Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018

originally posted by: trollz
Good, it's time we get these literal terrorists off the streets. Anyone who conceals their identity in an attempt to get away with physically attacking others for the sake of political agendas (or any reason, really) deserves to be in prison.

Terrorism - the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

originally posted by: Aazadan
So you don't believe in a right to anonymity when practicing controversial speech?

Wow, that was pretty desperate.
Concealing your identity in an attempt to get away with physically attacking someone is completely different than using anonymity to practice free speech. You know it and so does everyone else.
Try harder.

a reply to: trollz

Why? If it's illegal to attack someone, why is doing it anonymously more illegal? Your comment sounded like you were against anonymity in general.

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: toms54

I hope so too. If you want to protest, do it peacefully. Otherwise, go to jail. Something everyone can agree on.

Although I agree with that in general, would the United States even exist if our founders only protested peacefully?

Neither would the Soviet Union, and the Bolsheviks. It cuts both ways.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: trollz

Why? If it's illegal to attack someone, why is doing it anonymously more illegal? Your comment sounded like you were against anonymity in general.

Because we as a society need to make sure that we are able to uphold law and order. If we can't prosecute anyone for crimes simply because we have no way of knowing who they are, then we're doing something wrong. There does, of course, need to be a balance to the system - anonymity is perfectly fine and all, but if you're using it with the intention of committing a crime and evading the justice system, then you should face even harsher punishment for your actions... Kindof like if a cop pulls you over for drunk driving and you refuse to give him your ID in the hopes he won't be able to figure out who you are.

tl:dr;
Anonymity is good for free speech (or life in general).
Anonymity is bad when used to commit crimes.
People using anonymity to commit crimes are making their crimes more serious.
Physically attacking someone is a crime.
Physically attacking someone to stifle their legally-held political views is terrorism.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude

As I said, I don't 100% agree with antifa's tactics. At the same time though we shouldn't really be surprised at their emergence. The past few decades have shown that all peaceful protest gets you is a boot on the back of your neck.

So now that people are standing up to such corruption the government wants everyone to play nice? Absolutely laughable.

I certainly don't want to see innocent people get hurt. But the government demanding peace when they've been responding with violence is hypocritical at best.

^^^
Best example of leftists mental gymnastics I've seen all week...

First you advocate violence than spend the next 3 pages trying to salvage your moral high ground.
Nice!

a reply to: trollz

We can't prosecute crimes when we know who people are as it is. That's why we pile on charges and create plea deals which obtan guilty verdicts without any proof.

Maybe we should get the courts running efficiently before we start adding more crimes for them to handle.

a reply to: Aazadan

We can't prosecute crimes when we know who people are as it is. That's why we pile on charges and create plea deals which obtan guilty verdicts without any proof.

Unfortunately this is 100% true

The legal system was never meant to be like this

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Variable7

I guessed you missed posts by the person with current specific laws regarding violent acts wearing a mask. Nobody cares if people are peaceful protesting with masks on. The issue is with Antifa wearing masks to hide identities while committing intimidation, violence, and acts of vandalism.

so what you’re saying is some masked crimes are acceptable like the kkk antifas new and can’t have more than 1% of the vandalism, murder or intimidation the clan and/or neo nazis have if we’re picking and choosing which evil we want to see then be my guest.
The law is ignorant to the current climate all our house and senators have faceless donors. Faceless protest just makes since.

A lot of the violence is antagonized by law enforcement, city reps, counter protest etc etc

A rather short sighted view IMO. Doing something like making a law which is oppressive to the extent of this law, once, becomes easy to do a second and then successive times.

When you realise that one of the ways in which they keep society divided and controlled is to segment out of the population a target group whom they then demonise and vilify which usually has the affect of getting the popular support to enable the govt to pass laws which are supposed to apply only to that subgroup but which in fact when the law comes out actually applies to everyone.

These same people could quite easily segment out a section of the population for the above treatment which might include you depending on what your interests etc are.

here are some subgroups that have been processed in this way in my country.

Fixated persons
Bikies
street gangs
Fine evaders
Tax evaders
drug dealers
perverts

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

It demonstrates the level headedness of the right overall. Sure there are some crazies, but mostly they are intelligent and well-reasoned people. It's naive and ignorant of world history to think we don't need guns to protect again both the future prospects of a foreign enemy and a tyrannica domesticl government. The need for armed citizens will arise at some point in the probably distant future in one capacity or another.

The "distant future" has arrived. Our military is supposed to be controlled by the civilian government. This cabinet has several generals in it. The cabinet also contains civilians who have pledged to destroy the departments they head. The president lacks a popular mandate, yet his party now controls all three branches of government. For years, the right has been warning about a "left wing coup." Guess what? The coup is here and it came from the right.

In your depiction of this distant future I suspect we will have encountered another "big switch".

a reply to: Aazadan

No, just against the loser cowards who hide behind anonymity to attack innocent Americans merely exercising their right to free speech.

Disgusting commies. They should play a game of swallow the stuff under the sink. I'll buy the Drain-o

Socialism/communism: the practice of deluding yourself into believing you're owed something merely by breathing.

...and I hate that my tax dollars are sustaining these anti-American ANTIFA traitors. I wouldn't let my dog relieve herself on one of them if they were on fire.

a reply to: Azureblue

You forgot another group: owners of machine-guns and other military spec hardware.

Singled out for the very first time in the 1930's. Despicable treasonous cowards infringing on the Constitution with a then-subservient population allowing it to happen.

May those responsible never rest in peace. Those traitors make me sick.

a reply to: Aazadan
Your an idiot and extrapolated some BS I never implied. Typical leftist. I reread my statement and I never implied that if my candidate did not win I would support armed resistance. But if communists infiltrate and try to change our constitution then grounds for action may be warranted.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: toms54

Antifa wear black outfits also.

We going arrest people for having black t-shirts?


There are already laws against attacking people. Whether or not they are wearing a mask seems superfluous, to me.

Masks is not a problem, when someone is actually arrested the mask comes off, but cops stand by in many cities and do not arrest. I don't see this doing a damn thing unless federal interaction is there and that is scarier. Enforce the laws already on the books and we are good.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Azureblue

You forgot another group: owners of machine-guns and other military spec hardware.

Singled out for the very first time in the 1930's. Despicable treasonous cowards infringing on the Constitution with a then-subservient population allowing it to happen.

May those responsible never rest in peace. Those traitors make me sick.

well yes; I did leave out guns because they took them off us in 1996 when they conspired against the people and shot 20+ people in Tasmania and then blamed it on 29 year old bloke with an intellectual capacity of a 12 year old.

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

It demonstrates the level headedness of the right overall. Sure there are some crazies, but mostly they are intelligent and well-reasoned people. It's naive and ignorant of world history to think we don't need guns to protect again both the future prospects of a foreign enemy and a tyrannica domesticl government. The need for armed citizens will arise at some point in the probably distant future in one capacity or another.

The "distant future" has arrived. Our military is supposed to be controlled by the civilian government. This cabinet has several generals in it. The cabinet also contains civilians who have pledged to destroy the departments they head. The president lacks a popular mandate, yet his party now controls all three branches of government. For years, the right has been warning about a "left wing coup." Guess what? The coup is here and it came from the right.

In your depiction of this distant future I suspect we will have encountered another "big switch".

Please pay attention. The "distant future" is our present.

Oh, sorry. It wasn't much to pay attention, so I dazed out.

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
Oh, sorry. It wasn't much to pay attention, so I dazed out.

Apathy is enabling.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: DJW001

Yeah how dare he use his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT and voice a differing opinion.

So what exactly was his crime that makes you cheer the fact he was almost murdered?

When you see an angry mob headed your way the wise thing to do is get out of the way. Instead, this idiot chose to antagonize it. Antagonize, because calm, rational discourse with an angry mob is impossible. The immediate prelude has been edited out, but it is safe to assume he was hurling racial/misogynistic epithets. ANTIFA is wrong to be acting violently, but I have about as much sympathy for the aggressive "Trump supporter" as I have for the idiots who get mauled trying to take selfies with grizzly bears.

Funny how some people conflate verbal violence with "voicing a different opinion." ANTIFA members should be prosecuted for vandalism, not their politics. The proposed amendment stirs politics into the mix.

What a load of BS. Stay away from the mob in case you get hurt. That's your message. Jeez.
Antifa are a fascist terrorist organisation and need to be stopped.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: DJW001

Yeah how dare he use his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT and voice a differing opinion.

So what exactly was his crime that makes you cheer the fact he was almost murdered?

When you see an angry mob headed your way the wise thing to do is get out of the way. Instead, this idiot chose to antagonize it. Antagonize, because calm, rational discourse with an angry mob is impossible. The immediate prelude has been edited out, but it is safe to assume he was hurling racial/misogynistic epithets. ANTIFA is wrong to be acting violently, but I have about as much sympathy for the aggressive "Trump supporter" as I have for the idiots who get mauled trying to take selfies with grizzly bears.

Funny how some people conflate verbal violence with "voicing a different opinion." ANTIFA members should be prosecuted for vandalism, not their politics. The proposed amendment stirs politics into the mix.

What a load of BS. Stay away from the mob in case you get hurt. That's your message. Jeez.
Antifa are a fascist terrorist organisation and need to be stopped.

When you see an angry mob, taunt it. That's your message? Go for it!