Bad news for Climate Change.

a reply to: Phage

Perhaps they support Trump because he stopped the 100 billion dollar a year transfer of wealth to the Green Energy Fund?

You can donate your own money, don't make mine go there.

a reply to: NorthernLites
Green Climate Fund you mean?

That might be one reason.

I wonder why they support an increase in the federal deficit though. Don't you? But that's off topic, so never mind.

a reply to: Phage

Were you OK with the deficit increase under Obama?

Thing is with > 3.0 % growth, the deficit increase might not be as big as you think.

a reply to: NorthernLites

Were you OK with the deficit increase under Obama?

Not really. But the situation then was quite different that what Trump stepped into.
But again, off topic.

a reply to: Phage

You took it off topic with your question.

You certainly are a cagey one who likes to roll by his own set of rules on this forum.

Master manipulator, good job Phage.

a reply to: NorthernLites

Actually, you brought it up by talking about spending.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm the one who pointed out it was off topic.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: TheRedneck

Phage below has found a speculation that the total rise if all the available sea ice melted would be 4 cm.

Cool. A 11 year old (old) theory from the lost Age of Understatement!
And I thought you're all about data, not about models?



a reply to: Phage

If all the extant sea ice and floating shelf ice melted, the global sea level would rise about 4 cm.

academic.oup.com...

88 mm at the moment, that's 8,8 cm in my book.
We can't ask the water if that's coming from sea ice only, but I'd reckon it isn't.

climate.nasa.gov...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

That post was in response to speculation that sea ice would appreciably raise sea level if it all melted (which I doubt will ever completely happen).

Those goal posts look heavy. Doesn't it tire you out moving them around?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

And what are you folks going to achieve with that compartmentalisation?

We're losing sea and land ice while the water expands due to the accumulated heat. All of those factors play a role in rising sea levels, not one alone.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

a reply to: celticsea

Shoot! What's on your mind?

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: TheRedneck

And what are you folks going to achieve with that compartmentalisation?

We're losing sea and land ice while the water expands due to the accumulated heat. All of those factors play a role in rising sea levels, not one alone.

There is nothing to indicate that Relative Sea Level is rising at an accelerated rate as compared to the last couple centuries.

a reply to: NorthernLites

Yes, sea level is rising at an increasing rate.

oceanservice.noaa.gov...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

PublicOpinion, without googling, do you even know the difference between RSL and GMSL?

70+ scientific papers say: Today’s Sea Level Change Indistinguishable From Noise

a reply to: scraedtosleep


Today's " Climate Change " is a Direct Result of Catastrophic Events that have happened in the Past leading to Climatic Changes that take from Thousands of Years , or even Decades to be Felt by All Life Forms on Present Day Earth . Climate Scientists with a Political Agenda Rarely make this Known to the Public at large , and for good reason . They are Unable to Calculate the Effects it has on Any of their projected Climate Models .......








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a reply to: NorthernLites

Global sea level trends and relative sea level trends are different measurements

oceanservice.noaa.gov...

Who needs Google for anything, it's the same link. You're still reading?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Public Opinion, the worlds tidal gages indicate there is no acceleration in the rate of Relative Sea Level Rise.. You are aware that the GMSL data set that the satellites are generating has some issues? You might do well to look at the University of Colorado's Sea Level site, educate yourself on the particulars.

Look at this paper to start:
sealevel.colorado.edu...

Is the detection of accelerated sea level rise imminent?

Global mean sea level rise estimated from satellite altimetry provides a strong constraint on climate variability and change and is expected to accelerate as the rates of both ocean warming and cryospheric mass loss increase over time. In stark contrast to this expectation however, current altimeter products show the rate of sea level rise to have decreased from the first to second decades of the altimeter era.

This one is important as well.

sealevel.colorado.edu...

Why is the GMSL different than local tide gauge measurements?

The global mean sea level (GMSL) we estimate is an average over the oceans (limited by the satellite inclination to ± 66 degrees latitude), and it cannot be used to predict relative sea level changes along the coasts

Funny how you guys listen to the scientists when we have severe weather approaching, believe the computer models when they say a hurricane strike is imminent, but then do an about face when it comes to climate change and sea level rise.

Florida heeds hurricane science, but ignores the facts about sea-level rise

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: PublicOpinion

That post was in response to speculation that sea ice would appreciably raise sea level if it all melted (which I doubt will ever completely happen).

Those goal posts look heavy. Doesn't it tire you out moving them around?

TheRedneck

My objection was to this:

originally posted by: NorthernLites
a reply to: Greven

Since sea ice is frozen sea water, the net result of it thawing back into solution will be zero rise in level.

I never said it would be a lot:

originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: NorthernLites
The proposed experiment with freshwater yields what you expect - no change in water level once ice melts.
The proposed experiment with saltwater yields a different result - a small rise in water level once ice melts.

This obviously ignores albedo change and heat expansion from warming waters.

a reply to: Greven

Take a bottle of seawater.
Freeze it then melt it.
Does the level change?