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originally posted by: Arnie123
originally posted by: kurthall
He was not Vindicated of the Russia investigation and Muller, your grasping... Did mueller say the investigation is over and trump is cleared? If so I'd like to see that.
HAHAHA, this is rich. You want to hear it from Muellers mouth personally?
Let me guess, you prefer pictures in your books, easier to understand?
Fight the fight, till the absolute end, huh? If you must...
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: rockintitz
Butt hurt is a perfect term to describe this
There is no sign yet of the investigation reaching an end.
Mueller still wants to interview Trump himself, for one.
And his team is following other leads, apparently, such as financial connections between the Trump Organization, the president’s real estate business, and Russia.
Ivanka and Eric Trump were close to being criminally charged for their roles in Trump SoHo until family fixer attorney Marc Kasowitz intervened, and was later discovered to have given a substantial political donation to the Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance.
A racketeering and fraud lawsuit against Sater and Bayrock is still in the discovery phase in federal court, after he lost a motion to dismiss the case at the end of December 2016. Bayrock whistleblower Jody Kriss is one of the plaintiffs and told all about Trump’s dirty deal to Bloomberg.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: JBurns
This indictment is about low level contacts. Let's wait for testimony from Flynn, Manafort, Popadopaulos, etc, etc, etc.... Tick tock.
originally posted by: Harpua
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The more you say this the more others will say there was collusion. It's basically turned into something that is solely based on personal opinion and bias seeing as how muddy they've made the waters surrounding the issue.
There is no truth to any of it, just a ploy to divide us. When will people start waking up to this fact?
I can agree with this wholeheartedly.
"Experts say the goal of Russian troll propagandists isn't to sway people's opinions in one way or another. Instead, the accounts seek to exploit divisions in order to break down society into smaller, warring groups. Trolls drum up persona accounts on every side of the ideological spectrum and take advantage of high-impact events to spread confusion and disarray."
originally posted by: kurthall
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: aethertek
He was completely vindicated today.
USCourts.GOV
For a conspiracy to have existed, it is not necessary that the conspirators made a formal agreement or that they agreed on every detail of the conspiracy. It is not enough, however, that they simply met, discussed matters of common interest, acted in similar ways, or perhaps helped one another. You must find that there was a plan to commit at least one of the crimes alleged in the indictment as an object of the conspiracy with all of you agreeing as to the particular crime which the conspirators agreed to commit.
One becomes a member of a conspiracy by willfully participating in the unlawful plan with the intent to advance or further some object or purpose of the conspiracy, even though the person does not have full knowledge of all the details of the conspiracy. Furthermore, one who willfully joins an existing conspiracy is as responsible for it as the originators. On the other hand, one who has no knowledge of a conspiracy, but happens to act in a way which furthers some object or purpose of the conspiracy, does not thereby become a conspirator. Similarly, a person does not become a conspirator merely by associating with one or more persons who are conspirators, nor merely by knowing that a conspiracy exists.
www3.ce9.uscourts.gov...
Good luck proving any of that after today's CONCLUSION on Trump/camp involvement.
It also says that some of the Russians posed as U.S. people and communicated with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.”
Rosenstein noted that there is no allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation.
thehill.com...
.......
The jig is up guys. Your narrative is debunked. No knowledge means no knowledge. Rod Rosenstein: "No allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation."
No Americans had any knowledge they were talking to Russians regarding these particular indictments not over all people.
This in no way means the investigation is over and Flynn and Papadopoulos have been indicted because of the Russia investigation. Stop acting like this is an end game regarding the investigation.
People in trump's Inner circle and Russia go hand-in-hand that is the bottom line.
One-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been hit with yet another bank fraud charge by special counsel Robert Mueller in his investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the president’s campaign.
Politico reported Friday night that Mueller’s office has found “additional criminal conduct” since Manafort was indicted in October for committing bank fraud and failing to register as a foreign agent.
This story is developing …
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: JBurns
There is no Trump-Russia collusion and the media should stop pushing this
thehill.com...
All of the breathless rumor-mongering, the briefings, the innuendo, all based on a fake dossier, has spun up the narrative of Trump-Russia collusion. Yet, there’s simply no "there" there, after more than 18 months of investigation.
It’s a house-of-cards narrative with no facts to support it. No matter how badly many on the political left want Trump’s “”collusion” to be true, it is desperately hard to turn fairytales into facts.
While many on the left cling to their sad dreams, more and more evidence is mounting that the real collusion was, in fact, between Democrats and Russia, involving the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign.
In banana republics, the party in power weaponizes the state against political opponents to stay in power. It’s becoming clearer by the day that Obama’s DOJ, FBI, State Department and even the CIA were weaponized against Trump.
With the thin excuse of the Steele dossier, it’s becoming far more believable that, instead of being for national security reasons, all of this was spun up for political reasons. One can argue that Trump the Outsider was an existential threat to the administrative state, and also to the justice and intelligence communities which, over the course of decades, have seemingly decided they are above the law and immune to congressional oversight.
What is equally shameful in all of this is the media’s complicity. It has acted as mouthpieces for lawless administrative-state actors and agents of Russian misinformation, by swallowing hook, line and sinker the dossier’s contents and running with that information.
It also apparently is completely disinterested, distinctly uncurious, as to what actually happened in 2016 with our government agencies. Many in the press apparently have no problem with partisan propaganda being used to destroy our civil liberties and Fourth Amendment rights. In their self-righteous crusade to bring down the “evil” Trump, the ends justify the means — so damn the inconvenient facts.
This behavior of the media is just as troubling as the behavior of the various governmental agencies. For there to be transparency and accountability in government, there has to be a free, honest and objective press, not one that is simply the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party and the administrative state.
Not to mention that today's indictments against 13 Russian nationals accused of defrauding the United States specifically states they had attempted to *contact* Trumps campaign under misleading and manipulative pretenses. It also states the Trump campaign was unaware they had communicated with individuals from Russia, who were posing as Americans using false identifications.
Time for the media to stop pushing this irresponsible narrative. At this point, the evidence more than suggests NO TRUMP "COLLUSION"
This is just. First mention of my imagination..
“Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone”
originally posted by: visitedbythem
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: rockintitz
Butt hurt is a perfect term to describe this
We have a neighbor who has been crying since Hillary fell on her face
We call him " Butt Hurt Kurt"
Yup and as such, they won't find anything. If it appears that Mueller is overstepping his perimeters, Trump will fire him. Because he can, you DO KNOW THAT, RIGHT? 😏
originally posted by: aethertek
Too bad, so sad, the investigation isn't over, not just yet.
There is no sign yet of the investigation reaching an end.
Mueller still wants to interview Trump himself, for one.
And his team is following other leads, apparently, such as financial connections between the Trump Organization, the president’s real estate business, and Russia.
www.rawstory.com...
Oh did any of you notice this from last week?
A federal court just unsealed Trump’s 20-year-old dirty secrets
Ivanka and Eric Trump were close to being criminally charged for their roles in Trump SoHo until family fixer attorney Marc Kasowitz intervened, and was later discovered to have given a substantial political donation to the Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance.
A racketeering and fraud lawsuit against Sater and Bayrock is still in the discovery phase in federal court, after he lost a motion to dismiss the case at the end of December 2016. Bayrock whistleblower Jody Kriss is one of the plaintiffs and told all about Trump’s dirty deal to Bloomberg.
washingtonpress.com...
K~
originally posted by: visitedbythem
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: rockintitz
Butt hurt is a perfect term to describe this
We have a neighbor who has been crying since Hillary fell on her face
We call him " Butt Hurt Kurt"
Back to Manafort, who, with little amount of time he had with the administration, had his own thing going on, apart from Trump and the fake russo collusion BS made up by sad leftist liberals.
originally posted by: aethertek
Oh noes I guess the large lady ain't done belting them out yet.
Manafort hit with another bank fraud charge by Mueller: report
One-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been hit with yet another bank fraud charge by special counsel Robert Mueller in his investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the president’s campaign.
Politico reported Friday night that Mueller’s office has found “additional criminal conduct” since Manafort was indicted in October for committing bank fraud and failing to register as a foreign agent.
This story is developing …
www.rawstory.com...
This story is developing …LOL, so is the investigation into Trump & associates criminality.
K~
1. Defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., (MANAFORT) and RICHARD W. GATES Ill
(GA TES) served for years as political consultants and lobbyist'i. Between at least 2006 and 2015,
MANAFORT and GATES acted as unregistered agents of the Government of Ukraine, the Party
of Regions ( a Ukrainian political party whose leader Victor Yanukovych was President from 2010
to 2014), Yanukovych, and the Opposition Bloc (a successor to the Party of Regions that formed
in 2014 when Yanukovych fled to Russia). MANAFORT and GATES generated tens of millions
of dollars in income as a result of their Ukraine work. 111 order to hide Ukraine payments from
United States authorities, from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, MAN AF ORT and
OATES laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations,
partnerships, and bank accounts.