Knife Control is here!

a reply to: RadioRobert

. It's also not clear what local Londoners will now use to cut their food

Do the British carry their dinner cutlery around with them? We leave ours in a drawer in the kitchen when we're not eating.
Maybe they don't trust the maid...

a reply to: Metallicus

Like the average citizen could even use a knife in self defense. It's not like a gun dude. You gotta get right in there to defend yourself with a knife. If your assailant is bigger than you forget it. You're trying to use a gun ownership argument for knives and that's not even in the same league. But yeah let's protect our right to inflict harm at every turn..

a reply to: Sillyolme

You seem a bit stabby. Could probably do with a search and frisk.

a reply to: Sillyolme

From my perspective not allowing a locking folder, or a fixed blade as a family of foragers, makes that lifestyle very limited and frankly potentialy harmful...who the hell wants a non locking blade in the woods?

Its not about defense, its about knives being legitimate tools and locking /fixed blades are all about strength and safety.

I swear to Gawd, I'm just...I just...uhhhh....I mean, What the FOOK???

I don't even know what to say (first), I have so many thoughts shooting around my head about this!

Why can't people get it through their THICK SKULLS that it's NOT ABOUT THE TOOL, but the PERSON who uses it???

What is so freaking hard to understand about this??? It's just incomprehensible to me! Are people really this stoopid???

GAAAAH...I just wanna' scream!

Ten years from now people in the UK are going to be hacking away at their well done tofu with dull, bendy, plastic spoons made of tissue paper asking what happened to civilization! It's just incredible...this mentality of going after the tool, not the person. Just unbelievable!! It's not just the UK, it's here in the US too...Australia...everywhere. It's this socialist mentality that the government can fix everything...by banning everything. GEEZUS!!

NEWS FLASH! - GOING AFTER THE TOOL SOLVES NOTHING!! People intent on doing harm will just find another tool! Why is this so hard to understand???????????

I truly feel like I'm in some kind of an alternate reality or something! C'mon people, cause and effect, symptom and disease...have people just lost their minds entirely???

Unbelievable!

In my opinion let them go after the knives, the pencils and any thing that can be used to harm. Let the people of the UK lose that awsome accent and culture and learn another language and culture. When it is all over they will be happy they lost the war without any violence or mean words, it is what they want. It will be sad to see Dr.Who go away though.

This world will be like the movies Demolition man and Idiocracy had a child, it will be fantastic!!!

Not too far in the future they will be banning fire since that is also something that can be used to hurt someone. Hey Brits, what happened to the hardened stoic fellows my dad used to brag about when he returned from WWII?

Sad spiral into socialist hell it seems. Yes, the govt is your daddy now, and none of you can be trusted with sharp objects.

Can someone explain why this is a bad thing? They're not "banning knives" as some of you have implied. Carrying a knife in public is already illegal, they're making it harder for under 18's to order knives online and buy in shops which is a VOLUNTARY agreement by retailers which they are calling the "Responsible Retailer Agreement" if they CHOOSE to participate all that will happen is that knives will require proof of age (18 and over) to buy. I see no problem with this.

This is aimed at children buying so called zombie knives on line, and also under 18's buying acid. I'm not saying this will fix anything but sometimes you guys so over react and don't read the whole story. We still have our knives, I can still cut my steak and such.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus

Like the average citizen could even use a knife in self defense. It's not like a gun dude. You gotta get right in there to defend yourself with a knife. If your assailant is bigger than you forget it. You're trying to use a gun ownership argument for knives and that's not even in the same league. But yeah let's protect our right to inflict harm at every turn..

I stabbed a burglar with a kitchen knife years ago, never had any training, just plunged it into his shoulder. It really isn't difficult to stab someone if they are not carrying themselves. Don't make out that stabbing is a particular martial art which requires years of training.
Heck, that 78 year old stabbed his burglar to death the other day...are you gonna argue that he was a highly trained knife expert as well?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus

Like the average citizen could even use a knife in self defense. It's not like a gun dude. You gotta get right in there to defend yourself with a knife. If your assailant is bigger than you forget it. You're trying to use a gun ownership argument for knives and that's not even in the same league. But yeah let's protect our right to inflict harm at every turn..

Anyone can swing a knife, not everyone can control a firearm and take aimed shots, especially under pressure.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Metallicus

Like the average citizen could even use a knife in self defense. It's not like a gun dude. You gotta get right in there to defend yourself with a knife. If your assailant is bigger than you forget it. You're trying to use a gun ownership argument for knives and that's not even in the same league. But yeah let's protect our right to inflict harm at every turn..

I stabbed a burglar with a kitchen knife years ago, never had any training, just plunged it into his shoulder. It really isn't difficult to stab someone if they are not carrying themselves. Don't make out that stabbing is a particular martial art which requires years of training.
Heck, that 78 year old stabbed his burglar to death the other day...are you gonna argue that he was a highly trained knife expert as well?

Its all about risk. You don't need training to win a knife fight...but it sure don't hurt.

Meanwhile, if i can shoot from across the room, then missing the first (or second) time may not be fatal for me.

Its a simple risk calculation.

originally posted by: Kurokage
This is aimed at children buying so called zombie knives on line, and also under 18's buying acid. I'm not saying this will fix anything but sometimes you guys so over react and don't read the whole story. We still have our knives, I can still cut my steak and such.

Having to have "good reason" to defend yourself...just seems alien to me.

The fact that I am alive is reason enough to defend myself. Inalienable rights and whatnot...i have a right to live, and a right to retain/defend that life.

I think that is what you are running into here...a massive gap in our cultures whereby you guys have to have "good reason" to act freely and do things that in most parts of this world (and throughout history globally) are just everyday things.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Kurokage
This is aimed at children buying so called zombie knives on line, and also under 18's buying acid. I'm not saying this will fix anything but sometimes you guys so over react and don't read the whole story. We still have our knives, I can still cut my steak and such.

Having to have "good reason" to defend yourself...just seems alien to me.

The fact that I am alive is reason enough to defend myself. Inalienable rights and whatnot...i have a right to live, and a right to retain/defend that life.

I think that is what you are running into here...a massive gap in our cultures whereby you guys have to have "good reason" to act freely and do things that in most parts of this world (and throughout history globally) are just everyday things.

I can see your point but a lot of it gets blown out of proportion by the media. Should children be allowed to walk around school or the local "urban" centre with a 12" Zombie killer tucked in to his jacket? This is what this is about really, local gangs around London getting "Stabby" with each other.
We also have a right to defend ourselves here, but that doesn't necessarily mean always kill the attacker and we have laws if someone steps over the mark but these are hardly ever used if you are seen as a lawful citizen to be only "defending yourself". It's more to do with gang fights, drunken brawls and domestic abuse.

a reply to: Skush

That's not the point.

The point is, enacting "any" legislation aimed at the object / tool (no matter how seemingly well intentioned) will NEVER have one iota of impact on changing behavior. None, zero...nada. That is the point

If you want to change behavior you change the people, not the tools they use. They'll just find another tool...as is exquisitely illustrated in the UK with this measure. Guns are already illegal (for the most part), now it's a knife problem.

What's next... rocks? Bats? Pointy sticks?

Where does it end?

Can't people see how completely pointless this is? It accomplishes nothing, but neutering all of society to the point of trembling spineless jello.

a reply to: Kurokage

I should put it differently: one of the primary arguements around our 2nd Amendment is "common sense" laws. When I see the verbiage used around the knife laws in the UK...my spidey senses go on full alert.

To an American, the UK looks like what a post 2nd amendment US would look like in some dystopian future.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


But this isn't aimed at adults though, this is more to with children or more accurately adolescent teen gangs.
London is a nightmare to get around, so gangs of youths would steal mopeds to get through traffic, use acid to mug someone and be off before anyone could respond, so a restriction on certain types of acid was bought in, to make it harder for under 18's buying it.

It accomplishes nothing, but neutering all of society to the point of trembling spineless jello.

This isn't aimed at all of society though, it's aimed at children.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Kurokage

I should put it differently: one of the primary arguements around our 2nd Amendment is "common sense" laws. When I see the verbiage used around the knife laws in the UK...my spidey senses go on full alert.

To an American, the UK looks like what a post 2nd amendment US would look like in some dystopian future.

To me as a Brit', whenever the 2nd amendment is mentioned, I think of an old out of date law bought about so southern plantation owners could get a "militia" together to bring back there escaped "property".

This is about older gang members using peer pressure on younger members to carry out crime, this is about gangs and gang culture in inner city London and people trying to control it. Sometimes it doesn't work.
Also the cutting of "on the beat" old bill is starting to be felt by these areas, we've had 8 years of these cuts and they are now being felt. till now crime was falling year on year.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


But this isn't aimed at adults though, this is more to with children or more accurately adolescent teen gangs.

It doesn't matter, legislation directed at an object is completely without any redeeming value. It will change nothing at all, and most certainly not behavior.

London is a nightmare to get around, so gangs of youths would steal mopeds to get through traffic, use acid to mug someone and be off before anyone could respond, so a restriction on certain types of acid was bought in, to make it harder for under 18's buying it.

It accomplishes nothing, but neutering all of society to the point of trembling spineless jello.

This isn't aimed at all of society though, it's aimed at children.

These same gangs could care less what laws are passed, the leave their flat every day with the sole intent of breaking the law. This will change nothing, but just create more criminals.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

This will change nothing, but just create more criminals.

Create what criminals??