Questions Emerge Over Florida Shooter's "Full Metal Garb"

a reply to: MisterMcKill

I'm trying to find it put wasn't it said the first day he used gas canisters to mimic smoke of a fire?

ETA: found one article and it's a CNN timeline

He allegedly is wearing a gas mask and carrying smoke grenades. It's unclear whether the smoke grenades were used.

CNN timeline

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MisterMcKill

IT doesn't take an expert.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge wouldn't call it metal.

But here is the problem: where is the body armor? Where is the face mask? We cannot know if we cannot see...

originally posted by: MisterMcKill

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MisterMcKill

IT doesn't take an expert.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge wouldn't call it metal.

But here is the problem: where is the body armor? Where is the face mask? We cannot know if we cannot see...

Good question.

This snip is usually plastered all over the net and media by now.

It's also odd the typical media shills haven't broken in to the kids home to show us the evil doers lair.

Other shooter? Maybe the explanation, is that some people are poor witnesse, when exposed to an extremely traumatic and stressful event.

Emotional memory enhancement effects, presumably driven by the interaction of stress and arousal during encoding, have interesting implications for eyewitness accounts, which in real-world contexts frequently involve negatively arousing events that likely elicit activation of the physiological stress response and ensuing release of stress hormones. Although negatively arousing events may be subsequently well remembered, this may or may not preclude these memories from susceptibility to misinformation endorsement. Indeed, in some cases memory for negative materials and events has been shown to be more susceptible to incorporation of false information compared to memories for positive or neutral materials

This phenomenon, known as the misinformation effect (Loftus, 1975; Loftus & Hoffman, 1989; Loftus & Palmer, 1974), has been reported in a multitude of studies and has, over the years, become a classic demonstration of the susceptibility of episodic memory to distortion. From the time of its discovery in the late 1970s, the misinformation effect has had clear implications in the legal domain,providing empirical evidence that in the face of misleading information eyewitness memory is prone to fallibility.

www.sciencedirect.com...

a reply to: MisterMcKill

Here's one:

This teacher thought it was a drill but then heard shooting.

Rospierski saw the shooter approach wearing a helmet and a mask. He didn’t know it at the time, but the gunman was a former student

I'll try to find the other one I remember, and I'll post any others I find as well.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MisterMcKill

Here's one:

This teacher thought it was a drill but then heard shooting.

Rospierski saw the shooter approach wearing a helmet and a mask. He didn’t know it at the time, but the gunman was a former student

I'll try to find the other one I remember, and I'll post any others I find as well.

A helmet... and a mask? This gets stranger by the minute. Where are said helmet and mask? Have they been entered into evidence? Sigh. Great work though, keep those links coming.

He was known to have purchased body armor for 330.00. I think body armor is going to be used alot more now. However I did see a good idea anti ballistics backpacks for students.

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: MisterMcKill

"Full metal garb", facemask and bulletproof armor? Some students said they spoke with or saw the shooter during the event, and said nothing about that.

This is a new detail for me as well..

A girl who was interviewed a couple hours after the shooting said she was confused because she heard shooting, ran the opposite direction, and came across Cruz (who was heading towards her) where she spoke to him and said something like "I'm surprised that it wasn't you". She said she didn't see how he could have been shooting the shots she heard and then see him just seconds later in a totally different area. Also she said Cruz didn't seem flustered or rattled or unusual at all, which I can't see a shooter being like that after all this happeneing.

a reply to: MisterMcKill

If that helmet was similar to what SWAT or a motorcycle copy would wear, that might be what made the lady teacher think of a cop.

There's this too:

Cruz fired several rounds, but the windows wouldn’t break, so the gunman dropped his rifle on the stairwell, removed his flak vest to reveal his “Stoneman Douglas” shirt, and went outside where he joined the parade of fleeing students streaming onto the football field, the legislators said.

Legislators say they are haunted by what they saw at Parkland school

ETA: From a Florida senator:

“The shooter wore a gas mask, and he had smoke grenades; he set off the fire alarm so the kids would come pouring out of the classrooms and into the hall, and there the carnage began,” the senior senator from Florida Bill Nelson told CNN this evening, citing the FBI as his source.

Sen. Bill Nelson: Florida School Shooter Wore Gas Mask, Launched Smoke Grenades, Pulled Fire Alarm – Update

It's obvious that the official story originally included -- at the very least -- a gas mask and some kind of smoke or gas device. Then the official story changed. Sounds like Vegas, eh?

originally posted by: MisterMcKill

originally posted by: neo96

“I suddenly saw the shooter about twenty feet in front of me standing at the end of the hallway actively shooting down the hallway, just a barrage of bullets, and I’m staring at him thinking why are the police here, this is strange because he's in full metal garb, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting this rifle that I've never seen before."

First problem with this is.

If the face was covered there was absolutely no way to identify the shooter as Cruz.

Second.

Body armor isn't metal. Ceramic plate inserts, and is not bullet proof. It's resistant.

Big difference.

I am guessing that the teacher being interviewed was not an expert on body armor. You are correct, of course, but I think we get what she was saying in context.

Not to mention the description may have been a reference to Mad Max/ Full Metal Gear type video gaming...

originally posted by: WarPig1939


Uh oh. Now the government has to send a spook to shut that women up or make her commit suicide somehow by drowning or hanging.

Nope, it's usually a traffic accident. For some odd reason, witnesses that don't stick to the official story seem to perish shortly after.

They must be bad drivers....

Do we ever get to see CCTV footage of any event like this even years later -nope

they are after the guns pure and simple

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
Do we ever get to see CCTV footage of any event like this even years later -nope

they are after the guns pure and simple

I'm gonna go with "The footage got deleted or missing."

Second shooter identified.

a reply to: wylekat
There’s videos of shots being fired but doesn’t show the shooter.
I suspect their are other videos that might.

None of this makes any sense. I think his Uber driver is about to accidentally drive off a cliff before he can be interviewed.

Hanging on her calling armor metal is pretty dense.

What is the first thing you think of with armor?

Armored tank?

That it's covered in fabric and kevlar?

It's a pretty obvious mistake with her description, she's not a cop or soldier.

She is associating armor with metal imo.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MisterMcKill


It's obvious that the official story originally included -- at the very least -- a gas mask and some kind of smoke or gas device. Then the official story changed. Sounds like Vegas, eh?

It sure does sound like Vegas. And that does not make me happy...

a reply to: MisterMcKill

Yeah, more and more. Remember the folks in Vegas who said they heard fireworks first? I was just reading about Deputy Peterson's statement via his attorney -- including fireworks:

In the statement, Peterson claimed he took up a position outside Building 12 after rushing over to respond to a report of firecrackers.

He and security specialist Kelvin Greenleaf ran out another building on the sprawling campus and ran “a couple hundred yards” north to Building 12.

Peterson said that he was the first BSO deputy to dispatch on the radio that shots were being fired. Peterson nor his lawyer said whether the officer saw any students rushing from the building, or any alarming activity through the windows of Building 12 that would suggest an active shooters inside.

This is the first I've seen the name "Kelvin Greenleaf," or that he was with Peterson. I'd sure like to hear from him also.

And this is brand new information too:

“Radio transmissions indicated that there were a gunshot victim in the area of the football field, which served to confirm Mr. Peterson’s belief that the shooter, or shooters, were outside,” according to the lawyer.

It reminds me of the dead bodies reported at Hooters and Tropicana -- including on police radio transmissions -- that we never heard about again.

Note the contradictory grammar/conjugation too. It should either be "there was a gunshot victim" or "there were gunshot victims. (I copied & pasted, so it's not my typo)

I’m no coward, says deputy who didn’t go inside Parkland school during massacre

originally posted by: MisterMcKill

Just as we saw with the massacre in Las Vegas, a number of questions and inconsistencies have arisen following the Parkland High School shooting.

As Intellhub's Shepard Ambellas reports, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher Stacy Lippel was grazed by a hot bullet which left the chamber of the shooter’s gun as she closed the door to her classroom after letting a number of students file into what would presumably be safety. However, nothing could have prepared the teacher for what she was to witness next.

“I suddenly saw the shooter about twenty feet in front of me standing at the end of the hallway actively shooting down the hallway, just a barrage of bullets, and I’m staring at him thinking why are the police here, this is strange because he's in full metal garb, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting this rifle that I've never seen before."

Questions Emerge Over Florida Shooter's "Full Metal Garb"

I really do not like the sound of this. As one more mass shooting narrative falls apart, I just get a sinking feeling that we are all being manipulated in the worst possible way. I will leave you all to make of this what you will. As for me, I think that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

The article goes further into the alleged timeline, and... well, it just doesn't add up.

--McK177

As with all these mass shootings - people are being killed and injured - the manner in which it happens is the question.

It's interesting how some "Body language expert" on Youtube can spend her analysis of the girl that "walked with the shooter" almost derisively claiming that "you know damn well there weren't two shooters". How does SHE, the language expert know that?

The official story is often sketchy at best.