9/11- Something just occurred to me...

Good evening, eastern ATS users. Afternoon to the western coasters, and so on, so forth.

So, I have been, since the middle of 2004, been interested (to say the least) in 9/11. I can remember it plain as day, and how it quite literally DID change everything. This post, isn't -really- about 9/11, but the aftermath...

Let's assume for a minute, that it was Al-Qaeda, and that it really was an attack by extremist muslims.

If so, why has there only been one successful attack on the American heartland that went so well to plan? There were two other attacks world wide, with the 7/7 bombing, and then in spain... But yet;

Every single other attack, where the attacker is in broad daylight, and we can see things happen... It is a knife attack that wounds a few, maybe kills one or two. A bomb (or two?) goes off in Boston, and kills and maims a handful.

These are awful events, and by no means am I belittling them,

But they are not 3000 people killed. They are not multiple plane hijackings, and a PERFECT storm of events leading up to what we saw on 9/11.

Some will say, its because of increased security, like the TSA.

I'd argue, that if it were so, wouldn't we have seen even one supposed terrorist being stopped by the TSA? Well; we haven't. TSA has admittedly stopped bugger all.

So, 16 years, and AQ/ISIS/Islam had the luckiest, best plan to happen in 2000 years as a fluke? Or is Arthur Conan Doyle going to chime in, and tell us,

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

a reply to: Iconic

I've always wondered how such a convicted enemy can't get their supposed cells to save ten thousand each and do some damage.

Many will say increased security and what have you.

Ironically enough mass surveillance isn't credited with stopping any attacks. If anything it's made the scope to wide and unable to find threats of they wanted to.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Any attack that muslim extremists commit, are always the same. Its always something very similar, and very unimaginative. Completely different than what we saw on 9/11. The 9/11 attacks were a different MO, different everything.

It'd be like a serial rapist being looked at as a suspect for a money laundering ring.. It just doesn't make sense.

a reply to: Iconic

So, 16 years, and AQ/ISIS/Islam had the luckiest, best plan to happen in 2000 years as a fluke?

Well planned but not a fluke, Terrorists had been hijacking aircraft for decades prior to 911. It wasn't until 911 however, that we thought a hijacked aircraft would be used as a flying bomb

a reply to: Wreckclues

I say fluke, because of everything that lead to the events unfolding.

For the official story to be true, there was a perfect storm of events. Ranging from the improbable: the air defense force being multiple states away and not being able to respond for HOURS, to the Impossible: physics to be defied, and the first three buildings to ever come down in freefall speed due to an airplane strike (or office fires); and everything in between.

a reply to: Iconic

Also I think it's important to keep in context every attack that has brought Americans to war.

Almost all, if not all, had either prior knowledge or were staged to some extent.

Panama, the sinking of lusitania, some would argue pearl harbor. The Gulf of Tolkien.

Rarely are we just attacked without knowledge. So it would surprise me if an "ex" CIA tactician was able to orchestrate this from a cave.

In that case of a FF or not: Patriot Act, TSA, etc., "Never let a good crisis go to waste" applies as well..

The project for a new American century has succeeded.

a reply to: Iconic

The project for a new American century has succeeded.

Exactly.

I was just about to post that, you beat me to it.

Yes, the Pentagon wanted a war, there is no money in peace. The Rothschild's Central banking cartels, needed a way to get in those counties to gain total control. The last two countries that the Rothschild's do not have control is North Korea, and Iran.

The fact is most wars are Bankers wars funded by both side all working for the same agendas.

Who do you all think our politicians answer to, surely not to We The People.

a reply to: Informer1958

The last two months saw two Rockefellers die..

I'll just say, not many people actually mourned.

Yes of course, extremist muslims also got NORAD to stand down, emptied the vaults of gold in the basements of WTC, flew giant jets perfectly and even got modern skyscrapers to crumble to dust...

I for one look forward to the day it all comes to light...sooner rather than later.

a reply to: SuicideKing33

I've been hoping that the day will come. People are giving up hope, and resorting to just not talking about it anymore. Its a f*ing shame.

Could it be that God and his angels have been thwarting further events of such magnitude, until the proper time? Revelation tells us that the angels are holding back the "four winds" until the appointed time:

After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” - Revelation 7:1-3.

A time is coming that will make all the kings of the earth unite to have one thought to turn upon religion and destroy her utterly and completely. This thought is already in the minds of many people. There will be a trigger that will force them to act as one to give their power to the "beast" the United Nations, and that clawless, toothless beast, will spring into operation to fulfill God's strange work:

“Look among the nations and pay attention! Stare in amazement and be astounded; For something will happen in your days That you will not believe even if it is told to you. - Habakkuk 1:5.

The book Mankind's Salvation Out of World Distress (published 1975) explains what will happen this way:

The symbolic “ten horns’ (the member nations of the world organization for peace and security) will lose their passionate attraction to the harlotrous world empire of false religion and will gore her to death. In fact, the whole symbolic wild beast (now the United Nations) will cease to find satisfaction in their lustful relationship with the “great harlot,” Babylon the Great, and the mouths of the “seven heads” of the scarlet-colored “wild beast” will “eat up her fleshy parts.” To the whole “wild beast” organization, “ten horns” and all, she will become as a worn-out old harlot, no longer desirable for greedy, selfish use. Realistically, under stress of the global crisis, the political rulers, whose nations are members in the United Nations, will become hardheaded in the light of the worsening world conditions. Ignoring all sentimentality, they will be forced to take drastic, heartless action for the preservation of their political institutions and social, economic structure. They will see that the world empire of false religion is an international nuisance and a hindrance to their emergency operations because of the Babylonish religious beliefs, practices and customs.

The many gods and goddesses that Babylon the Great has worshiped will not come to the aid of the world empire of false religion, to save her from action by her former lustful paramours. Her former lovers, the political and military elements, will realize that those deities of Babylon the Great are helpless and have been of no saving powers to them when prayed to by the priests, chaplains, clergymen and religious potentates of the world empire of false religion. Those political and military elements will feel deceived, tricked, fooled and will lose respect for worldly religion. They will not have to turn Communist in order to “hate the harlot,” but will simply turn radical and thus be able to cooperate with “godless Communism” in doing away with the hypocritical religious organization. They will give her the treatment that was meted out to some harlots in ancient times, “completely burn her with fire.”

Do not be fainthearted or afraid about the report to be heard in the land. In one year the report will come, And the next year another report, Of violence in the land and of ruler against ruler. - Jeremiah 51:46.

He will rouse himself as in the valley near Gibʹe·on, That he may do his deed—his strange deed— And that he may carry out his work—his unusual work. Now do not scoff, So that your bonds may not be further tightened, For I have heard from the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, That an extermination has been determined for all the land. - Isiah 28:21, 22.

And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. - Revelation 17:16, 17.

originally posted by: Iconic
Some will say, its because of increased security, like the TSA.
I'd argue, that if it were so, wouldn't we have seen even one supposed terrorist being stopped by the TSA? Well; we haven't. TSA has admittedly stopped bugger all.

The TSA is not likely to discuss their dealings most of the time as a matter of, 'ongoing security measures' or something like that. That makes things hard to gauge.

It's fairly obvious that 9/11 didn't happen exactly as the commission published, or that the NIST report on the twin towers or building 7 is a bit wobbly in places, or that the dancing Israelis role..(lets just call them part of Mossad international), said they were there to witness the event, were never at the top of any agenda, and just got shooed off home..even if they had to know something??
Yet in my mind, those guys danced on the grave of thousands of people for what? know that, and you'll probably know everything.

a reply to: XeloE

(keeping in mind, I do not intend to get into a religious debate

Why would "God" Have to keep anything at bay? wouldn't it be his plan?

For an all controlling God to have to thwart anything, kinda makes him seem like a weak, impotent ruler.

a reply to: Iconic

Or the fact that many of man's wars were faught over religion.

a reply to: smurfy

Knowing what we know now, they were absolutely stoked to have the full support of the United States Armed Forces in Israel again. Another unquestioning supporter of the war against Islamists.

I have a copy of the 9/11 Omission report. It is "shaky" at best. at worst it is a complete, palpable lie. Completely discrediting ideas, and not even looking into others. its a travesty of an "investigation"

originally posted by: Iconic
a reply to: XeloE

(keeping in mind, I do not intend to get into a religious debate

Why would "God" Have to keep anything at bay? wouldn't it be his plan?

For an all controlling God to have to thwart anything, kinda makes him seem like a weak, impotent ruler.

God doesn't plan things. He merely has his goodwill, and whatever he decides upon will come to be.

Why would he have to warn the angels to hold back the four winds of destruction on this old warn out wicked system? Because he has a timetable. And everything will unfold at the proper time. Exactly on time. It will not be too soon, or too late. It will be right on time:

For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late! - Habbukuk 2:3.

He is observing everything, and has everything under control.

The same happened with his son Jesus, while on earth. Many times the people, usually the religious leaders, tried to seize and kill him for his preaching. But each and every time Jesus escaped them because the "appointed time" of his death had not yet arrived.

But when the time did arrive. Jesus no longer resisted, but as a guiltless sheep, he allowed the people to bind him, falsely accuse him, hold a false mock trial, condemn him to death, although he was innocent, and allowed them to lead him to be hung on a torture stake, and endured great suffering and torture, and finally an unjust death, to taste death for every man.

You see, Satan will always try to change the times and seasons Jehovah has placed in their own jurisdiction, but he can't do that.

a reply to: XeloE

With all due respect I don't think that hocus pocus has anything to do with it. I think it is because the real force implicit in the attack got just What they wanted.

originally posted by: Iconic
a reply to: XeloE

With all due respect I don't think that hocus pocus has anything to do with it. I think it is because the real force implicit in the attack got just What they wanted.

That's cool. I respect that as well. Regards.