Why the Dossier may be the most serious political scandal the US has ever seen.

Nope
www.nationalreview.com...

Do not be fooled by the “Conspiracy against the United States” heading on Count One (page 23 of the indictment). This case has nothing to do with what Democrats and the media call “the attack on our democracy” (i.e., the Kremlin’s meddling in the 2016 election, supposedly in “collusion” with the Trump campaign). Essentially, Manafort and his associate, Richard W. Gates, are charged with (a) conspiring to conceal from the U.S. government about $75 million they made as unregistered foreign agents for Ukraine, years before the 2016 election (mainly, from 2006 through 2014), and (b) a money-laundering conspiracy.

From President Trump’s perspective, the indictment is a boon from which he can claim that the special counsel has no actionable collusion case. It appears to reaffirm former FBI director James Comey’s multiple assurances that Trump is not a suspect. And, to the extent it looks like an attempt to play prosecutorial hardball with Manafort, the president can continue to portray himself as the victim of a witch hunt.

Don't worry the same people are coming for the podesta group.

a reply to: Sillyolme

So In other words you want people to stay on topic, but you have nothing to say on the topic.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Bull#. One FISA warrant was issued based on the dossier. On Carter Page and he'd been on their radar for years already. ONE warrant. Stop lying to to support your cause. You will be found out every time.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Bull#. One FISA warrant was issued based on the dossier. On Carter Page and he'd been on their radar for years already. ONE warrant. Stop lying to to support your cause. You will be found out every time.

So you admit it was used to spy on Obama's opponets campaign.

Your only defense is that it was only one person.

Using dirt paid for by your own party obtained from Kremlin officials and then weoponizing the Intel community by using that dirt to spy on your opponents is ok now.

As long as your just targeting one person on your opponents team.

Unreal.

a reply to: Grambler

I'm not even going to argue that with you. It's already been explained. You are mired in a lie and I can't help you.
Go play somewhere else . Maybe they won't mind answering questions you've already been given the answers to. No one here can provide understanding for you. We can only give facts. If you refuse to absorb them that's on you. Pretend you don't understand and ask a hundred times more or accept the truth.

a reply to: dragonridr

I saw a lot of this with Obama too, and it wasn't helpful then either. For better or worse, Trump is the pilot of the plane were on, and wishing him ill will, only means you wish the pilot to crash the plane we area all riding on. Hope that make my position clearer.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Bull#. One FISA warrant was issued based on the dossier. On Carter Page and he'd been on their radar for years already. ONE warrant. Stop lying to to support your cause. You will be found out every time.

One fisa warrant based on the steele dossier is a huge problem.
Sorry that you do not understand that.
The former administration used the us military and the us ic to spy on its political opponents after the nomination was wrapped up.
Much worse than watergate.
And unlike you I do not lie here, and I use sources something you seem to be allergic to.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Bull#. One FISA warrant was issued based on the dossier. On Carter Page and he'd been on their radar for years already. ONE warrant. Stop lying to to support your cause. You will be found out every time.

I had to quote this so it couldn't be edited away. Thank you so much for this admission.

Even ONE warrant is unacceptable! Whether or not he was on the radar (as you claim) is immaterial. They clearly didn't have enough evidence WITHOUT THIS DNC FUNDED UNSUBSTANTIATED DRIVEL to obtain a warrant. ANY TIME you violate the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of an AMERICAN CITIZEN it must be with STRONG EVIDENCE that is vetted. ANY governmental infringment of a Citizen's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS are a HUGE DEAL, and must only occur under the most extreme and carefully vetted circumstances.

Thank you for admitting that a multitude of federal crimes were committed - against the administration's political opponents no less. If Obama hadn't gone on the campaign trail for Hillary, it would've been a little easier to overlook his involvement. But given his public and unprecedented support of a candidate (everyone knew she was a very weak candidate - but it was "her turn" heheh), there is no denying these actions were criminal and supported by the highest level of government.

Once again, EVEN JUST ONE instance of an enshrined/written-in-stone Constitutional RIGHT is absolutely intolerable and is an act against EVERY SINGLE LAST Citizen.

It is disgusting you support these lawless criminals, but your statements (like most of you people's statements) eventually betrayed your true intentions. Let this be a lesson to you, silly: the truth will always out, no matter how many corrupt criminals try to bury it. Whether it is leakers going to WikiLeaks, independent investigations exposing corruption or anything in between, that truth wants to be known and WILL be known.

Your preferred type of government can't survive in an open and transparent (forced transparency, via leakers) society that is held to legal standards under our blessed and very literal Constitution.

You've been thoroughly debunked, and it is important people reading this thread for the first time know that.

a reply to: Sillyolme


What facts are you trying to spin? You admitted the unsubstantiated document created by the DNC to politically attack their opposition was used to violate the Constitutional rights of an American CITIZEN. Not even ONE instance of this is even close to acceptable.

This is wholly unacceptable, and rises to a level of criminality we haven't seen since even before Nixon.

Way down.

Sounds like it is time for a grand jury to be impaneled for crimes involving the highest level of ex-government figures (Obama, Clinton, Rice, Wasserman, etc).

a reply to: JBurns

I see JW has a new release on the dossier

Hannity is at it again. Tick Tock points to Obama this time. Nov. 2nd reveal apparently.



Link to Hannity Tweet

Here’s what makes sense to me...

We’ve seen that when Trump knows cameras are rolling and when he knows he has a mic, he’ll talk about sexual assault, grabbing pussy, abusing his power by walking in on girls in the dressing room, and he’ll casually engage in dialogue sexualizing kids and even his own daughters. That’s him when cameras are rolling!

So if that’s where he goes when he KNOWS he’s being recorded — it only makes sense that when he is not being recorded he amps it up to hookers and golden showers. That makes sense and 3 sources confirm it in the dossier.

I don’t think that’s what makes the dossier most serious. It’s probably MOST serious because it’s the first time a candidate became president by surrounding himself with secret foreign agents conspiring with a foreign power to undermine our democracy.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Very nice. Glad to see they are involved in this!

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
Hannity is at it again. Tick Tock points to Obama this time. Nov. 2nd reveal apparently.

Link to Hannity Tweet

Will be interesting to see what this is! Thanks for sharing this, hadn't seen this one yet

a reply to: thepixelpusher

Today is the day then. *yawn*

a reply to: DJW001

Yawn no more! Tock, tock, Boom!

"It now appears that despite pledges to the contrary, U.S. uranium made its way overseas as a part of the Uranium One deal," Grassley said in the statement. "What’s more disturbing, those transactions were apparently made possible by various Obama Administration agencies while the Democrat-controlled Congress turned a blind eye.

Uranium One deal led to some exports to Europe, memos show

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: DJW001

Yawn no more! Tock, tock, Boom!

"It now appears that despite pledges to the contrary, U.S. uranium made its way overseas as a part of the Uranium One deal," Grassley said in the statement. "What’s more disturbing, those transactions were apparently made possible by various Obama Administration agencies while the Democrat-controlled Congress turned a blind eye.

Uranium One deal led to some exports to Europe, memos show

It was perfectly legal to transport yellowcake to Canada, since that is not offshore. The question is whether the yellowcake sent to Europe originated in US mines or Canadian mines. This bombshell is a major dud.

a reply to: DJW001

...transport yellowcake to Canada...

Which was but a stopping point in a longer journey:

Later, the Obama administration approved some of that uranium going all the way to Europe, government documents show.

NRC officials said they could not disclose the total amount of uranium that Uranium One exported because the information is proprietary. They did, however, say that the shipments only lasted from 2012 to 2014 and that they are unaware of any exports since then.

NRC officials told The Hill that Uranium One exports flowed from Wyoming to Canada and on to Europe between 2012 and 2014, and the approval involved a process with multiple agencies.

Source is OP article linked in the post to which you were responding.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: DJW001

...transport yellowcake to Canada...

Which was but a stopping point in a longer journey:

Later, the Obama administration approved some of that uranium going all the way to Europe, government documents show.

NRC officials said they could not disclose the total amount of uranium that Uranium One exported because the information is proprietary. They did, however, say that the shipments only lasted from 2012 to 2014 and that they are unaware of any exports since then.

NRC officials told The Hill that Uranium One exports flowed from Wyoming to Canada and on to Europe between 2012 and 2014, and the approval involved a process with multiple agencies.

Source is OP article linked in the post to which you were responding.

The yellowcake was not physically transported out of Canada, it was transfered on paper. The yellowcake that arrived at the final destination came from mines elsewhere:

“None of the US U308 product produced to date has been sold to non-US customers except for approximately 25% which was sold via book transfer at the conversion facilities to customers from Western Europe and Asia," executive Martha Wickers said. “Any physical export of the product from conversion facilities to non-US destinations is under the control of such customers and subject to NRC regulation.”

thehill.com...

Epic nothingburger to distract from the Mueller investigation.

So just an update.

The memo suggests that McCabe has admitted that without the dossier, there would have been no fisa warrant.

If thats true, its damning.

In addition, since the time I made this thread, it seems the story has changed from there is no proof that the dossier was used for a fisa warrant, to well maybe it was, but there was other stuff used too.

If this memo, that was admittedly not fully verified at the time of the fisa warrant was used to spy on people that were in trumps team, aall of the things I outlined in the OP are true, and this is a massive scandal.