of moral issues with that.

so which is it? is the government your moral arbiter or not?

see, with a clearly defined set of principles this wouldn't be a problem

a reply to: Isurrender73

Does such a system exist anywhere in the world at this time?
If so I will check it out.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Isurrender73

Does such a system exist anywhere in the world at this time?
If so I will check it out.

It's never been tried to my knowledge, outside of the example I gave regarding professional sports.

But it wasn't that long ago that the athletes took such power from the owners. Athletes have long been exploited for profits. But some of them went to college and got educated and things began to change.

a reply to: Isurrender73

see this is where i differ from everyone

I don't think a system can solve the problem because fundamentally humans are the problem. The way we solve this problem is by having a better mythology and not this financial wealth rules the day paradigm

by creating better people we solve the problem not by changing the system, any system will fail when broken people run it

a reply to: Isurrender73

Bull, the guy cleaning toilets at the arena is getting crap from the athletes.
Their contracts only cover their own butts.

a reply to: toysforadults

My moral choices are ultimately irrelevant in the matter.
Believe what you want but our government does make the rules on labor.