Stay out of ALL 501c churches - they are infected with the spirit of the antichrist !

a reply to: Raggedyman

the bible itself teaches that the Jews rejected the messiah, it wasn't me who made that up. Romans 9 teaches us that very clearly

Do you distinguish the difference between Israel (the 12 tribes) and Judah ? The term Jews was given to the returning Tribe of Judah post Babylon . You have to go back to the pre Assyrian invasion to have the Nation called Israel which were known as the Hebrew people . Modern Judaism the religion is post exile post 1st century . It was probably the main point of contention Jesus had with the Pharisees who made the word of God of none effect with their traditions of man . Those traditions started being codified post Christ and is what Judaism is based on today . The Tanakh which is not the Torah or the old testament of our modern day Bibles .

a reply to: Raggedyman

I agree. As a group, Jews did reject Christ. They still do.

But if any individual Jewish person wants to believe on Christ, who am I to discourage them?

As for the questions you raise about Mosaic law, I don't know exactly what the details of her faith are. She doesn't appear to have said anything that contradicts what I believe.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Raggedyman

the bible itself teaches that the Jews rejected the messiah, it wasn't me who made that up. Romans 9 teaches us that very clearly

Do you distinguish the difference between Israel (the 12 tribes) and Judah ? The term Jews was given to the returning Tribe of Judah post Babylon . You have to go back to the pre Assyrian invasion to have the Nation called Israel which were known as the Hebrew people . Modern Judaism the religion is post exile post 1st century . It was probably the main point of contention Jesus had with the Pharisees who made the word of God of none effect with their traditions of man . Those traditions started being codified post Christ and is what Judaism is based on today . The Tanakh which is not the Torah or the old testament of our modern day Bibles .

When we see traditions of man in the NT, I understand that to mean beliefs codified in the Talmud. Not all of the Talmud but the parts which contradict scripture as a Christian would understand it.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

That's a valid question Woodie, it all comes down to Jesus.
I don't believe the bible is perfect, just perfect enough to teach it's about faith in Jesus and loving others and living those actions
It's never been about the church, it's a heart thing
Everybody knows how a Christian should act, what is true and what is false
If they don't know, it's easily explained

How should a christian act, as opposed to how should an atheist act?

a reply to: toms54

When we see traditions of man in the NT, I understand that to mean beliefs codified in the Talmud. Not all of the Talmud but the parts which contradict scripture as a Christian would understand it.

Are you familiar with Micheal Hoffman's work ?

a reply to: Woodcarver

How should a christian act, as opposed to how should an atheist act?

It may boil down to a difference between being transformed and being conformed .Either of which can mirror the other .Both the good and the bad aspects .Or sin and righteousness . The language differs because of the spiritual and carnal differences .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: toms54

When we see traditions of man in the NT, I understand that to mean beliefs codified in the Talmud. Not all of the Talmud but the parts which contradict scripture as a Christian would understand it.

Are you familiar with Micheal Hoffman's work ?

no

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

How should a christian act, as opposed to how should an atheist act?

It may boil down to a difference between being transformed and being conformed .Either of which can mirror the other .Both the good and the bad aspects .Or sin and righteousness . The language differs because of the spiritual and carnal differences .

I’m sorry, did you answer my question?

a reply to: Woodcarver

I’m sorry, did you answer my question?

Probably not . Are you avoiding my questions ?

How would I know what an atheist considers acceptable, still understanding what some Christians find is acceptable
You would have to explain the atheist moral standards first
a reply to: Woodcarver

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

I didn’t say that. I think you quoted someone else.

Sorry ..yes I did . But back to what you did say

It all looks fake to me, i don’t see any validity to it. From the outside, i see the infighting. Christians argue about what the bible says, because the bible contradicts itself so much. Just wondering how some of you discern the one’s who have it right from those who have it wrong.

I had asked how you discern which scientific opinion or historical opinion is true because we see the same sort of debates and discussions happening in those studies . Do you think it all looks fake as well because of the differing opinions about the data ? Do you chose one set of data over another set to derive at your believe about those studies ? How do you decide which camp to chose ? Is all science believable to you and are all history books believable to you ? "Professor Stephen Hawking's final theory: The universe is a hologram " www.telegraph.co.uk...

We would have to talk about individual theories and the reasons they are proposed.

Not every theory is accepted as truth though. There are many theories that are simply a collection of observations.

No body who reads and understands science accepts that every theory should be taken at face value. Many are just tossed out there as hypotheses with little more than some math to back them up. They are not accepted as truth, merely possibilities that need to be explored. If the observations don’t match up, they are booted and replaced by the new observations.

Ideas like string theory, holographic universe, big bang, dark matter, and many more, are not to be considered facts. They are all considered strong theories. That is to say, that the reasons they are proposed are based on observations, but that we know that we don’t have all of the information to explain them in full detail. That is what science does. It takes in a lot of information, and then tosses anything out that doesn’t explain what we see.

The real problem with scientific literacy, is the reporting of new findings. Most reporters and journalists have no scientific literacy and they try to explain things with metaphors and layman terms. Not to leave out those who would intentionally misinterpret those items for their own gain or to support their woo or pseudoscience. (What the bleep do we know)

I replied to her and asked a question. You are a different person
If you have an issue I am happy to explain my position
I am under Christ’s covenant not the covenant offered to Moses

a reply to: toms54

My church is the woods or anywhere out in nature. There is less distraction out in nature, even picking wild blueberries a person can discuss things with the supreme consciousness.

Remember, Jesus went into the wilderness or up on the mountain to hook up with god.

Nature is a creation of god. Churches are a creation of man. I am not against churches, I just see that many have become something that god would not approve of.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
How would I know what an atheist considers acceptable, still understanding what some Christians find is acceptable
You would have to explain the atheist moral standards first
a reply to: Woodcarver

There is no atheist moral standards. Atheism is not a designation of a moral view. It is simply the opposing view to those who believe in gods. It’s like asking what the moral view is for someone who doesn’t believe in unicorns.

I think of myself as a humanitarian. I want what is best for everyone, and i think that caring about others and treating people fairly is the way to go. Not all atheists think the same way, but then, how many christians hurt people every day?

Saying you are christian or you are atheist, says nothing about how you treat people.

a reply to: toms54

There are some good audio video files online and some very good interviews . His main work was banned from Amazon but there seems to be some free PDF files aviable . quote from kindle

Judaism Discovered represents painstaking research based on rigorous examination of all available exegetical sources. Deconstructing the rabbinic texts line by line, Michael Hoffman has discovered a terra incognita: Orthodox Judaism as the ideological survival of the most ossified traditions of Babylonian paganism, concealed beneath a complex system of dissimulation and misdirection. His unsparing thesis is a radical challenge to Judaism's claims to Biblical provenance and probity. Hoffman brings to this difficult task...a commitment to long years of personal study and research that will commend this work to all serious readers...I have found his scholarship to be a highly accurate reflection of both the spirit and the content of Talmudic writings... Robert Countess, PhD., Professor Emeritus of New Testament, Tennessee State University PARTIAL LIST OF CONTENTS: Rabbinic hatred for the am ha-aret; Hatred for heretics; Censorship; Judaism and America; Decoy texts; The Principal Sources of the Divine Law of the Religion of Orthodox Judaism; The Rabbinic Eras; Deceit Mechanism; Hermeneutic of Concealment; Power Over the Court System; Non-negotiable Rabbinic Dogma; The Tarnish on Hillel's Golden Rule ; Self-Perpetuating Legal and Textual Arcana; Falsifying Scripture with Gezara Shava; A Hedge Around the Law; Permissible Dissimulation through Dispensational Revelation; Self-Worship; Masoretic Text Falsifies the Bible; Tyranny and Priestcraft; Hold Back Your Children from Higayon; Dead Fetish Ritual: The Torah Scrolls; The Talmud -
A Lawyer's Book; From Kabbalah to Aggadah: A Sexual Progression; Pagan Reincarnation Dogma in Orthodox Judaism; Hasidic Paganism; Sex Magic Part II; Goddess Worship in Judaism; Kiddush Levanah: Worship of the Moon; The Kabbalistic Renaissiance; False Messiah Syndrome; Inferiority of Gentiles; Jesus in the Talmud; Halacha of Mesirah; Chabad-Lubavitch; Critics of Judaism smeared as Esau; Halachos of Manslaughter; Divine Mandate to Kill Christians; Maimonides and Islam; Noachide Hoax; Rabbinic Texts: Virulent Source of Anti-Black Racism; Maimonides and Kabbalah; Kaparot: The Sin Chicken; The Falsified Schindler's List Quote; Non-Jews are Supernal Refuse; Cursing the homes and graves of gentiles; Images and Talismans; Ariel Toaff's suppressed history of ritual murder; Martin Luther and Immanuel Kant; Johann Reuchlin; Sodomy in the Synagogue ; Molestation of Infants in the Circumcision Rite (Bris); A Homo-Erotic Culture; Rabbinic Hatred of Women; Phariseeism Begins in Menstrual Blood; Inside the Menstrual Science of the Rabbis;
The X-Rated Talmud; The Rabbinic Penchant for Spinning Tall Tales; Judaism and Kabbalah: An Inseparable Unity; Pulsa D'nura curse; The Golem of Prague; The Maharal Judah Loew and John Dee; The Secret of Purim; Judaic Opposition to Judaism; Moses Hess and the Covert Relationship between Judaism, Zionism and Communism; Judaism and Abortion; Converts and Conversions; Yom Tov: Holy Days and Observances; The Hanukkah Hoax; The Hebrew Calendar; Pesach (Passover); The Ninth of Av (Tisha B’Av); Totalitarian Obligation to Obey the Rabbis in All Things; Rosh Hashanah; Shabbos; Kosher (Kashrut) Food Racket; Business Ethics; Yom Kippur: The Kol Nidrei Nullification of Vows; Temple Mount Kotel Hoax; The Talmudic Mentality; Russian Petition to Classify the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch as Hate Literature; Index.

I love it, awesome bro
So let’s tolk covenants of Moses not tribes
I have no idea how what you are saying is relevant to Christ’s covenant to the Mosaic covenant
Did the Hebrews have a covenant for the northern tribes and another for the ...forget it I am just baiting you
a reply to: the2ofusr1
Point
Christianity. New covenant
Israel. Old covenant

Read your bible

I know
That was my point
Stalin Mao Pol Pot Jesus
Jesus said killing was wrong

I have atheist friends who are better than Christians
But
There are atheists who think of humans as animals needing to be culled
I am asking not tellling
a reply to: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I know
That was my point
Stalin Mao Pol Pot Jesus
Jesus said killing was wrong

I have atheist friends who are better than Christians
But
There are atheists who think of humans as animals needing to be culled
I am asking not tellling
a reply to: Woodcarver

There are also christians who treat people in terrible ways. So, my question is, why be a christian? It serves no purpose, and gives no advantage. It doesn’t make you better, stronger, or able to control yourself. It’s kind of a false promise.

Also, there is no way to verify that any of it is valid.

a reply to: Woodcarver

(What the bleep do we know)

Its the same kind of game that goes on in Christianity . Some do it for the love and some do it for the $$$ . Some get it closer to the truth then others while some go off the deep end and are labeled heretics . Similar to the label as pseudoscience . One of the biggest problems we have is not having a open mind that what we know may not be so . We all love our dogmas it seems or are terrified of loosing one of our core beliefs and suffering a wreck .

Maybe it just comes down to being comfortable with the trust we have in what we believe . For ever error I hang on to ,takes up a place of a better truth . I am comfortable in perusing the truth . Finding errors in the Bible is quite exciting .Finding my own errors is transforming .

Jesus said killing was wrong. People are His image we are not not animals. How did you miss that, oh of course, confirmation b....a reply to: Woodcarver

As for making you more Christian, yeah I think it does
Arguable of course

Tell me if people
Are just animals why shouldn’t they be culled
Serious question
What value are they

No way of finding if it’s valid?
There is
Taste it. Try it. Experience it
It’s beyond logic