NHS May Rent Out Rooms Airbnb Style For After Surgery Patients

Unbelievable!
The NHS England are considering plans to rent out rooms from private homes in order to ease the bed crisis. I can't even begin to start on how this is so very wrong on so many levels. The plan is to free up beds and send patients to recuperate in private homes giving the "landlord" up to £1000 per month rent, and is being piloted in Essex. The scheme has come under fierce criticism and quite rightly so. Members of the public untrained and unqualified looking after post operative patients? This ludicrous scheme is just ripe for abuse of both the system and patients despite the promises of safety checks and food hygiene cheks. Yeah right. Pure madness. So they can afford to pay people £100 a night to look after patients they have a duty to look after, but won't pay for more trained nurses and pay agencies thousands a month for agency nurses instead and are now quite happy to pass patients on to the untrained. I think the NHS should start looking elsewhere at where they are draining NHS funds!

Lost for words
NHS To Rent Out Rooms

And people wonder why we don’t want Government in charge of the US healthcare system.

a reply to: Metallicus

It seems private or Government funded, those at the top as seriously removed from sense and reality

originally posted by: Metallicus
And people wonder why we don’t want Government in charge of the US healthcare system.

Because America has such a good system?

Back on topic, the tories are killing the NHS slowly, death by a thousand cuts.

a reply to: Garmanarnar

Whilst spending money like water on agency nurses and now private landlords. Great system! grrrrr

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Machiavellianism dominates powers structures.

And psychopathy on many other levels, especially in health care.

That's the tru tru.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yeah well its crap crap !
Imagine, you're ill, feeling lousy, just come out of surgery to be told hey get yer gear we're sending you to Mrs Smith's down the road, she's a lovely attic room and does a nice fry up, no medical or nursing experience but you'll only be sleeping anyway

Who's going to check up on these people? Will it mean nurses and doctors doing home visits to these bnb patients? So more expense and taking nurses and doctors away from the places their needed. What if one of these recovering patients has a heart attack or seizure? How long will it add onto the time it takes to get them treatment? mad

Right now the nursing profession is in crisis. I am always work just now but I will return to this thread later as it’s a topic I am quite passionate about

Right now the nursing profession is in crisis. I am always work just now but I will return to this thread later as it’s a topic I am quite passionate about

This is all by design; another way to close the hospitals.
We need to get these Tories out of power.

And notice this is the idea of a private company. Which is getting paid how much by the government I wonder?

I agree, this is all just more of the Tories privitising the NHS. They need to be stopped.

a reply to: Painterz

Yup and again how much of the money theyre paying this company could go towards building more wards/hospitals, employing more nurses & doctors. Makes me so damn mad

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I would say this has quite a bit to do with it.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The number of nurses leaving the Health Service and going abroad for better pay and conditions is at its highest level for ten years. About 5,500 joined the nursing brain drain last year, figures show. One of the most popular destinations is the U.S., where a nurse can earn a starting salary of up to $56,000- around £40,000 at the current exchange rate - and work in a less stressful environment. Perks can include private health insurance, a number of return flights home per year and subsidised rent or mortgage. ,In Britain the starting salary is roughly £15,500, rising to £18,500 after several years' experience

I was wondering if they were thinking of using this for the elderly being stuck in hospital untill they have a place to go to in a care home ect Ive heard reports on how there are so many beds being used while people are ready to be released but have nowhere to be released to. Maybe the idea is for it to be more like a foster care situation for people who are fit for discharge but need support.

originally posted by: Staycurious
I was wondering if they were thinking of using this for the elderly being stuck in hospital untill they have a place to go to in a care home ect Ive heard reports on how there are so many beds being used while people are ready to be released but have nowhere to be released to. Maybe the idea is for it to be more like a foster care situation for people who are fit for discharge but need support.

This is one of the things they are suggesting and in principle it is not a bad idea in an ideal world.

If you have someone who needs long term care awaiting a place in a home but with nowhere to go and stuck in hospital then why not let them stay in a private home to free up space?

There are a lot of older folks out there who's children have grown up and moved out with empty bedrooms.

£100 seems like a lot per day but what does a hospital bed cost and come to that a privar care home?

Our kids are slowly growing up and we will have the space in a few years and my partner has spent many years working in the care industry and has somewhat failing health.

If we could take "foster patients" for 50 quid a day and provide some help and company in the transition period then is that really a bad thing when you think about it?

with the issue of abusing the system and potentially the patient is it really worth the hastle for not a great deal of money? care home are rif with abuse and neglect because the figures involved are substancial.

It already happens every day with foster children and the money is about the same so done right I think it is a good idea.

That said I am in no doubt the system will be abused by the private company but the fault lies in that and not the idea in my opinion.

originally posted by: Garmanarnar

originally posted by: Metallicus
And people wonder why we don’t want Government in charge of the US healthcare system.

Because America has such a good system?

Back on topic, the tories are killing the NHS slowly, death by a thousand cuts.

They're not even trying to kill it slowly anymore - not sure if info is public yet but there's an extra £27Bn cut to the NHS before April '18.

Plans for here (Lancashire , UK) are to close all A & E wards for good under the new health partnerships. People in accidents or emergencies either have to survive until they make it to the nearest A&E wards remaining (Manchester or Lancaster hospital), die, or go to the only private hospital in the county and pay through the nose for private treatment. Problem being the hospital is burried down a maze of country lanes and not on routes that can handle heavy traffic.

a reply to: nonspecific

You raise a valid point about elderly folk having nowhere to go - I have first hand experience in witnessing exactly that.

As first impressions go, it looks like a great idea but one needs to dig a little deeper. Will these places have properly trained staff? Will the beds themselves be sufficient? Think drips, cathetas, raised legs/upper torso, bed rails, wheels...

One other thing concerns me: three microwave meals a day. Microwave. I'm seeing cheap ready meals packed with sugar, salt and fat over nutrition cos, like, money and time and stuff.

Now, if they have proper nursing, proper facilities and all the trappings of hospital care, I could see it working.

Given the state of our country and our aging population added to the money grabbing uncaring government, how do you (and I mean any of us) see this panning out?

Good job it's just in the early stages of assessment. I just hope good judgment prevails.

a reply to: nonspecific
I definitely think it could be a good thing if used in those situations & if the people providing the care were vetted properly, I read about this on sky news earlier & they said there would be strict checks on the people opening their homes. I think if it was truly set up as "foster patients" it could be good, especially for people who have had experience in the care industry such as ex nurses or similar. You hear stories of elderly people being neglected in their hospital beds because there's not enough staff/time/money. Maybe the personal touch of people opening their homes could offer Something even care homes cannot. A lot of elderly don't even have family. Of course you will have people trying to make money off of it & corrupt it, surely it could save money compared to prices of care homes or hospital beds & agency staff though. & would give people the opportunity to earn some extra money doing something they feel passionate about by opening up their homes.

originally posted by: MrCrow
a reply to: nonspecific

You raise a valid point about elderly folk having nowhere to go - I have first hand experience in witnessing exactly that.

As first impressions go, it looks like a great idea but one needs to dig a little deeper. Will these places have properly trained staff? Will the beds themselves be sufficient? Think drips, cathetas, raised legs/upper torso, bed rails, wheels...

One other thing concerns me: three microwave meals a day. Microwave. I'm seeing cheap ready meals packed with sugar, salt and fat over nutrition cos, like, money and time and stuff.

Now, if they have proper nursing, proper facilities and all the trappings of hospital care, I could see it working.

Given the state of our country and our aging population added to the money grabbing uncaring government, how do you (and I mean any of us) see this panning out?

Good job it's just in the early stages of assessment. I just hope goid judgment prevails.

Yes done right it could be a winner but I doubt it will sadly.

Of the £100 it is proposed that half will go to the homeowner and the other half will cover the costs of the scheme so I imagine the food and nurses visiting, setting up the room and specialist beds ect and a percentage to the private company but am not entirely sure what the private company will do other than cut costs and the like to make a profit.

Both myself and my partner work mostly from home and she stopped working in a care home for the elderly because she can no longer lift them in and out of bed all day without causing damage to her body and she gets sad as loved looking after people, she also got depressed at the lack of compassion and care given by a private company and badly treated agency staff.

If we could use the downstairs bedroom and wetroom to provide foster care to patients then between us the £50 a day for sitting around drinking tea and whatnot would make sense on both sides.

The microwave meals would be an issue and I recon we would discreetly feed them with us proper home cooking and give the microwave meals a miss.

a reply to: nonspecific

Kudos to you for that post! Wish there were more folk around like you!

Sadly...