Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: Boadicea
Great, awesome work you have done here!!!

Thank you -- and thank you for appreciating it!

It´s a shame to see how "they"(whoever the puppetmasters are and for whatever reason they did it) can change the reality just with the help of the("their"!) MSM. If the MSM reports are the whole time about only one lone shooter aka Paddock and nothing else, people will just believe the official MSM version of the events and defame even those that were on-site, eyewitnesses at the events, as lunatic conspiracy theorists.

It really is a shame -- a crying shame! Because "they" couldn't do it unless enough people allowed it. I hope -- I pray! -- that is changing. Not only have the authorities and media already discredited themselves with their ever-changing narrative, and unquestioning acceptance of that ever-changing story, but the survivors and eyewitnesses come from all over the world. And they'll tell three friends... and those three friends will tell three friends... and on and on.

I am so very grateful for the courage and integrity of those speaking out loud and proud. Bless each and every one of them.

get health insurance!
it will help your family wen you suddenly die!

the video on youtube "las vegas shooting from different angles *"
with some one shooting the crowd.
I did ever thing to copy the video.
even installed All Firefox video apps.

I had to copy the computer screen to get it.
never had this problem in the past.
video is still up.

a reply to: Boadicea

I am so very grateful for the courage and integrity of those speaking out loud and proud. Bless each and every one of them.

It´s almost impossible to understand that all these informations, eyewitness acounts, police reports etc, can be ignored.

I mean, you found all that in the web, so journalists could too, if they wanted to. It´s even more hard to understand that it seems that there are no journalists left anymore, just "presstitutes".

Where are the investigative journalists? There must be some of them left that are not controlled by TPTB, it can´t be that they control all journalists around the world!

But on the other side, who needs those "journalists" anymore if we have people, investigators like you!!!
Have to rest now, it´s two in the morning in germany. Before i sleep away i will watch some episodes of season 2 of Secrets and Lies. The title of that series would fit perfectly to the whole Las Vegas story(and other events, especially since 9/11)...

Thanks again for your great work, the first i will do in some hours, after waking up, is grab some coffe and follow your thread again!!!

originally posted by: buddha
get health insurance!
it will help your family wen you suddenly die!

LOL! If my family only knew what I was up to they'd probably ban me from ATS for life!!!

the video on youtube "las vegas shooting from different angles *"
with some one shooting the crowd.
I did ever thing to copy the video.
even installed All Firefox video apps.

I had to copy the computer screen to get it.
never had this problem in the past.
video is still up.

I'm not surprised at how difficult it was for you... I ran up against many difficulties tracking down stories. It shouldn't have been so tough.

Do you mean this one? I haven't watched it -- I'm one of those with a faint heart!

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Thank you again -- And sleep well

I have a soft spot for Germany in my heart... my brother was stationed there while serving in the Army, and sent me the most beautiful pictures. He loved it there. He always wanted to return, but cancer got him pretty young, and he never got the chance. So I carry his love for Germany in my heart now.

Great post Boadicea! I appreciate the time you took to put this together, no small task.


Mentioned several times in police scanner audio but not appearing in much video is the location of Giles and Alibaba. According to Rocky Palermo who was shot in the hip the gates on the Las Vegas Blvd side (facing Mandalay Bay) were all closed and locked at 10 pm, right before the shooting. In most videos you can hear everyone being encouraged to run North and East which leads right to the intersections of Giles and Alibaba. I apologize but due to busted keys I can't grab a screenshot. Google map the intersections of Alibaba and Giles and on the corner in street view you will see the Roman Catholic shrine of the most holy redeemer.

Turn to the left and the tall White Hotel is the Tropicana where the SWAT team went in (Supposed SWAT team anyhow), also mentioned by people like Mike Adams and Scott Binsack as a possible location of the shooter as it falls within the same distance as the Mandalay Bay from the concert grounds.
Here's video of the SWAT entry -

Eyewitness corroborates Tropicana shooter also believes a helicopter may have been shooting- vimeo.com...

View from Tropicana day after shooting -
The windows open on the Tropicana giving an excellent view of the concert grounds.

About the most casual group you will ever see under fire:
Smiling? With automatic weapons going off within 100 yards of where you're standing? Death wish party, right?

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Great post Boadicea! I appreciate the time you took to put this together, no small task.

Thank you -- and thank you for all the links you shared in my other thread that helped make this one possible! I linked to one of your comments because it was all so awesome... And, of course, thank you for sharing great links again here. I very much appreciate it!!!

ETA:

To all -- Looking at the maps of the area -- and seeing the proximity of the various casinos, especially the Tropicana and Hooters -- is a HUGE help in understanding how all the different accounts come together.

And also the various other vantage points for shooters from elevated positions: The Tropicana, Hooters, the church right across the street from the venue exits, as well as the tanks at the airport, an apartment building across the street from the southern exits, and the SkyVue towers to the south of the stage.

S & F's for making such a detailed quality thread here! This is one of the best threads I've seen here in a long time.

I read just the basics of your work on this but will get back to it tomorrow.

Without closely examining all the possible accounts as to what really happened I think that there were at least two shooters involved at the Mandalay. With such a variety of guns being used and the gunshots echoing within the valley of casinos, I can only imagine that the panicking masses would think that there is a gunman around every corner in Las Vegas. While one gunman is shooting I see the other calling in false reports of shootings at other casino's to throw the police off from where the actual shooters were.

Otherwise, as we all know what happens when someone yells "fire" in a crowded movie theater, I can imagine the panic of people in the area casinos once someone yells "there's a crazy man in here with a gun". This could easily be accomplished
by those paid off by the gunman/gunmen to account for this.

Whatever the truth may be I don't see it coming out in our lifetimes, however.

a reply to: Boadicea

you.
YOU.
thank you for making this thread and the work you put into it.
the ones who were injured, died and their families deserve to have the REAL truth come out

a reply to: Boadicea

Lots of audio gunshots and clear views of the 32nd floor area at the same time.

But no gun flashes !!

Yet there's plenty of clear views of room lights in the hotel.

Hmmmm.

originally posted by: LookingForABetterLife
S & F's for making such a detailed quality thread here! This is one of the best threads I've seen here in a long time.

Thank you -- I'm so glad it's appreciated!

Without closely examining all the possible accounts as to what really happened I think that there were at least two shooters involved at the Mandalay. With such a variety of guns being used and the gunshots echoing within the valley of casinos, I can only imagine that the panicking masses would think that there is a gunman around every corner in Las Vegas. While one gunman is shooting I see the other calling in false reports of shootings at other casino's to throw the police off from where the actual shooters were.

My thoughts were very much the same at first. But as I continued to track down these survivor/eyewitness accounts, I began to think otherwise. I firmly believe there were other shooters at other casinos. And it wouldn't surprise me to find some phony calls to further spread thin the police presence.

Whatever the truth may be I don't see it coming out in our lifetimes, however.

Forgive me... but I really REALLY hope you're wrong

I know we'll never know the whole truth, but I do believe the authorities and media have so totally overplayed their hand -- not to mention totally and completely screwing up their public narrative -- that this may mark a watershed moment for their lies and deceit. I hope and pray so!

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

you.
YOU.
thank you for making this thread and the work you put into it.
the ones who were injured, died and their families deserve to have the REAL truth come out

Thank you. And I totally agree about the families of the injured and deceased. Too many people hurt... dead... lives changed forever... families torn asunder... children who lost their parent(s). They deserve for the truth to be told.

It's also important to respect and honor the work of those who have spoken up and told their experiences, even knowing what they are up against. Their courage deserves better than they're getting.

So much hurt and pain and trauma... only to be DENIED by our government. Shameful.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Where are the investigative journalists? There must be some of them left that are not controlled by TPTB, it can´t be that they control all journalists around the world!

There might be a few quietly toiling away behind the scenes as we post. But looking at the local Vegas newspaper scene, I'm not optimistic. At this stage, no reporter with any sense is going to alienate the authorities by claiming those authorities are looking in the wrong place or headed in the wrong direction. That means that you will, as we say in Britain, get "sent to Coventry." You'll lose sources, press officers will ignore your requests for comment, calls won't be returned...

I'm leaving TV news out of the equation altogether. IMHO TV isn't a serious medium for investigative journalism, and barely any good for the basic job of reporting news. Too much emphasis on entertainment, and too many advertisers who need to be kept sweet.

Unless a "smoking gun" (perhaps not a metaphorical one!) turns up in this particular case, you can pretty much abandon any idea of a news investigation pr-empting an official one. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine what else would make the news "defy gravity" in their coverage. No pun intended.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea

Lots of audio gunshots and clear views of the 32nd floor area at the same time.
But no gun flashes !!
Yet there's plenty of clear views of room lights in the hotel.
Hmmmm.

Hmmmmm is right! Just like this link with a high resolution photo of the Mandalay Bay taken during the initial gunfire shows:

Las Vegas shooting massacre: Where are the broken windows on 32nd floor?

And thank you for pointing that out! As long as my OP was, there's still so much pertinent information that I forgot to include

a reply to: audubon

That means that you will, as we say in Britain, get "sent to Coventry."

I knew it! At least I wondered if you were from Britain when you spelled my moniker with a "u" instead of an "a". I do hope I'm living up to her brave legacy just a little taking on our version of the empire...

Great job and I concur... it’s “grabbed” me too! In one of the threads I posted a video of Caesar’s and people running from inside the casino to the door of the casino yelling, “Run!” They were screaming and crying and this was about 30 minutes after the concert shooting stopped. a reply to: Boadicea

originally posted by: nicevillegrl
Great job and I concur... it’s “grabbed” me too! In one of the threads I posted a video of Caesar’s and people running from inside the casino to the door of the casino yelling, “Run!” They were screaming and crying and this was about 30 minutes after the concert shooting stopped. a reply to: Boadicea

I think I saw that one too -- or the same thing posted by someone else. At some point, any thinking person has to take a step back and say, "Something's not right here... not everyone is telling the truth." And, unfortunately, it looks like the psychopathic liars are in government and media -- NOT the good people in the casinos telling (and showing) a totally different reality.

aka, when something like this happenens, people are confused.

This happens at all big events like this, but the video is pretty clear. one steady stream of repeating gunfire, silence as it reloads, then the same. 1 shooter.

Now, if you were in the crowd at the time, you would probably think you are being invaded from the damn sky and gunmen are everywhere..panic isn't the greatest time for critical analysis

Its good to show things that can be discussed for further consideration, but initial calls before the situation is locked down is just that..panic talk.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Smiling? With automatic weapons going off within 100 yards of where you're standing? Death wish party, right?

Many people react differently to high levels of anxiety..from bursting out crying, to laughing, etc.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
aka, when something like this happenens, people are confused.

True -- to one extent or another. Most people have no such previous experience by which to judge... but some do, like the military veterans who have testified otherwise. And, of course, when something like this happens, some people lie... including the authorities.

Its good to show things that can be discussed for further consideration, but initial calls before the situation is locked down is just that..panic talk.

If the accounts of multiple shooters were confined to just the concert venue and not other casinos... and if all such accounts were from people with little to no knowledge of gunfire and weaponry... then I would be just as dubious. But there are too many accounts from too many people to blow them off. Especially when the authorities can't get their story straight!