So, a peer reviewed journal article stating...

Simply stating that evolution is a proven scientific fact
Barcs is right, micro evolution does take place, I agree.
I want a peer reviewed journal article dealing with Macro evolution

I don't want assumption, conjecture or faith statements

As an aside, I accept evolution is a reasonable theory, I don't disagree with Christians who accept evolution, you are welcome to believe evolution
I know creation sounds like a fantasy, is really pretty silly to believe in, in this scientific world
I don't have any scientific peer reviewed articles for it either. Creation is not a secular science so it's not needed

Again, simply show me scientific peer reviewed evidence of evolution as fact

Thank you

a reply to: Raggedyman

I guess you wern't paying attention in the many threads where what you are asking for in yet another thread has been posted...

Do we really need to do this again?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman

I guess you wern't paying attention in the many threads where what you are asking for in yet another thread has been posted...

Do we really need to do this again?

No you don't have to, just ignore the topic ak
It's not that hard to work out on your own
Don't like a thread, don't read it

a reply to: Raggedyman

but....

the ignorance is so compelling i can't look away

its like, watching a car accident in slow motion

a reply to: Raggedyman

oh dear - hear we go AGAIN

congrats - and S / F - for having finallly accepted the validity of evolitionsary science

but just humour me :

now that to accept that :

organisms do change , and that in a short time - they display minor new traits // characteritics -

then why do you resist the logic that - these minor traits accumulate over longer periods ?

Instead of going to the local hospital and seeking out the "Admitting Room" I'm going to do 'it' right here.. My first thought when I read the 4 or 5 threads going I thought, "They still have wolves don't they...?

Things that make You go 'hmmmm'

Stay Hydrated...

Hyuk Hyuk

Make ATS Great Again.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Simply stating that evolution is a proven scientific fact
Barcs is right, micro evolution does take place, I agree.
I want a peer reviewed journal article dealing with Macro evolution

I don't want assumption, conjecture or faith statements

As an aside, I accept evolution is a reasonable theory, I don't disagree with Christians who accept evolution, you are welcome to believe evolution
I know creation sounds like a fantasy, is really pretty silly to believe in, in this scientific world
I don't have any scientific peer reviewed articles for it either. Creation is not a secular science so it's not needed

Again, simply show me scientific peer reviewed evidence of evolution as fact

Thank you

Or you could go find them? If you need to see them why don't you go look for them? I personally watched evolution happen in my kitchen. I left some bags of garbage sitting for like 2 years and some brownish red fluid had accumulated underneath. When I finally cleaned up I found flies living in the fluid that no longer had wings. There were hundreds of them I didn't know what the # they were at first. I just assume that by living in the fluid, I dubbed the devil's breakfast tea, they no longer needed to fly and in fact wings were probably a detriment living in the 'devil's breakfast tea' so after so many generations they just stopped producing wings and hundreds of generations of wingless flies just carried on living under the pile of filth in my kitchen...
Until I extirpated their population by destroying and cleaning up their habitat and putting a mini fridge on it...# ya biology.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Simply stating that evolution is a proven scientific fact
Barcs is right, micro evolution does take place, I agree.
I want a peer reviewed journal article dealing with Macro evolution

I don't want assumption, conjecture or faith statements

As an aside, I accept evolution is a reasonable theory, I don't disagree with Christians who accept evolution, you are welcome to believe evolution
I know creation sounds like a fantasy, is really pretty silly to believe in, in this scientific world
I don't have any scientific peer reviewed articles for it either. Creation is not a secular science so it's not needed

Again, simply show me scientific peer reviewed evidence of evolution as fact

Thank you

Bacteria...have evolved, demonstrably. What is it you suppose is happening in place of evolution? You can't see evolution over a short period. Evolution takes place in the same time frames as geology.

Did volcanic soils just appear? No, they got spit up and broken down over time. The more complex an organism the longer evolution takes.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Every single peer reviewed journal concerning evolution covers Macro-evolution..

The theories cannot be seperated..

Also, it seems you do not understand the definition of a scientific theory..

A scientific theory trumps a fact or a layman’s term theory..

A scientific theory is a collection of facts that lead to only one conclusion, with zero examples of things that contradict that theory..


Huge swaths of our medical industry are based on evolution..

Cloning is based on evolution..


Gene therapy is based on evolution..

Dog breeding is based off evolution..

Everything concerning DNA is based on evolution..


Remember religion had royalty all inbreeding because they believed that kept the blood line pure, where science taught us that genetic diversity is really how life works.

a reply to: Raggedyman

why not simply google what you're looking for, there is plenty of peer reviewed information out there relating to evolution for those who are truly interested in the subject.

What does "peer reviewed" mean, exactly? Let me give you a clue. "Peer Reviewed" means an article has passed muster among other experts in the field. Usually it works like this:

1. An article is submitted to a journal
2. The editor of said journal takes off the author names and sends it to experts in the field.
3. Experts review said article and return comments with suggested changes, approval, or disapproval.
4. Editor sends suggested comments to author(s)
5. Author(s) resubmit revised article
6. Journal publishes said article.

Now, here are a few journals on evolution or which often publish on evolution now published that adhere to peer review. If you would care to look through even one issue of one of the publications listed below my guess is you will find several articles per issue on evolution that are peer reviewed. To find copies of these journals a visit to any local academic library should find a number of them.

Is there anything else you need help with?

Journal List

This list is by no means complete. It includes journals primarily devoted to evolution and others that frequently publish evolutionary articles. Mainly national journals, or those focusing on particular taxonomic groups, are not included.
Evolutionary Biology

Evolution
American Naturalist
Journal of Evolutionary Biology
Molecular Ecology
Molecular Biology and Evolution
Journal of Molecular Evolution
Biological Journal of the Linnean Society
BMC Evolutionary Biology
Nature
Science
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA)
Proceedings of the Royal Society (London) B
PLoS Biology
Current Biology
Biology Letters
PLoS One
Annual Review of Ecology, Evolution, and Systematics
Annual Review of Genetics
Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics
Nature Reviews Genetics
Trends in Ecology and Evolution
Evolutionary Biology
BioEssays
Current Opinion in Genetics and Development
Quarterly Review of Biology
Biological Reviews
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society (London) B Genetics
Genetics
Heredity
Nature Genetics
Genetics Selection Evolution
PLoS Genetics
Genome Research
Genome
Genome Biology
Trends in Genetics
BMC Genetics
Genes and Development Theory
Theoretical Population Biology
Journal of Theoretical Biology
Bulletin of Mathematical Biology
Journal of Mathematical Biology
Physical Review E Statistical, nonlinear, and soft matter physics
Physical Review Letters
Journal of Statistical Physics
Ecology
Ecology Letters
Population Ecology
Behavioural Ecology and Sociobiology
Evolutionary Ecology
Evolutionary Ecology Research
Molecular Ecology
Development
Evolution and Development
Development Genes and Evolution
Developmental Biology
Genes and Development
Paleontology
Paleobiology
Systematics
Systematic Biology
Cladistics
Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution
Biochemical Systematics and Ecology
Plant Systematics and Evolution
Human Genetics and Evolution
American Journal of Human Genetics
Annals of Human Genetics
European Journal of Human Genetics
Genetic Epidemiology
Human Genetics
Journal of Human Evolution
Evolutionary Anthropology
Behavior (including Human)
Animal Behaviour
Behavioural Ecology
Brain Behaviour and Evolution
Sociobiology
Ethology Ecology and Evolution
Journal of Evolutionary Psychology
Evolution and Human Behavior
Evolution & Cognition
Evolutionary Computation
IEEE Transactions on Evolutionary Computation
Conservation
Conservation Biology
Biological Conservation
Education
Evolution: Education and Outreach
Journal of Evolutionary Economics
Journal of Biogeography
Biology and Philosophy
Origins of Life and Evolution of Biospheres
PLoS Computational Biology
Infection, Genetics and Evolution

a reply to: Raggedyman

Micro and macro evolution are not real things..

They are terms created by creationists who could no loner argue that evolution was real..

So they created 2 categories THAT SCIENCE DOESNT RECOGNIZE..

Everyone has to understand one thing...

these people are actually looking to see proof of a bird turning into a cat... or something along those lines

a reply to: weirdguy

Because he doesn’t actually want to see one and likely wouldn’t understand it if he did..

Neither would most of us understand it to be fair..


He just wants to claim there are not any and feel self righteous.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Simply stating that evolution is a proven scientific fact
Barcs is right, micro evolution does take place, I agree.
I want a peer reviewed journal article dealing with Macro evolution

I don't want assumption, conjecture or faith statements

As an aside, I accept evolution is a reasonable theory, I don't disagree with Christians who accept evolution, you are welcome to believe evolution
I know creation sounds like a fantasy, is really pretty silly to believe in, in this scientific world
I don't have any scientific peer reviewed articles for it either. Creation is not a secular science so it's not needed

Again, simply show me scientific peer reviewed evidence of evolution as fact

Thank you

Secular is but a word, as is Creation, both are ambiguous on their own.
If you want a scientific peer reviewed evidence of evolution as fact, they are out there, most likely nowadays in the area of chemistry...cryo-electron microscopy perhaps, shows creation as well though?

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Simply stating that evolution is a proven scientific fact
Barcs is right, micro evolution does take place, I agree.
I want a peer reviewed journal article dealing with Macro evolution

I don't want assumption, conjecture or faith statements

As an aside, I accept evolution is a reasonable theory, I don't disagree with Christians who accept evolution, you are welcome to believe evolution
I know creation sounds like a fantasy, is really pretty silly to believe in, in this scientific world
I don't have any scientific peer reviewed articles for it either. Creation is not a secular science so it's not needed

Again, simply show me scientific peer reviewed evidence of evolution as fact

Thank you

Or you could go find them? If you need to see them why don't you go look for them? I personally watched evolution happen in my kitchen. I left some bags of garbage sitting for like 2 years and some brownish red fluid had accumulated underneath. When I finally cleaned up I found flies living in the fluid that no longer had wings. There were hundreds of them I didn't know what the # they were at first. I just assume that by living in the fluid, I dubbed the devil's breakfast tea, they no longer needed to fly and in fact wings were probably a detriment living in the 'devil's breakfast tea' so after so many generations they just stopped producing wings and hundreds of generations of wingless flies just carried on living under the pile of filth in my kitchen...
Until I extirpated their population by destroying and cleaning up their habitat and putting a mini fridge on it...# ya biology.

Could you elaborate on this story. Why did you let sit bags of garbage in your kitchen for two years? What prevented you from cleaning it sooner? Did it smell? If it did, did the smell make your kitchen unusable? Do you even have a sense of smell? What do you put in the mini fridge?

a reply to: Raggedyman

As you can see, most people try to make fun of you if you don't understand evolution like it is settled science. It is not settled science though.

It could just be a diet that makes things change to suit their surroundings. It would be more reasonable as it directly effects the body.

originally posted by: schuyler
What does "peer reviewed" mean, exactly? Let me give you a clue. "Peer Reviewed" means an article has passed muster among other experts in the field. Usually it works like this:

1. An article is submitted to a journal
2. The editor of said journal takes off the author names and sends it to experts in the field.
3. Experts review said article and return comments with suggested changes, approval, or disapproval.
4. Editor sends suggested comments to author(s)
5. Author(s) resubmit revised article
6. Journal publishes said article.

Now, here are a few journals on evolution or which often publish on evolution now published that adhere to peer review. If you would care to look through even one issue of one of the publications listed below my guess is you will find several articles per issue on evolution that are peer reviewed. To find copies of these journals a visit to any local academic library should find a number of them.

Is there anything else you need help with?

Journal List

This list is by no means complete. It includes journals primarily devoted to evolution and others that frequently publish evolutionary articles. Mainly national journals, or those focusing on particular taxonomic groups, are not included.
Evolutionary Biology

Evolution
American Naturalist
Journal of Evolutionary Biology
Molecular Ecology
Molecular Biology and Evolution
Journal of Molecular Evolution
Biological Journal of the Linnean Society
BMC Evolutionary Biology
Nature
Science
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA)
Proceedings of the Royal Society (London) B
PLoS Biology
Current Biology
Biology Letters
PLoS One
Annual Review of Ecology, Evolution, and Systematics
Annual Review of Genetics
Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics
Nature Reviews Genetics
Trends in Ecology and Evolution
Evolutionary Biology
BioEssays
Current Opinion in Genetics and Development
Quarterly Review of Biology
Biological Reviews
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society (London) B Genetics
Genetics
Heredity
Nature Genetics
Genetics Selection Evolution
PLoS Genetics
Genome Research
Genome
Genome Biology
Trends in Genetics
BMC Genetics
Genes and Development Theory
Theoretical Population Biology
Journal of Theoretical Biology
Bulletin of Mathematical Biology
Journal of Mathematical Biology
Physical Review E Statistical, nonlinear, and soft matter physics
Physical Review Letters
Journal of Statistical Physics
Ecology
Ecology Letters
Population Ecology
Behavioural Ecology and Sociobiology
Evolutionary Ecology
Evolutionary Ecology Research
Molecular Ecology
Development
Evolution and Development
Development Genes and Evolution
Developmental Biology
Genes and Development
Paleontology
Paleobiology
Systematics
Systematic Biology
Cladistics
Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution
Biochemical Systematics and Ecology
Plant Systematics and Evolution
Human Genetics and Evolution
American Journal of Human Genetics
Annals of Human Genetics
European Journal of Human Genetics
Genetic Epidemiology
Human Genetics
Journal of Human Evolution
Evolutionary Anthropology
Behavior (including Human)
Animal Behaviour
Behavioural Ecology
Brain Behaviour and Evolution
Sociobiology
Ethology Ecology and Evolution
Journal of Evolutionary Psychology
Evolution and Human Behavior
Evolution & Cognition
Evolutionary Computation
IEEE Transactions on Evolutionary Computation
Conservation
Conservation Biology
Biological Conservation
Education
Evolution: Education and Outreach
Journal of Evolutionary Economics
Journal of Biogeography
Biology and Philosophy
Origins of Life and Evolution of Biospheres
PLoS Computational Biology
Infection, Genetics and Evolution

Please read my op, comprehend, understand, think it through.
Then reply

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Did you read the op?
Did you read where I asked for scientific, peer reviewed articles stating evolution was a proven science

What's wrong, do I write in Chinese?
I can't make the question any simpler